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arrowtalon
03-29-2007, 11:55 AM
In light of the heavier topics aded today, I propose a FFA of light proportion.

Favorite in-game aircraft and why. Go.

arrowtalon
03-29-2007, 11:58 AM
Ok, I'll go first:

Spitfire Mk VIII or Mk IX 25 lb boost

Why:

It has good overall performance, can turn with the best of them, has cannons, and can fly full tilt for some time before overheating. Oh, and it's fast.

Cons: Tough to land, at least for me. Limited Cannon ammo, no combat flaps

fordfan25
03-29-2007, 12:03 PM
as far as wich aircraft INGAME that i feel is the best to fly and fight in. in warclouds at least its the Tempist.

stathem
03-29-2007, 12:23 PM
Tempest. Just because.

mynameisroland
03-29-2007, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
as far as wich aircraft INGAME that i feel is the best to fly and fight in. in warclouds at least its the <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Tempist</span> .

Tempest, you Tempestuous Twit! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Spitfire vs Tempest would be a cool match up.

p-11.cAce
03-29-2007, 12:41 PM
Tempest is like the Jug - both great planes with a lot of firepower that can absorb tons of damage - but you have to be on your game to fly either of them to their best effect. For me its the Spit 25lbs or the -109k. Both are fun all around aircraft that are on pretty equal footing with anything else.

mynameisroland
03-29-2007, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
Tempest is like the Jug - both great planes with a lot of firepower that can absorb tons of damage - but you have to be on your game to fly either of them to their best effect. For me its the Spit 25lbs or the -109k. Both are fun all around aircraft that are on pretty equal footing with anything else.

The Tempest, P47 and Fw 190 allow you to make kills and rtb much easier than the Spit or Bf 109 do. That is why they get better k/D ratios and are flown by more of the experienced fighter jocks.

JG4_Helofly
03-29-2007, 01:19 PM
FW190 because of its fire power, high speed manoeuvrability and its ability to brake and run for home.

Daiichidoku
03-29-2007, 01:26 PM
whatever plane sparks the "most nationally biased/over/undermodelled" type dicussion

DIRTY-MAC
03-29-2007, 01:39 PM
J2M3 and J2M5, its a pilots dream.

Deedsundone
03-29-2007, 01:53 PM
I´m pretty fond of the 109 series,mostly G2.

They feel good to fly,got nice manouverbility in all axis IMHO.A feel good to fly plane.

AKA_TAGERT
03-29-2007, 01:55 PM
P-38 did all and did it well

PBNA-Boosher
03-29-2007, 02:04 PM
I can't decide between the P-40's or Yaks.

Alaskan_Viking
03-29-2007, 02:23 PM
I only have PF right now, and I've hardly even played that, but I like the P38, its just always been my fav WWII fighter.

Anyone seen that ep. of DOGFIGHTS, on The History channel, About Robin Olds and how he got a kill while his engines were off?

Bremspropeller
03-29-2007, 02:29 PM
Fw 190A-4

Zonama
03-29-2007, 02:30 PM
My idea of a good fight is where I use a light hand on the stick (in dogfights, not too good at ZnB yet) and where the controls aren't too sensitive. The P-38 and P-40 pretty much fit into that for me, both are great to fly, in combat or not.

Davinci..
03-29-2007, 02:49 PM
I'd have to go with the Fw 190 for "in game online", though i "like" to fly the 47 offline for ground pounding.

The 190, is very fast, though, with good guns, and *If* you're willing(and by willing i mean patient http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) enough, to fly it right, it will bring you home more often then not. If you subtract all my non combat related deaths(team mates crashing into me, mid-airs, pilot shootings) I easily have a 8-10k/d ratio in it on a FR server.
It is a phenomenal bnz, hit and run, and even better slashing attacker. You can slash through a swarm of bandits, and leave a cloud of dust behinde you.

waffen-79
03-29-2007, 02:52 PM
Bf-109K-4 C3
Fw-190A-9

general_kalle
03-29-2007, 03:00 PM
this has been up hundreds of times but no matter.

my personal favorite is P39 but of course its only against planes of same year. im not taking it no matter what. i like Dora 9 aswell.

JG52Karaya-X
03-29-2007, 03:10 PM
Any Bf109 for me, I just love them all!

