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neural_dream
10-04-2005, 04:56 AM
This is the 22nd post in a series of topics on the Revised Aircraft & Cockpit Reference Guide that i am working on. It will contain all planes this time blah blah blah ...
The point is that i need your tips, suggestions and corrections for the easy-to-print aircraft guide that i am working on. To get an idea of what that is you can download the old version (check my sig).
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Focke-Wulf Fw 190A "Anton" (`42-`44)
Designed by Kurt Tank to complement the BF 109, the FW 190 was by far the most advanced fighter aircraft in the world when it entered service in autumn 1941. The deliveries of the A-4 began in the summer of 1942. The A-5 overcome the overheating problems of the previous variants by relocating the engine 15cm forward. It was used among other roles as ground attack, night fighter, torpedo-bomber and interceptor. The next variant, introduced in June 1943, the A-6 had lighter wing structure and slightly improved armament. The final major version of the A series was the A-8 which had increased internal fuel capacity, improved armament and better pilot protection. The A-9 version had the same airframe but new engine and a few minor additions over the A-8. Also based on the A-8 was the F-8, which was fitted with four bomb racks. The total production number was about 20000 units of all FW 190 variants.
A-4: Maximum Speed: 540km/h at sea level and 640km/h at 6000m.
A-5,6: Maximum Speed: 570km/h at sea level and 675km/h at 6200m.
A-8: Maximum Speed: 580km/h at sea level and 665km/h at 6000m.
A-9: Maximum Speed: 585km/h at sea level and 685km/h at 6000m.
F-8: Maximum Speed: 565km/h at sea level and 645km/h at 5200m.
Tips:
¦ The FW190s excel in Boom&Zoom tactics. Fly high, spot a target, dive, quick burst, and up again. In diving abilities they are equal to the P-47s.
¦ Do not stay in a dogfight for long. Every manoeuvre will bleed energy and you'll quickly lose the upper hand.
¦ The strongest point of the FW190s is probably the armament. Very effective guns and lots of ammo.
¦ The roll rate is impressive. Use it to quickly change direction or for rolling scissors.
¦ The FW190s are very difficult to down. They can take more hits than most other planes of the era.
¦ The fuel control and propeller pitch control are automatic.
¦ The cockpit layout is superb, and the cockpit visibility is not bad either.
¦ In-game the A-4 variant does not feature any boost system. All the rest have the "Erhoehte Entleistung" boost system.
¦ Use of the boost in the F-8 is prohibited at altitude higher than 1000m.
¦ These are not planes for the novice; mistakes cost.
Armament:
FW190A-4,5: nose - 2x7.92mm MG17 (1000rpg/66sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (250rpg/22sec),
outer wings - 2x20mm MG FF/M (60rpg/7sec).
FW190A-6: nose - 2x7.92mm MG17 (1000rpg/66sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (250rpg/22sec),
outer wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (125rpg/10sec).
FW190A-8,9: nose - 2x13mm MG131 (400rpg/28sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG151/20E (250rpg/22sec),
outer wings - 2x20mm MG151/20E (125rpg/10sec), gunpods - 2x20mm dual MG151/20E (145rpg/12sec),
gunpods - 2x30mm MK103 (35rpg/5sec), gunpods - 2x30mm MK108 (35rpg/4sec).
FW190F-8: nose - 2x13mm MG131 (400rpg/29sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (200rpg/17sec).
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Focke-Wulf Fw 190D "Dora" (`44,`45)
Known as the "Dora 9" or "long-nose 190", the FW 190D-9 was designed as a high-altitude interceptor. To increase its maximum speed it was equipped with the MW50 water-methanol injection system in January 1945.
Maximum Speed (FW190D-9): 600km/h at sea level and 715km/h at 5900m.
Climb to 5200m in 5.6min. Service Ceiling 11000m. Range 837m.
Tips:
¦ The FW190D-9 of '45 features an MW50 boost. Refer to the BF109K4 for details on its use.
¦ The D series aircraft perform much better at high altitudes. <span class="ev_code_GREEN">[improved]</span>
Armament:
FW190D-9: nose - 2x13mm MG131 (750rpg/54sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (250rpg/22sec).
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Focke-Wulf Ta 152 (`45)
Derived by the Fw 190D series, the Ta 152 was designed for even better high altitude performance. It featured high aspect ratio long-span wings, MW50 boost system and an engine-mounted 30mm Mk108 cannon along with another twcannon in the wing roots. The only production version was the Ta152H-1s with about 190 units built in total.
Maximum Speed (TA152H-1): 560km/h at sea level and 750km/h at 9000m. Climb to 9200m in less than 12min. Service Ceiling 14800m. Range 1200m.
Tips:
¦ The Ta152 excels as a high altitude interceptor. Don't use it at low altitudes; the difference in performance is huge.
Armament:
TA152H-1: engine - 1x30mm MK108 (90rpg/9sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (175rpg/15sec).
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neural_dream
10-04-2005, 04:58 AM
I would greatly appreciate any D9 and Ta152-specific tips. Anyone?


