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Fedda
01-19-2006, 02:39 PM
I just finished a quick mission flying the 262 against three Spitfires, guess what: They did`nt stand a chance! I have always loved the Swallow and found it a formidable weapon in FB after I got used to flying a jet as opposed to piston engined fighters.

But what are your thoughts concerning the 262? Do you like/dislike this bird?

Fedda
01-19-2006, 02:39 PM
I just finished a quick mission flying the 262 against three Spitfires, guess what: They did`nt stand a chance! I have always loved the Swallow and found it a formidable weapon in FB after I got used to flying a jet as opposed to piston engined fighters.

But what are your thoughts concerning the 262? Do you like/dislike this bird?

slo123
01-19-2006, 02:40 PM
i like it i only got to fly a little in the demo wich lasted a day but i like it

neural_dream
01-19-2006, 02:42 PM
I used to think it was one of the most popular aircraft, until http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5621097893

Punkfriday
01-19-2006, 02:42 PM
as long as my ammo holds out i am having fun. then i just go crazy.

AH_Gonzo
01-19-2006, 06:34 PM
The Swallow's a great bird to fly. Really stable, great fire power, etc. Gotta love it!

LStarosta
01-19-2006, 06:54 PM
Not another Spit or Swallow joke...

AKA_TAGERT
01-19-2006, 07:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fedda:
I just finished a quick mission flying the 262 against three Spitfires, guess what: They did`nt stand a chance! I have always loved the Swallow and found it a formidable weapon in FB after I got used to flying a jet as opposed to piston engined fighters.

But what are your thoughts concerning the 262? Do you like/dislike this bird? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I like any bird that swallows

LStarosta
01-19-2006, 07:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Not another Spit or Swallow joke... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Unknown-Pilot
01-19-2006, 07:59 PM
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/Unknown-Pilot/coconut.jpg

DIRTY-MAC
01-19-2006, 08:32 PM
A good 262 pilot will dominate every other prop fighter in this sim, If you stay fast, and fly smart you are untouchable. its no wonder it is banned because its to much for the allies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
in a historical server they have nothing to compete with it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Xiolablu3
01-19-2006, 10:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
A good 262 pilot will dominate every other prop fighter in this sim, If you stay fast, and fly smart you are untouchable. its no wonder it is banned because its to much for the allies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
in a historical server they have nothing to compete with it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Luckily the Germans didnt have anywhere near the numbers to compete with the Allies absolute air superiority.

Any 262 which took off, didnt last long http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


On a serious note, maybe we should have historical servers with historical numbers too? Red have 130 planes - blue have 20 planes sort of thing... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

AKA_TAGERT
01-19-2006, 10:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
A good 262 pilot will dominate every other prop fighter in this sim, If you stay fast, and fly smart you are untouchable. its no wonder it is banned because its to much for the allies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
in a historical server they have nothing to compete with it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Luckily the Germans didnt have anywhere near the numbers to compete with the Allies absolute air superiority.

Any 262 which took off, didnt last long http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


On a serious note, maybe we should have historical servers with historical numbers too? Red have 130 planes - blue have 20 planes sort of thing... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Exactally!

And even if it did become a problem, they would have just rammped up the P80 developement.. But no need, the props were handling it just fine

p1ngu666
01-19-2006, 11:13 PM
its bark was worse than its bite.

if u looked at what it achived, was unremarkable, unempressive too.

biggest effect was probably on morale

Lucius_Esox
01-20-2006, 03:31 AM
I dont think I've ever seen a good pilot fly it online. What I have seen is someone trying to bnz in one on his own.

Same as all bnz's though if you keep a lookout they don't get ya, simple. And if you keep enough of a lookout and are good at snapshots bn'zing is, as always not impervious to taking hits, not cool in a 262.

In real life they were very very vulnerable for much longer periods of their total flight time compared to piston engined aircraft. So you have to tie up another squad to fly cap when landing and taking off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Epitomises German military thinking towards the end of the war imo,,, see king Tiger etc.

As Stalin said "quantity has a quality all of it's own" (maybe not quite the right qoute but words to that effect).

The Germans sure as he11 pushed the technological boundaries in all areas though, which everyone else reaped the benifits of!

Show offs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

carguy_
01-20-2006, 04:08 AM
It`s in top 3 of the most hated planes by allies.Mostly because they don`t stand a chance against a set of experienced LW pilots.Just like the SpitIXc CW against Me109G though nobody objects SpitIXc.