VW-IceFire
03-29-2007, 03:11 PM
Tempest is my absolute favorite. Its my favorite plane regardless of anything else and if we had the Typhoon that'd also be on my list. I like its fearsome looks, sensitive controls, overpowering engine, and incredible firepower. A very well put together airplane.

If I had a second choice it'd hover between FW190D-9 and F4U.

arrowtalon
03-29-2007, 03:22 PM
The Tempest, P47 and Fw 190 allow you to make kills and rtb much easier than the Spit or Bf 109 do. That is why they get better k/D ratios and are flown by more of the experienced fighter jocks.


I've noticed that the K/D ratio for the NIK-2Ja is also really good on some servers. Any theories?

arrowtalon
03-29-2007, 03:23 PM
I shuould also say I like the Spit, because hey, it looks frickin sweet--like a Ferrari of the sky, or something.

Vike
03-29-2007, 04:14 PM
The only propeller fighter able to combine
nose-guns,best-guns,highest ROF considering the caliber for the late models is the Me109.

Add to this a hit ratio about 25% to 50% for each kill when uber enough.
It can handle absolutely every type of target,from the i-16 till the B17.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
Simply awesome.Not even mention its beautiful sharp/k shapes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

@+

R_Target
03-29-2007, 04:15 PM
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/374/meowrg7.jpg

For other current fave, see below.

ploughman
03-29-2007, 04:16 PM
Lots to love, Raiden's a ripping plane too, Spitfire nimble with a great rate of roll.

russ.nl
03-29-2007, 04:22 PM
I like the spitfire a lot. Mk.IX HF. It looks and how it flies and a deadly plane all in all. But I like the P39 too, It is a bit of an underdog but does wel on every front. I like taking on Zero's and 109 in the p39.

CUJO_1970
03-29-2007, 06:59 PM
Without a doubt, the FW190A series.

Fast, tough, good looking - and massive firepower. A true killing machine that teaches you discipline and rewards you like no other plane can.

SirPapps
03-29-2007, 07:08 PM
For sure either the Spitfire VIII/IX (can't really choose in between those, not sure which one's more maneuverable) and the Hawker Tempest Mk. V (series II) which is the a/c we have ingame. I almost know both planes inside out, their climb rates, parts, first flights, etc.

I can't wait till everyone gets their own copies of IL-2: 1946 b/c i MUST fly these planes online! In aces high, the spitfire VIII seems completely sloppy in turning, handling and feels uber heavy in the vertical when compared to the spitIX, but i dont think the Spitfire VIII's extra 180 lbs of weigt should do that much damage to maneuverability. And DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED about the tempest in that horrid game ><

can't turn, roll and everyone only flies it as a running-HO (Head On)attack platform.

Anywho, here's some really great pages to check out: http://www.hawkertempest.se/cutaway.gif
http://user.tninet.se/~qbc513r/sabre.gif (http://user.tninet.se/%7Eqbc513r/sabre.gif)
http://www.hawkertempest.se

Jaws2002
03-29-2007, 10:09 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/Fw-19020-2007-1.jpg


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Bubble top jug next. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

leitmotiv
03-29-2007, 10:34 PM
Bf 109G-6/AS

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/images/petzschler2.jpg

Bremspropeller
03-29-2007, 10:37 PM
I've noticed that the K/D ratio for the NIK-2Ja is also really good on some servers. Any theories?


It's a good plane, hence the kill ratio http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Seriously: the Raiden and Shiden-Kai are real tough opponents for both, Hellcat and Corsair.

arrowtalon
03-29-2007, 11:18 PM
Anyone seen that ep. of DOGFIGHTS, on The History channel, About Robin Olds and how he got a kill while his engines were off?


Love that show.

civildog
03-30-2007, 10:43 PM
Cobra hands down. Mainly because it's so hard to fly really well, and nobody else seems to like it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/civildog/abandon2a.jpg

Monty_Thrud
03-31-2007, 03:39 AM
A Spitfire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_iPrIkr0UM), a Spitfire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTEBsTP2k9Y), my Kingdom for a (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C_2giBGkVI) SPITFIRE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUK6ScAeFKE)


...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnp9wpypZWE)

Xiolablu3
03-31-2007, 04:06 AM
FW190A and Spitfire IX.