The previous posts:
21. Val, Betty: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/5861042363
20. J8A, Hurricane: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/4761042363
19. Mustang, Corsair, Shooting Star: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/8031037063
18. P-38, SBD: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/5701037953
17. MiG-3, TB-3: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/6221062953
16. A-20G, B-25J: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/6491088853
15. LaGG-3, Bi-1: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/3521095753
14. Zero: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/6931052753
13. Buffalo, Wildcat, Hellcat: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/6401059653
12. Sturmovik: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/8461065653
11. Beaufighter: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/8461022653
10. Me262,163,He162,Go229: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/5111042653
9. P11c, IAR80,81: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=2...801042653
8. P40, P39, P63: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m...341014153
7. Bf109, Bf110: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/5031062053
6. Ki84, Ki100: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/9451054943
5. I16, I153, I185: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/2921071943
4. Stukas,He111: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/3011097843
3. La5,La7: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/9311023843
2. CR42,G50: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/5971000843
1. Ki43,61: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/7311047743

==only 3 types to go==
spitfire, P47, Yaks

lbhskier37
10-04-2005, 09:23 AM
About the D series, you list that it wasn't designed as a fighter? It is an excellent fighter. Also you list the only difference between the 1944 and 1945 model is the MW-50, but the 1944 model used C3 fuel and the 1945 used B4 fuel. The MW-50 was needed to get the boost levels of the engine up to what it previously was running C3 fuel.

neural_dream
10-04-2005, 05:27 PM
thanks for the corrections http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I would be grateful for some dora-specific or ta152-specific tips.

For example how different do you fly the Dora compared to the Anton?

VW-IceFire
10-04-2005, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
thanks for the corrections http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I would be grateful for some dora-specific or ta152-specific tips.

For example how different do you fly the Dora compared to the Anton?
Not much different...the real advantage lies in experience pilots of the series will find themselves getting a bit of a better turn out of the plane and can ride the stalls a bit better by powering their way through the turn.

But really you fly it the same way...just with slightly more extreme moves possible thanks to an excess of power not available with the earlier versions.

In my mind, the A-4 through A-6 comprise one style, the A-8 and A-9 are another style (because of the weight mostly), and the D-9 and Ta-152H get their own separate styles.

WOLFMondo
10-05-2005, 12:51 AM
The A6 has a very similar break up speed to the later A's though. Its lighter but in its correct time frame its one of the best BnZ planes and its RoC is pretty good at a shallow angle.

IL2-chuter
10-05-2005, 02:02 AM
"It may sound fantastic, but I flew a 'lying eight' over our home base at Stendal within the field's boundaries. This would have been impossible in the Fw190. During a training flight I dived the Ta152 from 7000m (23000ft) to about 1000kph (620mph) - more I didn't dare! I recovered from the dive in 600m (2000ft) using the electric trim and - without touching the throttle - climbed to 7000m again. Result: black out from the last third of the dive to nearly 7000m. but my Ta152 flew undisturbed "like a plank' - it was intoxicating." Feldwebel Rudi Driebe, 10.Staffel, III./JG301

