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Hunde_3.JG51
06-16-2004, 01:09 AM
1. Less dispersion with .50 cals, I agree with this change, as long as its not overdone.

2. Spitfire V overheat seems more accurate, this is good.

3. Spitifre IX doesn't overheat at all (it didn't before above 2,000m or so). This is bad, hopefully this is result of beta status or other changes like reduction in speed.

4. Spitifre IX turns better. This is needed due to the state of FB in general, it needed to turn better because almost every plane turns too well (some more than others). I agree with this change, but relatively speaking.

5. Possible decrease in 20mm effectiveness. Please god NO! This is the reason I lost interest in FB for awhile after AEP release, weapons were woeful.

6. Someone mentioned better e-retention for FW-190 but I don't know if it was a joke or not. Either way, this would seem to take alot of testing and is consistent with patch hysteria type observations. It wouldn't be as apparent as those listed above.

Just some things I have read so far, if anyone has any info or comments please add them. Any observations/impressions of leaked 2.02 are welcome, especially concerning #3, #5, & #6 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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Hunde_3.JG51
06-16-2004, 01:09 AM
1. Less dispersion with .50 cals, I agree with this change, as long as its not overdone.

2. Spitfire V overheat seems more accurate, this is good.

3. Spitifre IX doesn't overheat at all (it didn't before above 2,000m or so). This is bad, hopefully this is result of beta status or other changes like reduction in speed.

4. Spitifre IX turns better. This is needed due to the state of FB in general, it needed to turn better because almost every plane turns too well (some more than others). I agree with this change, but relatively speaking.

5. Possible decrease in 20mm effectiveness. Please god NO! This is the reason I lost interest in FB for awhile after AEP release, weapons were woeful.

6. Someone mentioned better e-retention for FW-190 but I don't know if it was a joke or not. Either way, this would seem to take alot of testing and is consistent with patch hysteria type observations. It wouldn't be as apparent as those listed above.

Just some things I have read so far, if anyone has any info or comments please add them. Any observations/impressions of leaked 2.02 are welcome, especially concerning #3, #5, & #6 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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Jetbuff
06-16-2004, 01:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
5. Possible decrease in 20mm effectiveness. Please god NO! This is the reason I lost interest in FB for awhile after AEP release, weapons were woeful.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
While it may be premature and naive to base assumptions on rumour, this possibility has me scared stiff. We finally have realistic damage in 2.01, I'd hate to lose it.

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woofiedog
06-16-2004, 01:20 AM
A decrease in 20mm... S--t! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
My favorite Aircraft are Mig-3 with twin 20mm's, Hurricane with Quad 20mm's. Both are good for Blasting away just about anything in the skies. I like flying a few more... But thats what makes those two craft a P-sser to fly.
Maybe I'll have to skip the Hurricane with Bombs and stick with 2.01 Patch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Why are they picking on the Twenties??? Anyone know?

jurinko
06-16-2004, 01:28 AM
1. Less dispersion with .50 cals, I agree with this change, as long as its not overdone.

- a bit overdone, but more real than before

2. Spitfire V overheat seems more accurate, this is good.

- yep it overheat after some time

3. Spitifre IX doesn't overheat at all (it didn't before above 2,000m or so). This is bad, hopefully this is result of beta status or other changes like reduction in speed.

- did not test so deeply

4. Spitifre IX turns better. This is needed due to the state of FB in general, it needed to turn better because almost every plane turns too well (some more than others). I agree with this change, but relatively speaking.

- turns better

5. Possible decrease in 20mm effectiveness. Please god NO! This is the reason I lost interest in FB for awhile after AEP release, weapons were woeful.

- i am afraid yes..

6. Someone mentioned better e-retention for FW-190 but I don't know if it was a joke or not. Either way, this would seem to take alot of testing and is consistent with patch hysteria type observations. It wouldn't be as apparent as those listed above.

- yeah!! Fw rulezz.. but is far from noob plane.