However Bf109F4 is the best fighter plane in the world/game in 1941

Brain32
03-31-2007, 04:33 AM
Currently, P51D

Manu-6S
03-31-2007, 05:59 AM
It would be THIS (http://xoomer.alice.it/g55/G55his.htm) but is not modelled in Il2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


The tests began February 20. The German commission, not without a certain surprise, was very impressed by the Italian aircrafts, the G55 in particular. In general, all the Serie 5's were very good at low altitudes, but the G55 was competitive with its German opponents also in term of speed and climb rate at high altitudes still maintaining superior handling characteristics. The definitive evaluation by the German commission was "excellent" for the G55, "good" for the Re2005 and "average" for the MC205. Oberst Petersen defined the G55 "the best fighter in the Axis" and immediately telegraphed his impressions to Goering. After listening the recommendations of Petersen, Milch and Galland, a meeting held by Goering on February 22 voted to produce the G55 in Germany.

Ingame probably A6, D9 and P47...

weaselwagon1
03-31-2007, 06:09 AM
109K

FritzGryphon
03-31-2007, 06:18 AM
P.11c. For the ultimate pilot who needs a sufficient handicap.

Possibly J8A, but it turns too good.

Longpo
03-31-2007, 12:53 PM
P-38, FW-190 and the Tempest.

Do better in the Tempest than I do in the other two online.

Love that bird, fast, sharp controls and nothing lasts long when it gets in the gun sight.

Med-Low alt hit and run attacks, especially around airfields = much fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xiolablu3
03-31-2007, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
It would be THIS (http://xoomer.alice.it/g55/G55his.htm) but is not modelled in Il2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The tests began February 20. The German commission, not without a certain surprise, was very impressed by the Italian aircrafts, the G55 in particular. In general, all the Serie 5's were very good at low altitudes, but the G55 was competitive with its German opponents also in term of speed and climb rate at high altitudes still maintaining superior handling characteristics. The definitive evaluation by the German commission was "excellent" for the G55, "good" for the Re2005 and "average" for the MC205. Oberst Petersen defined the G55 "the best fighter in the Axis" and immediately telegraphed his impressions to Goering. After listening the recommendations of Petersen, Milch and Galland, a meeting held by Goering on February 22 voted to produce the G55 in Germany.

Ingame probably A6, D9 and P47... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Very nice read Manu, thanks!

A Re2005 would be a great addition to the game.

It says on that page only 12 G55's built, but I guess thats 12 more than Lerches!

Manu-6S
03-31-2007, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Very nice read Manu, thanks!

A Re2005 would be a great addition to the game.

It says on that page only 12 G55's built, but I guess thats 12 more than Lerches!

12 before the Armistice; the production made 164 planes in 6 months. In the last year were completed 37 G55 and 73 were under construction.

The production was stopped because Germans ordered to equip ANR with Bf109: after all "Early produced G55's required about 15000 manhours; while there were estimations to reduce the effort to about 9000 manhours, the German factories were able to assemble a Bf109 in only 5000 manhours."

fordfan25
03-31-2007, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
as far as wich aircraft INGAME that i feel is the best to fly and fight in. in warclouds at least its the <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Tempist</span> .

Tempest, you Tempestuous Twit! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Spitfire vs Tempest would be a cool match up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>opps. o well its a brit plain so i feel no need to spell it right lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

fordfan25
03-31-2007, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
P-38 did all and did it well didnt oparate on carriers. Any thing your 38 can do my f4u can do better anything better than your yes it can. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif f4u world beater IRL be sure

Longpo
03-31-2007, 02:03 PM
Can an F4U perform a cloverleaf?

That was a war winner that, up there with the bouncing bomb.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BSS_CUDA
03-31-2007, 02:19 PM
P-38, because it does everything well, and because any and every noob out there flies either a Spit, 109, 190D or LA7. it takes time, dedication and skill to be a consistent successful fighter pilot in a P-38

Manu-6S
03-31-2007, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
P-38, because it does everything well, and because any and every noob out there flies either a Spit, 109, 190D or LA7. it takes time, dedication and skill to be a consistent successful fighter pilot in a P-38

Now Dora is a plane for noobs? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

BSS_CUDA
03-31-2007, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
P-38, because it does everything well, and because any and every noob out there flies either a Spit, 109, 190D or LA7. it takes time, dedication and skill to be a consistent successful fighter pilot in a P-38

Now Dora is a plane for noobs? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
ya it is, pay attention sometime to the people flying it. if its a server that if a WF server count the 190's in there and see what model they are, 90% of the 190's will be Dora's. just like the 109's will either be the G2 or the K, and on the allied side most pilots will fly Spits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif people dont want to fly the tough planes and learn to be good at them. I can respect a dedicated 110 pilot 1000 times more than a Dora pilot, because it takes a true commitment to be good at it, unlike everyone's flavor of the month

LStarosta
03-31-2007, 02:53 PM
P-38 because it has fowler flaps and it can out-turn the 109.