"Takeoff was incredible when you shoved the throttle clear forward. The field at Luckau (Alteno), where I flew, was 600m (2000ft) long. The plane took off, and I mean really took off, in 300 to 400m (1000 to 1300ft)! I had never before seen such a thing, and above anything I had experienced in any other aircraft was its incredible maneuverability. It was known that even the Fw190 would buffet very easily on the verge of spinning out in a dogfight if you pulled too hard. But we noticed in the Ta152 that you could practically twist it around its tail. The thing really went 'round. Though others experienced aileron snatching, I managed this seemingly impossible turning radius without any problem at all in the ailerons." Leutnant Hagedorn, 9.Staffel III./JG301

Serial number assignments:
110001-110026 (all versuchs aircraft. Except for first five, built to H-0 standard at Sarau)
150001-150037 (H-1 standard built at Cottbus, first five reassigned to previous block)
150160-150168 (H-1 standard built at Cottbus)

72 numbers assigned, 67 aircraft built. Versuchs H-0: 21, Versuchs H-1: 5, Production H-1: 41

(Weight of full-up ammo: 280 lbs)

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neural_dream
10-05-2005, 10:59 AM
Thanks. That's useful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif. Was the dora so capable too, or only the ta152?

Kocur_
10-05-2005, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by lbhskier37:
About the D series, you list that it wasn't designed as a fighter? It is an excellent fighter. Also you list the only difference between the 1944 and 1945 model is the MW-50, but the 1944 model used C3 fuel and the 1945 used B4 fuel. The MW-50 was needed to get the boost levels of the engine up to what it previously was running C3 fuel.

Are you entirely sure of that? I ask bacause I always read that Jumo213 without MW50 but with command unit tweaked, t/o power was 1900ps, while Jumo213 with MW50 - 2100ps (or even 2240ps). That would indicate both versions ran on B4, and MW50 made it possible to run at higher ata.


Btw: making D9 with MW50 a "1945" plane means incoherency in labelling of planes in the game, since first D9 with MW50 was No 210002 flown first on 18 september 1944 i.e the very second Dora produced. The second D9/MW50 was No 210043.

neural_dream
10-05-2005, 03:59 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Always impressive with your knowledge of details Kocur http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif. There are many labelling inconcistencies in this game; i'm trying to achieve some balance between historical accuracy and writing a compact game-specific guide http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif.

Kocur_
10-05-2005, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Always impressive with your knowledge of details Kocur http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif. There are many labelling inconcistencies in this game; i'm trying to achieve some balance between historical accuracy and writing a compact game-specific guide http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif.

Sorry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

(this one is unique: afaik the only case of labelling a plane too late http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif)

IL2-chuter
10-06-2005, 12:58 AM
Engine situation for 190D was maybe same as for 109, in that whatever was available went in. MW50 was on early D-9s (as noted) and worked as well for C3 fueled planes as B4 fueled planes. 1945 (and late '44 even) is not a good time to try and nail down poduction standards of anything German.

The game is what it is . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Grunherzjager
10-06-2005, 05:10 AM
Maximum Speed (FW190D-9): 600km/h at sea level and 715km/h at 5900m.

Guys, it´s possible to reach 715 km/h (level flight/true airspeed) in 4.01?

IL2-chuter
10-07-2005, 02:19 AM
True airspeed won't show up on the gauge or speedbar. You'll have to work it out.

nakamura_kenji
10-07-2005, 02:44 AM
it show up in wonder women only reason use that view

Grunherzjager
10-07-2005, 04:50 AM
I know how to read the true airspeed in game, what i´m asking, is if we can get historical values with D-9, because sometimes I read people saying that it is slower than it was in real life.

