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WildeSau
12-22-2004, 02:16 PM
I am wondering which game is according to the people of this forum the worst WWII combat flight sim produced ever.

From my point of view, there are two games which can share this titel:

Luftwaffe Commander of SSI - a real piece of **** which featured a good number of planes but with awful graphics, a flight model like in Crimson Skies and nothing that can be named a campaing system.

Nations - Fighter Command of Psygnosis - being a little bit better from my point of view but not worth the money too. Carton looking graphics, bad flight model just not feeling right. Better than Luftwaffe Commander because of a not bad manual and some "Wochenschau" videos which were nice.

At least I can say that I have more or less any WWII CFS since MS CFS1 has been released.

What's about you and your worst WWII CFS ever?

WildeSau

CapBackassward
12-22-2004, 02:40 PM
I seem to remember a sequel to Jane's WW 2 Fighters called 'Fighter Squadron' that was a hugh disappointment considering how good Jane's WW 2 Fighters was at the time.

Rick

Fennec_P
12-22-2004, 02:43 PM
Got fighter squadron and hated it. Just totally bizarre and unplayable FM. Planes bounced and bobbed like on springs. Luckily was for the bargain bin, and no big loss.

foxfire1941
12-22-2004, 02:45 PM
World War II Online - This was a real turkey, released before it was finished, I had constant problems with staying connected or even getting into games even after I payed for a monthly subscription and put down $40 to buy the game. Rip Off! Planes lagged all over and flight models stunk.

NORAD_Zooly10
12-22-2004, 03:00 PM
fighter squadron sucked big time, i was hoping for an improved version of ww2f.
~S~
Zooly

Fennec_P
12-22-2004, 03:19 PM
Lol, I trid WWII:OL and managed to kill myself repeatedly on simple takeoffs and landings. Not to mention killing myself with the downright crazy blackout system. Pull 5 Gs, blackout instantly, crash and burn.

Try to take off in the BF110, and succed only in spinning myself like a crazy top (yes, both motors are on :P). Have to fight with the rudder and skid back and forth like mad. Funny how it is so much harder than a real sim.

And damage model... I spray shells at a Hawk 75 from half a kilometer, one shell hits, and it goes down burning. I hit another Hawk from 300m, one hit, it burns and crashes. Was a Flak 38 gunner too, hit a Hawk 75 with one shell, it burns and crashes. I look at my stats; 3 hits and 3 kills. Hawk is not a durable plane I guess...

The two RPM settings on the 109E crack me up to. "Economy" and "performance", I think they call them. Hmm...

Akwar
12-22-2004, 03:37 PM
CFS 2 and 3,

Take one bullet anywhere in your plane and get a message of like 100 things being damaged,The damage model is rediculous in these games the only thing that happens is that as you take damage the control surfaces become more and more unresponsive.A really big POS!

Yes fighter squadron was a really BIG disappointment to,compared to other Janes games(I own most of em)the graphics and flight model were nowhere near the previous Janes greats.

Another bad game I remember was Navy Strike,It had a great command model but the flight sim part stunk.

Maj_Death
12-22-2004, 04:05 PM
CFS series as a whole, I made the mistake of getting the first one and learned my lesson. Never touched the next two and from what I've heard, I didn't miss much. All the others I've had I loved.

Aaron_GT
12-22-2004, 05:25 PM
It was Janes Attack Squadron, and sucked.

Fighter Squadron (SDOE) can be patched into something reasonably decent and is open architecture. I deleted it recently (it had grown to 3.5GB on my disk with all the add ons but I wasn't playing it enough to justify that much space!)

Skycat_2
12-23-2004, 12:16 AM
"Fighter Squadron: Screaming Demons Over Europe" was released the same year as "Jane's WWII Fighters" (1998). FS:SDOE was by Activision while JWWIIF was by Electronic Arts.

"Jane's Attack Squadron" shouldn't count; yes, it was originally going to be published by Electronic Arts as a 'follow-up' to "WWII Fighters" but I think it was under a different design team. The project got cancelled once then revived under EA, but then got axed and should have stayed dead on the shelf. A couple of years later another publisher (XiCat) bought the unfinished code and gave it to a subcontractor programmer (Mad Doc) to patch together as something releasable. "Jane's Attack Squadron" nearly wasn't published by XiCat either, but there was a huge community petition to release the sim anyway.

Considering expectations vs. reality, I'd say that Combat Flight Simulator 3 deserves a nomination as 'the worst.' I like CFS-3, mind you, and there have been some great add-ons for it ... but given its pre-release hype (new terrain engine, campaign system, and the "As Real As It Gets" promotional campaign) the original CFS-3 was a resounding disappointment to many.

I don't know if the flyable aircraft in "Battlefield 1942" count as a 'combat flight sim, but taken as an individual component they make for terrible representations of the real things. Same goes for the Devastator (or whatever it is) in "Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault" that you have to fly and use to strafe a Japanese island base and aircraft carrier.