Davinci..
03-31-2007, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
P-38, because it does everything well, and because any and every noob out there flies either a Spit, 109, 190D or LA7. it takes time, dedication and skill to be a consistent successful fighter pilot in a P-38

Now Dora is a plane for noobs? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
ya it is, pay attention sometime to the people flying it. if its a server that if a WF server count the 190's in there and see what model they are, 90% of the 190's will be Dora's. just like the 109's will either be the G2 or the K, and on the allied side most pilots will fly Spits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif people dont want to fly the tough planes and learn to be good at them. I can respect a dedicated 110 pilot 1000 times more than a Dora pilot, because it takes a true commitment to be good at it, unlike everyone's flavor of the month </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Though I generally agree with what you are "trying" to say, I would still have to take the dora out of your list. It might be a "flavor of the month" plane, but if you put a "newb" in a 190d and put him up against a "newb" in a spit or la7, that 190d is going to lose 9 times out of 10 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif So I dont know if you could call it a newb plane. If you put those average spit and la7 pilots (whos tactical skill set hasnt evolved past "bank 90 degrees and pull back on stick") and put them in a 190d, they would fail miserably http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But I still agree with what you are trying to say. "Any and every noob" flys those spits and la7s to get every advantage they can.

Good pilots hop on a server and pick the best possible plane they can, Great pilots dont have to...

Manu-6S
03-31-2007, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
ya it is, pay attention sometime to the people flying it. if its a server that if a WF server count the 190's in there and see what model they are, 90% of the 190's will be Dora's. just like the 109's will either be the G2 or the K, and on the allied side most pilots will fly Spits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif people dont want to fly the tough planes and learn to be good at them. I can respect a dedicated 110 pilot 1000 times more than a Dora pilot, because it takes a true commitment to be good at it, unlike everyone's flavor of the month

In that case I don't say they take Dora to have easy kills, but to survive in that server...

Against Spit9e, P51D and P47D you can only choose a late bf109, but you know, with their overstiffness problem... Or you can take an A6 or A9 too, but above 6000 you are dead meat, and with a P51 above your head you are dead meat twice.

G2, spit and LaX pilots are, IMO, on the other side... against a SpitV you can still survive in a F4, in Afrika there were spits and hurricanes with only 2 cannons, LaX are... ehm... you know...

BSS_CUDA
03-31-2007, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
In that case I don't say they take Dora to have easy kills, but to survive in that server...
thats is the point I was making, run90's are darn near impossible to knock out of the air in a single pass, and if they get into trouble there are few planes faster in level flight or in a dive, plus if they do get guns on someone its usually an instant kill.

to quote one of my favorite movie characters.

"All too easy"
Darth Vader : Return of the Jedi

Clipper_51
03-31-2007, 05:54 PM
http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51pics/military/8thaf/7.jpg

Brain32
03-31-2007, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Clipper_51:
Ahhh yes, a picture is worth a thousand words http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SirPapps
03-31-2007, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
P-38, because it does everything well, and because any and every noob out there flies either a Spit, 109, 190D or LA7. it takes time, dedication and skill to be a consistent successful fighter pilot in a P-38

Now Dora is a plane for noobs? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
ya it is, pay attention sometime to the people flying it. if its a server that if a WF server count the 190's in there and see what model they are, 90% of the 190's will be Dora's. just like the 109's will either be the G2 or the K, and on the allied side most pilots will fly Spits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif people dont want to fly the tough planes and learn to be good at them. I can respect a dedicated 110 pilot 1000 times more than a Dora pilot, because it takes a true commitment to be good at it, unlike everyone's flavor of the month </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

dude, all these planes are 'noob' planes b/c all noobs fly them, BUT just b/c you fly them does NOT mean you're a noob. The P-38 has always been my most respected US fighter, but dont go thinking you're all that or any better than what you define as a noob since any dude flying a PZL and shooting down messerschmitts can brag even more, though they are wiser and shall not do so.

and don't go assuming what's in other people's heads. what if theyre flying it to honor their grand daddy? or if they simply just love the plane? what if they CAN fly the P-38 well but feel like flying the spitfire or lala or 109 better? even so would it matter? we're all here to have fun. no-one's any more better than the next guy, and walking around saying that you are is just plain sad.