In coops I participated the Me262 totally dominated.Allies were either bored or killed.A rather understandable reason why Me262 is banned from 98% of online games.

jimDG
01-20-2006, 04:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
It`s in top 3 of the most hated planes by allies.Mostly because they don`t stand a chance against a set of experienced LW pilots.Just like the SpitIXc CW against Me109G though nobody objects SpitIXc.

In coops I participated the Me262 totally dominated.Allies were either bored or killed.A rather understandable reason why Me262 is banned from 98% of online games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a matter of good or bad map design. For instance, one could allow shooting at a/c that are landing or just took off and/or put the 2 bases very close together (say, one is russian front line base very close to german jet base). given how slowly the me262 accelerates and gains speed an height - the props will have a field day.
Or one could have cloud cover from 300m to 3000m - no more BnZ for anyone.

Or, best of all - the allied planes (bombers and fighters) could have an air start at 10000 m.

waffen-79
01-20-2006, 04:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/Unknown-Pilot/coconut.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where you get that coconut? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

That an African Swallow or an European Swallow? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MP rules forever http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

major_setback
01-20-2006, 04:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Not another Spit or Swallow joke... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How can you quote yourself?

major_setback
01-20-2006, 04:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Not another Spit or Swallow joke... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How can you quote yourself? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Easy!

danjama
01-20-2006, 04:59 AM
I really like the me262. Its a solid plane, good firepower and of course it is very fast. I found it really hard to land in at first, adapting from the props to jets was weird, trying to get it slow was a nightmare.

I find that if a good P51 or P47 pilot is co-alt with the 262 to begin with, the P47 or P51 will win. But the truth is, any 262 pilots are so confident they stay under like 4000m, whereas a good P51 or P47 pilot will cruise at 7 or 8, making the 262 easy prey! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Anyway, if we had a Griffon Spit (MkXIV or later) the Me262's would be easy prey!

But yeah, i like the 262. Its true they cause allied misery in coops.

Fedda
01-20-2006, 05:23 AM
I can understand that the 262 is banned from a lot of online servers due to it`s enormous advantages compared to other a/cs of the same era. The 262 is unmatched once it`s airborne and you got buildt up some serious speed, but I must admit that I have lost a few jets during take-offs and landings. The 262 isn`t perfect, especially if you play it "historically" having a heavy disadvantage in sheer numbers of a/c.

To be honest with you (and i like this jet)I rather prefer playing early war scenarios with Emils against Spits and Hurries, btw; What is this rumour of a Battle of Britain game based on FB?

Skycat_2
01-20-2006, 06:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fedda:
What is this rumour of a Battle of Britain game based on FB? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Same developer but this BoB will not be based on IL-2/FB. It'll have a new engine to kick off a new series of expansions.

Read more here: http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/index.htm
Be sure to look at the development updates linked under Official Updates in the sidebar to the page's left.

Unknown-Pilot
01-20-2006, 08:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/Unknown-Pilot/coconut.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where you get that coconut? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

That an African Swallow or an European Swallow? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MP rules forever http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice to see somebody with a sense of humor around here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LStarosta
01-20-2006, 09:02 AM
I thought that was a peeled orange...

carguy_
01-20-2006, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimDG:
This is a matter of good or bad map design. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why yes ofcourse.You can make a 48xP47/P51 vs 6xMe262 coop too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

WOLFMondo
01-20-2006, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimDG:
This is a matter of good or bad map design. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why yes ofcourse.You can make a 48xP47/P51 vs 6xMe262 coop too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like allot of fun! I made a 'rat catcher' mission, 24 Tempests vs 2 262's. Just like real life most of the Tempests got nailed by AA in a flak corridor!

jugent
01-20-2006, 02:29 PM
The AI-fighter dont act as human counterparts do.
Test it online.

danjama
01-20-2006, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
The AI-fighter dont act as human counterparts do.
Test it online. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The AI me262 sucks!!!!

Badsight.
01-20-2006, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
In coops I participated the Me262 totally dominated.Allies were either bored or killed.A rather understandable reason why Me262 is banned from 98% of online games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>this is true

if you didnt have fun flying the Me-262 your a liar - that much speed & firepower is the epitomy of fun

MB_Avro_UK
01-20-2006, 05:32 PM
The top spits in this game are from 1943. If we had the later marks things would be different http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

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