Levon1981
10-09-2005, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
This is the 22nd post in a series of topics on the Revised Aircraft & Cockpit Reference Guide that i am working on. It will contain all planes this time blah blah blah ...
The point is that i need your tips, suggestions and corrections for the easy-to-print aircraft guide that i am working on. To get an idea of what that is you can download the old version (check my sig).
---------------------------------------------
Focke-Wulf Fw 190A "Anton" (`42-`44)
Designed by Kurt Tank to complement the BF 109, the FW 190 was by far the most advanced fighter aircraft in the world when it entered service in autumn 1941. The deliveries of the A-4 began in the summer of 1942. The A-5 overcome the overheating problems of the previous variants by relocating the engine 15cm forward. It was used among other roles as ground attack, night fighter, torpedo-bomber and interceptor. The next variant, introduced in June 1943, the A-6 had lighter wing structure and slightly improved armament. The final major version of the A series was the A-8 which had increased internal fuel capacity, improved armament and better pilot protection. The A-9 version had the same airframe but new engine and a few minor additions over the A-8. Also based on the A-8 was the F-8, which was fitted with four bomb racks. The total production number was about 20000 units of all FW 190 variants.
A-4: Maximum Speed: 540km/h at sea level and 640km/h at 6000m.
A-5,6: Maximum Speed: 570km/h at sea level and 675km/h at 6200m.
A-8: Maximum Speed: 580km/h at sea level and 665km/h at 6000m.
A-9: Maximum Speed: 585km/h at sea level and 685km/h at 6000m.
F-8: Maximum Speed: 565km/h at sea level and 645km/h at 5200m.
Tips:
¦ The FW190s excel in Boom&Zoom tactics. Fly high, spot a target, dive, quick burst, and up again. In diving abilities they are equal to the P-47s.
¦ Do not stay in a dogfight for long. Every manoeuvre will bleed energy and you'll quickly lose the upper hand.
¦ The strongest point of the FW190s is probably the armament. Very effective guns and lots of ammo.
¦ The roll rate is impressive. Use it to quickly change direction or for rolling scissors.
¦ The FW190s are very difficult to down. They can take more hits than most other planes of the era.
¦ The fuel control and propeller pitch control are automatic.
¦ The cockpit layout is superb, and the cockpit visibility is not bad either.
¦ In-game the A-4 variant does not feature any boost system. All the rest have the "Erhoehte Entleistung" boost system.
¦ Use of the boost in the F-8 is prohibited at altitude higher than 1000m.
¦ These are not planes for the novice; mistakes cost.
Armament:
FW190A-4,5: nose - 2x7.92mm MG17 (1000rpg/66sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (250rpg/22sec),
outer wings - 2x20mm MG FF/M (60rpg/7sec).
FW190A-6: nose - 2x7.92mm MG17 (1000rpg/66sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (250rpg/22sec),
outer wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (125rpg/10sec).
FW190A-8,9: nose - 2x13mm MG131 (400rpg/28sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG151/20E (250rpg/22sec),
outer wings - 2x20mm MG151/20E (125rpg/10sec), gunpods - 2x20mm dual MG151/20E (145rpg/12sec),
gunpods - 2x30mm MK103 (35rpg/5sec), gunpods - 2x30mm MK108 (35rpg/4sec).
FW190F-8: nose - 2x13mm MG131 (400rpg/29sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (200rpg/17sec).
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Focke-Wulf Fw 190D "Dora" (`44,`45)
Known as the "Dora 9" or "long-nose 190", the FW 190D-9 was designed as a high-altitude interceptor. To increase its maximum speed it was equipped with the MW50 water-methanol injection system in January 1945.
Maximum Speed (FW190D-9): 600km/h at sea level and 715km/h at 5900m.
Climb to 5200m in 5.6min. Service Ceiling 11000m. Range 837m.
Tips:
¦ The FW190D-9 of '45 features an MW50 boost. Refer to the BF109K4 for details on its use.
¦ The D series aircraft perform much better at high altitudes. <span class="ev_code_GREEN">[improved]</span>
Armament:
FW190D-9: nose - 2x13mm MG131 (750rpg/54sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (250rpg/22sec).
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Focke-Wulf Ta 152 (`45)
Derived by the Fw 190D series, the Ta 152 was designed for even better high altitude performance. It featured high aspect ratio long-span wings, MW50 boost system and an engine-mounted 30mm Mk108 cannon along with another twcannon in the wing roots. The only production version was the Ta152H-1s with about 190 units built in total.
Maximum Speed (TA152H-1): 560km/h at sea level and 750km/h at 9000m. Climb to 9200m in less than 12min. Service Ceiling 14800m. Range 1200m.
Tips:
¦ The Ta152 excels as a high altitude interceptor. Don't use it at low altitudes; the difference in performance is huge.
Armament:
TA152H-1: engine - 1x30mm MK108 (90rpg/9sec), inner wings - 2x20mm MG 151/20E (175rpg/15sec).
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This is all very nice but I must state that the speed and maneuvre characteristics of FW-190A/D in PF and AEP are much higher than they were in real life. First of all let me tell you that all FW-190A/D used either MW-50 or GM-1 (depending on the front where they were used, or tasks that they had to accomplish). The maximum speed of these planes were reached on middle alts (6000-6800 m mainly) with the use of GM-1 only!!! The use of MW-50 was not allowed above 5500 m!!! because it could lead to an engine failure. The same thing refers to Bf-109G/K.
The speed characteristics of FW-190A/D at sea level were the folowing:
FW-190A-4: 540km/h (with MW-50!!!)
FW-190A-5,-6,-8: around 530km/h and around 560-565 km/h (with MW-50!!!)
FW-190A-9: around 550-555km/h and 585 km/h (with MW-50!!!). The later A-9s with outer MG-151/20s removed (in late 1944/early 1945 due to many pilots' requests ), may be, could reach up to 595 km/h (with MW-50).
Talking about FW-190D-9, its speed characteristics are far higher than they realy were. Maybe the Il-2 team considered the characteristics of the non-productional (prototype) FW-190D-9s, that were tested before the serial production. The same thing I can say about La-5FN. In many sources it's written that it could reach 583 km/h at sea level but in reality the serial planes could reach only 546 km/h. Also in many sources it is written that La-7 could reach 612-613 km/h at sea level and 680 km/h at 6000 m, no serially produced La-7 reached more than 592 km/h at sea level and 658 km/h at 6000 m.