BSS_CUDA
03-31-2007, 10:54 PM
Uhm ya might want to try reading a post completely before you respond to it. no where did I say I was better than any one. NO WHERE.
what I said was I respected someone that flew a more difficult airplane and got good with it. and besides that still does not take away the fact that the planes I mentioned are the planes that the Noobs gravitate to. maybe someone does fly it to honor their grandfather. thats what 1 out of 500?

Treetop64
03-31-2007, 11:34 PM
Well, I'm no n00b, and while I like, and fly, many fighters in the game, my fave is the P-38.

She's beautiful to look at from any angle. She's hella fast. Fly and fight with her the way she wants to and she'll damned near grant you invincibility. Besides, it's always cool to fly a twin!

But she's got just that small bit of inperfection. Just enough to give her soul.

Yep. I like many planes in game, but I love the P-38. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Phil_K
04-01-2007, 06:25 AM
1. P-38
2. Tempest
3. P-47
4. F4U

Just like big heavy late war Allied fighters that handle like bricks and pack loads of ordnance

Ratsack
04-01-2007, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
P-38, because it does everything well, and because any and every noob out there flies either a Spit, 109, 190D or LA7. it takes time, dedication and skill to be a consistent successful fighter pilot in a P-38

Now Dora is a plane for noobs? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean it ever wasn't?

Ratsack

Ratsack
04-01-2007, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Davinci..:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
P-38, because it does everything well, and because any and every noob out there flies either a Spit, 109, 190D or LA7. it takes time, dedication and skill to be a consistent successful fighter pilot in a P-38

Now Dora is a plane for noobs? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
ya it is, pay attention sometime to the people flying it. if its a server that if a WF server count the 190's in there and see what model they are, 90% of the 190's will be Dora's. just like the 109's will either be the G2 or the K, and on the allied side most pilots will fly Spits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif people dont want to fly the tough planes and learn to be good at them. I can respect a dedicated 110 pilot 1000 times more than a Dora pilot, because it takes a true commitment to be good at it, unlike everyone's flavor of the month </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Though I generally agree with what you are "trying" to say, I would still have to take the dora out of your list. It might be a "flavor of the month" plane, but if you put a "newb" in a 190d and put him up against a "newb" in a spit or la7, that 190d is going to lose 9 times out of 10 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Disagree.

The Spit shouldn't be able to touch you unless you make a mistake. You have an enormous speed advantage.

The La-7, well it runs out of legs above 2,500 m. Below that, leave if you don't like it.

Ratsack

Brain32
04-01-2007, 06:44 AM
If Dora is a n00b plane, then Tempest,P47,P51, Mustang3 fall in the same category http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I agree that P38 is very though to handle, maybe even a bit thougher than Me109 but less manouverable oposition somwhat evens it out.

Ratsack
04-01-2007, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
If Dora is a n00b plane, then Tempest,P47,P51, Mustang3 fall in the same category http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I agree that P38 is very though to handle, maybe even a bit thougher than Me109 but less manouverable oposition somwhat evens it out.

Oh get a grip, Brain. The Dora spanks them all. If my life depended on it, and it was one on one, I'd pick the Fw 190 D9 over that Allied rabble any day of the week, unless it was over 7,000 m. Then I might consider the P-47. Even then, I'd consider going lower first. Why give up every other advantage just for high alt speed?

The Dora is the best all round late war fighter.

Ratsack

Brain32
04-01-2007, 07:01 AM
This only says YOU can handle Dora better than the other planes I mentioned.
Note that I'm not saying that those planes are better than the Dora, only that they are all in the same class to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ratsack
04-01-2007, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
This only says YOU can handle Dora better than the other planes I mentioned.
Note that I'm not saying that those planes are better than the Dora, only that they are all in the same class to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pah!

Real men fly Antons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

cheers,
Ratsack

stalkervision
04-01-2007, 07:09 AM
The Brewster Buffalo. It will spank anything in the air. During the war with Russia the Finnish Brewsters only suffered 16 losses to the Russian's 489! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

HotelBushranger
04-01-2007, 07:27 AM
I'd have to say P-40 or B-239 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif That spanky little plane dominates.