My ultimate 'worst WWII combat flight sim' is "Secret Weapons Over Normandy," not because it is an arcade shooter without cockpits but because it couldn't stay focused on one theater of operations. I was doing great until the game shifted from Europe to the Pacific and I couldn't beat the Japanese ... I wanted Normandy! I spent three full days trying to beat that level, and then I simply gave up. Other than that, the game was a lot of fun and actually had merit as an 'alternative' to a serious simulation.

Aimosika
12-23-2004, 01:12 AM
Dambusters, C64 and the year was -85 or something http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RAF_Hollywood
12-23-2004, 01:43 AM
I started with "Hellcats Over the Pacific". It was almost cartoonish, but at the time, 1997, it was a lot of fun. Anyone remember this game? It may have been for a Macintosh only.

Chivas
12-23-2004, 01:50 AM
My biggest disappointment was CFS3. I bought CFS1, EAW, and WW2 Fighters all about the same time. Got into CFS1 and had a great time, I was alittle disappointed with CFS2 but it was great fun on-line if you could avoid the cheaters. I thought any CFS game would work properly outa the box...boy was I wrong...CFS3 what a POS...the graphics team was from a grade 3 arts class...FM's and DM's were a joke. Still get mad when I think about it....

Ronin_3ra2004
12-23-2004, 03:37 AM
CFS2/3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

RocketDog
12-23-2004, 04:43 AM
The one with the highest ratio of expectation to grim reality has to be CFS3. It remains the only game I have ever taken back to the shop for a refund.

Regards,

Rocketdog.

Billy_BigBoy
12-23-2004, 04:45 AM
I can remember a realy terrible sim for the MSX back in the 80's involving a Mosquito.
Forgot the name, the look and the goal. I only remember you couldn't role the "plane".
I did a quick search on the web but it seams all the traces have been removed...

John_Stag
12-23-2004, 05:29 AM
CFS1: Whoever designed the models of the stock spitfire and hurricane needed beating with his own white stick. Considering the beauty of the freeware models which came later, it was patently obvious that this jerk had done zero research whatsoever. I quite liked the terrain, pity about just about everything else.

CFS2 I kind of liked; if the same modeller as CFS1 was involved, somebody must have got him a guide dog, or something. Terrain was a step back from #1, and the damage modeling was dire. But for all that, it had something; holds the record for my longest sortie; Henderson to Rabaul and back in a PBY "Black Cat". It had something, but not enough.

CFS3: I thought swearing wasn't allowed?

sapre
12-23-2004, 06:32 AM
Luckily only WWII combat flight sim I played is EAW, B17II and IL2/FB/AEP/PF so I never had a worst one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VMF223_Smitty
12-23-2004, 06:43 AM
Although it is an "Arcade Flight Sim" Secret Weapons Over Normandy gets my vote for the worst flight sim.

Has anyone played the X-Box version and if so, is it any better ?

han freak solo
12-23-2004, 06:59 AM
My play list was/is....
CFSI, CFSII, CFSIII, EAW, B-17 the Mighty 8th, Mig Alley, IL2, IL2 FB/AEP, and PF.

The loser= Tie: B-17 TM8 and CFSIII.

Zarathael
12-23-2004, 08:53 AM
With me it would have to be a tie between EAW, and Falcon 4.

I realize EAW had a huge following, and I could see that there was a lot of detail in the game, but for some reason, I just didn't like it...at all, but I'll admit I never really defined what rubbed me the wrong way about it.

Falcon 4 has become since it's first release a VERY good sim, but for those of us who bought it when it was first released.... I don't think I need to re-hash the details, I think we've nearly all been there.

Krt_Bong
12-23-2004, 10:02 AM
Fighter squadron : Screamin' Demons over Europe an Activision title is/was a decent sim for its time as was said earlier it was patched to the point of being playable but now only holds a fond memory as it has been surpassed by other titles and "Secret Weapons" can hardly even be classified as a Simulation like the similar WW1 title Wings of War it is at best an Arcade shooter.

cueceleches
12-23-2004, 10:15 AM
I find B17 TM8 a really good sim. I never played as a fighter, as it wasn´t the purpose of this game, and found the FM rather queer. But the B17 was greatly done, the cockpit was not bad at all, with many systems represented, and switching gunner positions was very fun!
On the other hand, the terrain and features were graphically good at the time, and mastering the Nordern bombsight at full real was a true challenge. Flak was scary when over German cities, and attacks from swarms of enemy fighters was quite realistic too...Na! I would even say that B17 TM8 was one of the sims I enjoyed most of all since I got my first FS3.

