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GA_
04-17-2004, 09:05 AM
I have decided to stick with the 109G2 and try to learn it good, since i feel that this great plane suits me goodhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

So I have the following questions to you 10G2 pilots out there.

1. How long can the 109G2 runs on full trottel without overheating the engine?
And do you guys just set it on auto on radiator, or set it on 2 etc.

2. How big diffrent on the planes performence beside the gun punchhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif is there when adding to the Gun pods/gondoles?

3. How is the 109G2 as a Jabo/ground attack plane?

4. And whats is the generel tactics for the 109G2 regarding air combat and how it should be flown at its best.

Thx

GA
Commanding Officer
332nd Viking Squadron

email: GA@332viking.no
web: www.332Viking.no (http://www.332Viking.no)

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.
--George Patton--

GA_
04-17-2004, 09:05 AM
I have decided to stick with the 109G2 and try to learn it good, since i feel that this great plane suits me goodhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

So I have the following questions to you 10G2 pilots out there.

1. How long can the 109G2 runs on full trottel without overheating the engine?
And do you guys just set it on auto on radiator, or set it on 2 etc.

2. How big diffrent on the planes performence beside the gun punchhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif is there when adding to the Gun pods/gondoles?

3. How is the 109G2 as a Jabo/ground attack plane?

4. And whats is the generel tactics for the 109G2 regarding air combat and how it should be flown at its best.

Thx

GA
Commanding Officer
332nd Viking Squadron

email: GA@332viking.no
web: www.332Viking.no (http://www.332Viking.no)

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.
--George Patton--

Xnomad
04-17-2004, 09:42 AM
Take off with your radiators fully open and climb to 3000m at full power then throttle back to 99% and go find some action and climb some more if you want. When you have found your target then either put the radiator into auto or closed. If you put it into closed position then try not to exceed 100% throttle very often as you will overheat quite quickly.

If you want to exploit the plane's performance a bit more, then use manual prop pitch when climbing at around 3000 rpm if you are being chased and need to get away, don't use it in the middle of a fight cause you will probably be too busy and cook the engine. Once you get used to it you can use it in dogfights but it's good to put it on a slider and have a button very close at hand to cycle from manual to automatic.

If you use gun pods then don't expect the same performance I don't use them much unless I'm attacking bombers but with the state of the current weapons affectiveness in AEP I would recommend flying a MK 108 equipped plane if you want more fire power.

The G-2 is a capable turner and can mix it up well with many T&B planes just do high or low yo yos to turn with your target don't be afraid to use a little combat flaps to help you get on their six but beware that you don't lose too much speed as you might get bounced and need to make a run for it. The real strengths of the 109 however are climb and speed. You can outdive your contemporary Russian adversaries if you get bounced at 3000m they will break up before they can get you. The Spitfire cannot keep up with you in the horizontal and has trouble climbing with you below 3000m he also can't dive as fast. Etc. The LA 5 can't climb as fast but is faster than you at lower alts. Use IL2 Compare to find out who to B&Z with and who to turn with.

If you are flying online then stick to full realism servers as you'll have a better chance there and a limited plane set that is historically accurate makes it easier for you to know how to fly against the enemy. With an open planeset you will have far too many different types of planes to fight against.

As for gunnery you need to practice this a lot as the spread isn't like those of a P-51 or Spitfire and you need to be accurate. At the moment the 20mm is very weak and you will have to contend with team mates who will shoot at your target because you haven't damaged him enough yet. Also you will get bounced by the enemy while you are busy pumping that LA 5 with enough 20 mm to sink a battle ship, but hopefully this will get fixed in the next patch.

As for the Jabo role it's as good as any 109 I suppose, I don't ground pound at all. Although historically the Fw 190 was the better fighterbomber the 109 has a better view forward when diving at steep angles (this isn't historically correct but that's another story) you will have a limited selection of load outs but I would still use a Fw 190 for ground pounding as it can take much more abuse from AAA and has good speed to get away if it gets surprised. In a 109 AAA will have you for dinner and so will the enemy aircraft because your advantage in the 109 comes with altitude so stay high.

I forgot to add that the 109 climbs best at 250 to 275 Km/h so don't climb too steeply.

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DONB3397
04-17-2004, 10:25 AM
From an old G2 and G6 simmer, I admit to burning out engines and being creamed by slower planes in DFs...more than once. Xnomad's advice, IMO, is spot on in terms of managing these problems. Fly high, pick your fights, hit and run. Only the F-series of 109 was effective as a jabo. When you land, use a low trajectory, manage the sinkrate and flare out just above the runway (low speed stalls are vicious).