Also like MC-205, Beaufighter, P-51, Ki-61, and I'm rather handy in a Ki-100 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Jaws2002
04-01-2007, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by Ratsack:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
P-38, because it does everything well, and because any and every noob out there flies either a Spit, 109, 190D or LA7. it takes time, dedication and skill to be a consistent successful fighter pilot in a P-38

Now Dora is a plane for noobs? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean it ever wasn't?

Ratsack </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry but this is heresy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

If you think it was always this easy to fly you probably didn't fly it before 4.04.

Load FB or AEP and go be a hero in Dora.

Some times it was days untill I'd see another dora flying.
Back then only a handful of players flew it and even fewer could fight their way out of a paper bag with it.

I used to fly for days until I'd see another Dora in the air.

I fly Anton for some time now simply because Dora is a bit easy to fly this days.

A fresh noob will still get waxed in it because it turns really bad and this is all a noob will do. Turn.
Also more people fly it because more people are experienced enough to understand it's advantages.
So I wouldn't call it a noob plane but a plane for the average player.

Dora nine is not the exclusive bird it was for most of the life of this game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

GerritJ9
04-01-2007, 10:51 AM
I second the vote for the Buffalo.

Manu-6S
04-01-2007, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
A fresh noob will still get waxed in it because it turns really bad and this is all a noob will do. Turn.
Also more people fly it because more people are experienced enough to understand it's advantages.

Infact, noobs search kills in every way... clearly they STAY in the fight and don't extend (they should call it "escape"); so they turn and turn and obviously Spits and La7 win.

Speaking about "NOOBS" I would say P47D's pilots who fly over 7000m are more noobs than many pilots who fly Doras at 5000m... you know, noobs come from "no-objectives" and there is nothing to escort at 7000m... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

SirPapps
04-01-2007, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
Uhm ya might want to try reading a post completely before you respond to it. no where did I say I was better than any one. NO WHERE.
what I said was I respected someone that flew a more difficult airplane and got good with it. and besides that still does not take away the fact that the planes I mentioned are the planes that the Noobs gravitate to. maybe someone does fly it to honor their grandfather. thats what 1 out of 500?

err you don't have to say things DIRECTLY to mean them. bleh im muddying the forums.. i'll stop now

NSAdonis85
04-01-2007, 05:26 PM
Well, my sig pic about summs it, plus the Bf-109F-4/G-2/G-6AS/K-4, Bf-110, Do-335, Me-262, P-51, Spit Mk.V series, MC-205, B-239 and Gladiator.

Jaws2002
04-01-2007, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:

Speaking about "NOOBS" I would say P47D's pilots who fly over 7000m are more noobs than many pilots who fly Doras at 5000m... you know, noobs come from "no-objectives" and there is nothing to escort at 7000m... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

They are not there to escort nothing.
They are there to bounce you in your Dora at 5000m. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

jensenpark
04-01-2007, 09:13 PM
P40 or P47 for the Allies.

G2 for the Germans

K_Freddie
04-02-2007, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by Ratsack:
Pah!
Real men fly Antons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
cheers,
Ratsack

I'm a real 'men'... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

96th_Nightshifter
04-02-2007, 05:50 AM
Tempest
Spitfire Mk.IXe (standard, none of your clipped or high alt jobs).
Hurricane IIb
FW-190D9

In that order.

mynameisroland
04-02-2007, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by 96th_Nightshifter:
Tempest
Spitfire Mk.IXe (standard, none of your clipped or high alt jobs).
Hurricane IIb
FW-190D9

In that order.

I like your list, Id switch non CW spit for CW Spit VIII and have IIC Hurricane and also add Fw 190 A4 to the list but other than that its perfect http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

rnzoli
04-02-2007, 06:25 AM
I-153, Chaika http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
Excellent turning performance, not so frequent negative G cutouts, can carry small bombs, relatively good visibility among bi-planes, sufficient amount of high-ROF ammo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Manu-6S
04-02-2007, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manu-6S:

Speaking about "NOOBS" I would say P47D's pilots who fly over 7000m are more noobs than many pilots who fly Doras at 5000m... you know, noobs come from "no-objectives" and there is nothing to escort at 7000m... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

They are not there to escort nothing.
They are there to bounce you in your Dora at 5000m. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Infact I'm not saying they are noobs, but more noobs than Doras' pilots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Viper2005_
04-02-2007, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by Ratsack:

Oh get a grip, Brain. The Dora spanks them all. If my life depended on it, and it was one on one, I'd pick the Fw 190 D9 over that Allied rabble any day of the week, unless it was over 7,000 m. Then I might consider the P-47. Even then, I'd consider going lower first. Why give up every other advantage just for high alt speed?