Now, coming back to FW-190D-9, it could reach:
around 543-545 km/h and 575(with MW-50) at sea level, 685 km/h and 704km/h(with GM-1) at 6800 m. The serial FW-190D-9s could never reach 600 km/h at the sea level or 715 km/h on middle alts. Even the superb FW-190D-12/R-11( the only version of FW-190D-12 that reached very limited serial production in early March 1945) with its Jumo-213F( 3-stage supercharger, 2060 hp/2560 with MW-50, when Jumo-213A on FW-190D-9 could reach only 1750 hp/2240 hp with MW-50) could reach 615 km/h(with MW-50!!!) at sea level and 727-728 km/h(with GM-1) somewhere at 11000 m. Honestly I'd love to see FW-190D-12/R-11 in the game (with an optional use of MW-50 and GM-1), by the way, unlike the Do-335, it wasn't a "what if plane", it saw a limmited service at the very end of the war, and, as far as I know, a famous ace Walter Krupinski flew some combat missions in this plane.

Now about the armament's rate of fire. It is not totaly corect and I'd like to tell you something about thing about this. In the game many MG's and cannons have a the same rate of fire regardless of synchronized or non-synchronized installation, I would like to make some corections, if you don't mind. First of all, Germans had three types of synchronizers that reduced the rate of fire by 40 %, 20 % and 10 % which were used for MG-17, MG-131 and MG-151/20 respectively. That means that the above mentiioned guns had the following rate of fire:
MG-17: 1000-1100 r/min (600-600 r/min for synchronized version)
MG-131: 900 r/min (720-730 r/min for synchronized version)
MG-151/20: 780 r/min (700 r/min in synchronized version)
Talking about maneuverability, all the FW-190s were comparetively not maneuverable planes, they were for so called "bum & zum" tactics but the AI FW-190s somtimes make fantastics maneuveres on low alts that even Yaks and Las couldn't make. I think that something should be done about all this.

neural_dream
10-10-2005, 10:43 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thx Levon, i'll try and see what i can put in the guide. About the AI, this is a known issue about many, if not all planes. At the moment i 'm in vacation, so i won't post or test anything for one more week.

IL2-chuter
10-11-2005, 02:36 AM
The use of MW-50 was not allowed above 5500 m!!! because it could lead to an engine failure.