Kootenai
12-23-2004, 10:34 AM
Billy,
Is Ace of Aces the game you're thinking of? I had it for my Commodore 64. I just looked it up and had a little nostalgia rush. It's funny comparing my memories of it (I was in high school at the time) with how it looks now. I remember it as having great graphics (eye candy) compared to other games but that the play was lacking in depth. Amazing how much a young imagination can do to fill in the blanks. have a look:

http://www.lemon64.com/index2.php?mainurl=http%3A//www.lemon64.com/reviews/view.php%3Fid%3D313

Chuck_Older
12-23-2004, 10:37 AM
When it was released, Luftwaffe Commander was pretty good. You had to 'qualify' to be a pilot and it was a pretty immersive game

FRAGAL
12-23-2004, 11:38 AM
got to be Janes attack Squadron for me, played for about 2 days then i just got fed up with it flogged it on a car boot sale the next day

CRSutton
12-23-2004, 01:35 PM
Never could get MIG Alley to work worth a dang. Played it about a day and never played it again.

Kootenai
12-23-2004, 01:48 PM
I never got Mig Alley to work either, on two different computers. I think the first machine was too old and the second was too new. I never got it to the point where I could actually fly.

XyZspineZyX
12-23-2004, 02:01 PM
Quite clearly THIS (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2697196&cat=104605&type=5&dept=4171&path=0%3A4171%3A104591%3A104605) is the worst WW2 sim ever.

Billy_BigBoy
12-23-2004, 02:01 PM
Kootenai, about Ace od Aces, you're probably right. I flew the sim only a couple of times.
Mig Alley on the other hand was a sim I really loved. Good graphics, good FM, and I scary sound when you pulled to hard on the stick.

Chuck_Older
12-23-2004, 02:09 PM
Ace of Aces was hardly a sim. If AoA was a sim, so was the C64 "Blue Max" game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

DuxCorvan
12-23-2004, 02:19 PM
"Heroes of the 357th".

It was bad even for its time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

smatchimo
12-23-2004, 02:24 PM
OMG C64 games , and I actually remember playing. Blue max was great, but the biggest crack up is dambusters, holy hell im old.

-Cheers

Hawggy
12-23-2004, 02:31 PM
Blue Max was the first experience I've had with flying under bridges (Good to know you can do that in FB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif). Got considerably harder the farther along you got, and the damage you could get was awesome - even the flak. No, BM was groovy stuff, no matter how old! The weakest flight sim for C64 was B1 bomber - it was text based! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Jane's Attack Squadron gets the worst rating IMHO - Didn't even have a real European map! Secret Weapons Over Normandy gets the silver.

Chuck_Older
12-23-2004, 02:37 PM
I remember waiting 15 minutes or so to load Blue Max from the casette http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Everytime I think PF takes a long time to load, I remember tape casette games

Hawggy
12-23-2004, 02:39 PM
Load "*" ,8
PRESS PLAY ON TAPE

I liked the Fastload cart! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Mjollnir111675
12-23-2004, 02:47 PM
B-17 fer the Intellivision with the intellivoice add-on!! J/K I really loved that game when I was younger!!

But the worst sims are the ones that dont get made!!!!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/873935/aVENGE.jpg
"So,if we DO git torp planes who is gonna model tha torps themselves? And tha fleet?"

Chuck_Older
12-23-2004, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawggy:
Load "*" ,8
PRESS PLAY ON TAPE

I liked the Fastload cart! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Revolter_
12-23-2004, 03:19 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
I agree with John_Stag... CFS1 is the all time pathetic losing Flite Sim ever ! I was totally embaressed by it. Beaten with his own white stick...NO... A Labotamy....YES !!!!

Revolution ! ! !

Stiglr
12-23-2004, 03:20 PM
Several years back, in the mid '90s, there was a Macintosh title called "Out of the Sun"; it attempted to be a survey of the entire war, with Europe, Pacific and East front planes and scenarios.

But the FM had to be twice better than it was to be considered arcade. Really rotten.

Jason Bourne
12-23-2004, 04:33 PM
well, considering my only WWII flight sim experience is EAW (which i loved) and the IL2 series, there really hasnt been a worst for me.

Harry_M
12-23-2004, 04:46 PM
I tried the demo for OOTS, but my MacIIci was not up to the task. Very ambitious, very large battlespaces and numbers of planes IIRC. That one was from Domark, of "Flying Nightmares" fame.

sithgod
12-23-2004, 11:20 PM
I really liked Aces of the Pacific. Aces over the pacific. One of the two it was called. I think that was the first game I ever played that had the undercarrage retract and not just vanish. Played the campaigns for ages. Both Jap and Allied. Tons of fun.

I was so looking forward to Aces over Europe but when it came I really disliked it alot. It probobly wasn't the worst sim but it was the one I disliked the most.

Microprose F-15 Eagle game was bad as well. But that was way back on my old Apple IIe lol so I can't really blame it.