The Dora is the best all round late war fighter.

Ratsack

The +25 Mustang III is faster. If my life depended on it, I'd therefore take the Mustang and show the opposition a clean pair of heels. Of course, if push comes to shove it will also out turn the 190. Shame it's only armed with pea shooters, but you can't have everything, and if it was my life on the line I'd much rather have speed than firepower!

WWSpinDry
04-02-2007, 08:31 AM
My favorite bird is anything that's keeping the bad guys off my six while I JABO! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Manu-6S
04-02-2007, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
The +25 Mustang III is faster. If my life depended on it, I'd therefore take the Mustang and show the opposition a clean pair of heels. Of course, if push comes to shove it will also out turn the 190. Shame it's only armed with pea shooters, but you can't have everything, and if it was my life on the line I'd much rather have speed than firepower!

With one of these planes you can play with a couple of Doras without problems... obvioulsy not more than 2. And shooting from 50m you really hurt them, even if firing 4 Browning.

Xiolablu3
04-03-2007, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by NSAdonis85:
Well, my sig pic about summs it, plus the Bf-109F-4/G-2/G-6AS/K-4, Bf-110, Do-335, Me-262, P-51, Spit Mk.V series, MC-205, B-239 and Gladiator.


WHy the Spit MkV, Adonis?

I really find it pretty much outclassed by the Bf109F4 on historical servers. Although its capable of holding its own of course.

I would pick the MkVIII or MkIX.

Each to their own of course! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

By Year on the Western Front(And only picking birds which saw significant action):-

1941 - Bf109F4
1942 - FW190A4
1943 - FW190A6/Spitfire IX
1944 - Tempest/Dora/P47/Spitfire 25lbs
1945 - Me262

SirPapps
04-03-2007, 06:55 PM
SpitV's are more agile though. An LF V has such a great powerloading at low alt that it has relatively good powerloading and the really good pilots can really dodge the BnZ.

han freak solo
04-03-2007, 08:43 PM
http://pspupdates.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/76136/rocky_balboa_2_qjpreviewth.jpg

LStarosta
04-03-2007, 09:20 PM
I heard that on the Rocky Balboa DVD there's an alternate ending where Balboa wins.

Can anyone confirm?

JR_Greenhorn
04-03-2007, 11:05 PM
My all-time favourite (since the demo) has always been:
La-5FN
For the record, I've never taken to the La-7 much, but I do like any of the La-5's.

I'd never even heard of a Lavochkin before playing Il-2, and now it's among my favourites (in game or otherwise). It just goes to show what Oleg and this sim has done for the awareness and appreciation of Soviet warplanes.

I-16's, IAR's, P-40's, and Hurricane IIc's have always been high on my list as well.



@LStarosta, I always chuckle when I see your Sparta sig, but the one you had previously was the Official Best Sig Ever of All Time, Be Sure.
There's not too many sigs that scream "I want to be a 1680x1050 desktop wallpaper" quite like that one did. I wonder what else that sig would scream, given the right opportunity?

NSAdonis85
04-04-2007, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

WHy the Spit MkV, Adonis?

I really find it pretty much outclassed by the Bf109F4 on historical servers. Although its capable of holding its own of course.


The Mk.Vs weight less (oh and I prefer the Mk.Vc(2) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), but if I'd have too, Mk.VIII or Mk.IXe would do too.

Alaskan_Viking
05-03-2007, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
Well, I'm no n00b, and while I like, and fly, many fighters in the game, my fave is the P-38.

She's beautiful to look at from any angle. She's hella fast. Fly and fight with her the way she wants to and she'll damned near grant you invincibility. Besides, it's always cool to fly a twin!

But she's got just that small bit of inperfection. Just enough to give her soul.