Didn't know about engine failure. I know about it being pointless. Water injection (MW50) works only when you can overboost to the point of detonation and beyond, the water injection cools the intake charge to below this point. 5500m or so is getting above the rated altitude of the blowers of these motors so at this point you'd need to inject something like concentrated liquid air instead, maybe something like nitrous oxide . . . WOOHOO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif.

ps. I think neural wants the in game performance rather than RL performance . . . shouldn't be any difference, I know . . . but . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Kocur_
10-11-2005, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by IL2-chuter:
5500m or so is getting above the rated altitude of the blowers of these motors so at this point you'd need to inject something like concentrated liquid air instead, maybe something like nitrous oxide . . . WOOHOO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif.



In fact they tried Bf109 with installation injecting liquid oxygenhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But they found it too risky (perhaps there were also other, technical reasons), and turned for NO2.

Levon! There is lots of confusion about MW50 on Antons, but what emerges from that, is they didnt really use MW50 apart form short period and limited number, but used injecting their fuel, i.e. C3 into one of BMW801 supercharger nozzles, with effect similar, or even better than with MW50.

IL2-chuter
10-11-2005, 10:29 AM
In fact they tried Bf109 with installation injecting liquid oxygen But they found it too risky (perhaps there were also other, technical reasons), and turned for NO2.


Like corrosion, way worse than straight water.

I should also clarify my statement above ("Water injection (MW50) works only when you can overboost . . . "), you do get about a 4% increase in power just activating it. But why would you stop there? And it's a great plug cleaner, it cleans the plugs so well you won't have any left in about 25hrs.

AFJ_Viper
10-14-2005, 06:18 AM
Dora '44/'45
The only real difference between the two aircraft is that the 44 uses a higher octane fuel than the 1945 model. The 44 has a different boost system to the 1945, the 44 boost can be used at all altitudes unlike the 1945 model which carries MW50 which is usefull up to around 6k upwards of that it is largely ineffective and will warm your engine quicker to no great advantage to your speed so switch it off. The 1945 using MW50 however does climb quicker than the 1944 model. The anton is largely a point and shoot aircraft you have to aim at your required deflection shot and hope the enemy flys through it you cant really turn to ajust without loosing large amounts of energy, the dora retains energy a LOT more than the A series so it does allow you to make corrections but is still best suited to boom and zoom. The Dora features a great roll rate but is easy to stall, it will outdive its enemys but on the upclimb not nessacirly out climb them. Speed is gained quicker than almost any other plane on the game so you can out run most enemies with ease. The dora seems least likely to stall when turning to the right most likely due to the fact the prop spins to the right which balances it. Like most 190s the dora has a better turn rate when at speeds exceeding 400kmh but once again BnZ is the aircrafts strong point turn fights shouldnt be gotten into if can be helped.

Ta-152
The Ta is truly a brilliant aircraft it has two boost systems unlike what most posts have told you so far, it has MW50 for low altitude climb rates up to around 6k, once again like most MW50 systems it is innefective above this altitude so switch it off or it will cook your engine. Once above 9k the Ta posseses a second boost system called GM-1 this can be enabled by switching your boost key back on, the GM-1 is a Nitrous Oxide system which gives you a fantastic advantage against any other aircraft above 9. Like the dora the Ta is mostly a BnZ aircraft with its fantastic armament of 1 30mm and 2 20mm's, it is however due to its wingspan a far better turner than the dora but is more likely to flat spin which is hard to recover from. The aircrafts E retention like the dora is preety good so it makes for a fantastic boom and zoom aircraft. Once again the Ta turns better to the left due to the fact the prop spins to the right. Manual prop pitch is advisable where you can not hear the engine revving to its max in a climb using 100% but the Ta usually does a good job by itself of getting the most out of the engine. Once again to get the best handling charecteristics out of the Ta in a dogfight is to be at speeds higher than 350kmh but it is very prone to blackouts, but these are BnZ aircraft so why would you be doing that anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The key two altitude to remember for the boost systems are:
0-6000km : MW50 (Water Methonal)
9000km+ : GM-1 (Nitrous Oxide)

If you are not on these altitude or between them do not use the boost systems.

Gun Convergance:

Dora - MG - 350m - Cannon - 250m
Ta - Cannons/Both - 300m

neural_dream
10-14-2005, 02:39 PM
That's excellent Viper. Thanks a lot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
They went straight into the guide http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.