Having said all that, the reason I fly these planes has more to do with experiencing a certain slice of WWII history than technical superiority. If you like this plane, read the bios and books of 109 experten. Helmut Lipfert's book, "The War Diary of..." is the best, IMO. Rall's book, Hartmann's autobiography and several of the books on German aces are all worth looking into.

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There is only Winning!

hos8367
04-17-2004, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
Use IL2 Compare to find out who to B&Z with and who to turn with.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What is IL2 Compare and where can I find it?

Xnomad
04-17-2004, 04:02 PM
Here is a link:
http://sturmovik.webzdarma.cz/download/utility/il2c_v23.zip
I hope the owners don't mind me linking this if you do I'm sorry PM me and I'll remove it.

It's a programme that uses graphs to compare the preformance of two planes using the data that FB uses. I've heard that it isn't 100 % accurate but it seems pretty spot on. You can learn a hell of a lot from this little application.

http://www.xnomad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sig.jpg

hos8367
04-17-2004, 04:41 PM
Thank you very much, I've been looking for something like this. Usually the hosts dont mind if you link their home page so here it is:

http://sturmovik.webzdarma.cz/

[This message was edited by hos8367 on Sat April 17 2004 at 03:50 PM.]

HART_dreyer
04-17-2004, 08:42 PM
I believe you can run the 109G2 at 105% for almost an unlimited time with radiators at position 4-open. This of course consumes a lot of fuel, so on big maps I run at 75-90% power instead.

Don't use Gunpods versus fighters. It's purely needed to kill IL2's. Should you still decide to go for the gunpods for the extra firepower you better not turn!

I find the 109G2 to be the best turning aircraft in the 109 series (with maybe the exception of the F series). The 109G2 is virtually useless for B&Z as the armament is simply too weak. Some VVS and the spitfire seem to outmatch the G2 in all respects however, so be carefull trying to fight these without any initial E advantage. However in a turn fight I find it truely effective versus the P-38, P-39/P-63, P-51, P-47 and any VVS aircraft prior to 1942.

But really, as long as you enter the fight with an E advantage you can bring down any plane in the G2.

Here's a recent 109G2 track of mine.

http://www.dreyermachine.com/il2/ntrk/109G2_3kills.ntrk

GA_
04-18-2004, 03:38 AM
SALUTE all and big thx Xnomad for your time to post this info. And the link on the performance looks great.

Thx againhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GA
Commanding Officer
332nd Viking Squadron

email: GA@332viking.no
web: www.332Viking.no (http://www.332Viking.no)

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.
--George Patton--

Nero111
04-18-2004, 05:32 AM
Aahhh the G2 what a great plane.
A few points that I picked up is.
You can run this baby indefinately at 95% throttle with radiators on auto without a problem.
If you want to get full value for money use manual prop pitch but listen very carefully to the engine. Once it starts to whine you only have a split second to correct the error or else she overheats.
I am of the opinion that once any 109 sends out and overheat message ( just see it on the screen no audible engine damage) you lose at least 5-10% of the power right there and then.
I have found no real need to fly the G2 at high throttle settings unless climbing or in a dogfight.
For the most part you can cruse around very fast at 65-80% throttle (less stress on the engine and less manifold pressure). Just use the prop pitch and keep it between 2500-2800rpm.
2500rpm is great and she will fly along nicely as long as your fuel lasts.
Heres a crusing pic
http://qwrety.cc/cruise.jpg
http://qwrety.cc/cruisecontrol.jpg
If you keep the above 2 gauges within their limits you dont have to worry about the rest.
When you apply excess throttle all you do really is put extra pressure on the manifold with little or no gain other than to start pushing up the temperature a lot faster.
My throttle settings on these pics was at around 80%.
Obviousely all this gauge watching flies right out the window when in combat, but it pays to get your aircraft to the combat zone in a good condition and not already on the brink of overheating. That way you will be able to push the G2 over the limits for longer in combat without getting the overheating messages which result in power loss.
Anyways, my 2cents worth of probably useless info hehe.

GA_
04-18-2004, 06:11 AM
Thx Nero111http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GA
Commanding Officer
332nd Viking Squadron

email: GA@332viking.no
web: www.332Viking.no (http://www.332Viking.no)

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.
--George Patton--

HART_dreyer
04-18-2004, 11:43 AM
Er du norsk?

hos8367
04-18-2004, 12:04 PM
I always fly all planes with rads on open with minimal throttle till in combat. I too think get it into the fight in the best possible condition, as cool as possible.

GA_
04-18-2004, 12:16 PM
Ja jeg er Norsk Hart_dreyer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GA
Commanding Officer
332nd Viking Squadron

email: GA@332viking.no
web: www.332Viking.no (http://www.332Viking.no)

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.
--George Patton--