Yep. I like many planes in game, but I love the P-38. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Rickustyit
05-03-2007, 01:31 AM
This:

http://www.flyingmodels.net/progetti/aerei/macchi%20200.jpg

What a joy of a plane to fly! Absolutely stable in every condition, moderately fast (500 km/h), excellent roll rate, very good turning radius, very strong and tough, dives like a rock... Only the armament is ****, but I often fly in the C.200 when available. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Cheers
Rick

HellToupee
05-03-2007, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by NSAdonis85:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

WHy the Spit MkV, Adonis?

I really find it pretty much outclassed by the Bf109F4 on historical servers. Although its capable of holding its own of course.


The Mk.Vs weight less (oh and I prefer the Mk.Vc(2) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), but if I'd have too, Mk.VIII or Mk.IXe would do too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

actually the mkVs weight more than the 109s, they just have much larger wings. The game spitv vb is much too slow tho. In rl they were quite close performance wise at the alts they operated at when not bogged down with filters and such http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But my favorite ingame ac is the tempest since its the only allied one that can really compete with the late 190s down low.

alert_1
05-03-2007, 02:28 AM
I153M62
Ki43II
J2M3
Me109F,G2,G6AS
P39D2/Hispano 20mmm
A6M21,M3,M5
Fw190A (only as zerstoerer)

Deadmeat313
05-03-2007, 03:14 AM
Early war:
I-16
I-153
Mig-3

Late war:
Mustang
Tempest

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


T.

tigertalon
05-03-2007, 03:22 AM
The more I am playing with 4.08, the more I started to like jack, the 3 staged high alt monstrous J2M5 version.

Like I said in the other thread, chubby little cute thing nearly outeverythings everything:
Runs with a P47, turns with a yak3, climbs with a 25lb spit, dives with a 190, has alt performance with a P51 and packs 4 20mm cannons with large ammosupply (800 rounds overall).

Common sight online these days:

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/TigerTalon/J2M3_rabbit.jpg

La7_brook
05-03-2007, 03:26 AM
Anton 4 / Anton 6 / Anton 9 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

cawimmer430
05-03-2007, 06:25 AM
Do-335 nowadays. Damn this thing is nice! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9412/do3353pv8.png

BrewsterPilot
05-03-2007, 06:32 AM
B-239 ftw!!!1111omg!!1o11neeleven!!!!1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Therion_Prime
05-03-2007, 07:39 AM
My "most fun to fly"´top 5:
Gladiator
Ki43
A6M2-21 / A6M2-N "Rufe" (Yay a floatplane!)
Hurricane II


My "Biggest coolness factor" top 5:
P-40
109E4
P-38
190A/D
P-47

My "Most successful" top 6:
Tempest
SpitfireV (4x20mm)
F4U-1c
109-G2
P-51D
Ki84-1b

I just love 4xHispano equipped planes because I can hit a fly between the eyes up to 900m http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HellToupee
05-03-2007, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
The +25 Mustang III is faster. If my life depended on it, I'd therefore take the Mustang and show the opposition a clean pair of heels. Of course, if push comes to shove it will also out turn the 190. Shame it's only armed with pea shooters, but you can't have everything, and if it was my life on the line I'd much rather have speed than firepower!

With one of these planes you can play with a couple of Doras without problems... obvioulsy not more than 2. And shooting from 50m you really hurt them, even if firing 4 Browning. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

at 50 meters ur better off sawing their tail off with the prop.

4 .50s make the mkIII a **** plane.

Stew278
05-03-2007, 06:53 PM
Pacific
Early war: P-39 or A6M
Late war: P-38L or Ki84

Europe
Early war: Mig-3 or Bf-109F
Late war: P-63 or Fw-190A

Despite the weak guns the Mig is nice because it can haul butt if the situation gets too bad.

A6M aside, they are all fast enough to catch or extend away from most contemporary enemy fighters.

Most of them have closely spaced guns with lots of MG ammo to line up your shots and cannons to finish the job. The guns on the Frank and 190A are heavy enough that one burst usually does the job. The cannons on the later 39's and 63 are a little harder to aim, but pretty much one shot-one kill against fighters. None of that chipping away with .50cals while your target's buddies line up on your six.

Late war I like the P-63 for dogfights/ intercepts. If it's ground attack, I prefer the P-38 or P-47 only because they have better payloads. Admittedly I haven't spent much time flying the late war Yaks or La's so I'm not sure how those stack up, but I've got to say that swooping down on 190's in a P-63 and watching them blow up under that nose cannon is a hoot.

I can't pick one as my favorite since they are all a blast to fly.