Just some things I have read so far, if anyone has any info or comments please add them. Any observations/impressions of leaked 2.02 are welcome, especially concerning #3, #5, & #6 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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Seahawk89
06-16-2004, 01:31 AM
I was using the 20's a lot tonight and they work well. Got quite a few one burst kills flying the Spit. I agree with #1 thru #4 but I do not know about #6. This may all change but that's what it is like right now.

hughlb2
06-16-2004, 01:35 AM
People, I don't think you need to worry about the 20mm cannons becoming pi$$ weak. They have to remain more powerful than the fixed (apparently) 50cals which are themselves (apparently) formidable, so any tweaks would be slight, to avoid the two weapons becoming too alike. Unless ofcourse they were alike in reality and then I have no idea. Also Ubi dont want a series of new whine posts about undermoddled 20mm cannons, so they would probably be wise to leave the 20mm's alone, as it sounds like people like them this wayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hunde_3.JG51
06-16-2004, 01:44 AM
Thanks jurinko, much appreciated.

Seahawk, Hispanos don't count http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif, they are/were always very effective, even in 2.00. I am kidding...sort of....but the Hispanos were very good cannons in RL also.

hughlb2, I do worry about 20mm's when enough people start saying it. In 2.00 they were horrible. And a 20mm cannon should be much more powerful than a .50 cal, any 20mm cannon. I hope you are right though.

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woofiedog
06-16-2004, 02:06 AM
hughlb2 I hope your right. We'll see soon enough though.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-16-2004, 02:07 AM
about the FW190 E bleed is not a joke ,it holds it better now and gains energy a little faster
but dont let it fool you its far from being a turn fighter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and its by far from being a n00b fighter if your up agains a spit or P51

And i do believe they adjusted the high stall speed a little but im not sure

dont pin me down on this
i only flew the D9 and A9 for a serious amount of time yesterday and today to be sure
i will test the early Antons more to see if they are changed

EDIT: the Mg151/20MM (the only one i shot with)
feels a bit weaker offline and online http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Kwiatos
06-16-2004, 04:44 AM
My notice about 2.02:

- Spitfire MK V - overheat but only with radiators close if you set radiator 6 never overheat. When start overheat with close radiator is much quicker to cool engine than 2.01
- Spitfire Mk IX - impossible to overheat engine, i feel that turn the same but dont test with stoper
- 20mm cannons (expecially Mg 151) seemed to be weaker - i made some test in QMB in 2.01 and 2.02

1.JaVA_Razer
06-16-2004, 04:46 AM
my findings:

1. Less dispersion with .50 cals, I agree with this change, as long as its not overdone.
- it's good, P47 seems ok and P38's guns FINALLY seem NOT to be set to fiure in a 360‚? circle in front of the plane,they fire nice in a good thing,still some spread but it's realistic(spread is FINE,really,couldn't be better)

2. Spitfire V overheat seems more accurate, this is good.
-treu...
3. Spitifre IX doesn't overheat at all (it didn't before above 2,000m or so).
-Haven't tested yet but it indeed overheats less http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
4. Spitifre IX turns better.
YES!! it turn better

5. Possible decrease in 20mm effectiveness. Please god NO!
-They seem to be a little less effective but I actually found the DM's from before to arcade i'll exlain at the bottom of post..
6. Someone mentioned better e-retention for FW-190
-Yup it holds E much better now and is LETHAL!!!!!

DM thingy:
From what I saw in guncam footage most pilots bailed from planes with smoky engines and apparently fuel leakes/oil pressure drops...
(FW guncam footage)
but in 2.01 it ssemed as if wings where paper mashé
U took a little bullets fired once and bye bye wings. While I was under the assumption that planes really slwoed down where bad to ahndle and stuff an people bailed out,not because yet another round tore away their entire wing

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Extreme_One
06-16-2004, 04:52 AM
I agree with everything except point 3.

You can overheat the IX but as it has auto prop-pitch AND auto radiator it doesn't overheat very often. Which would be about right wouldn't it?

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Seahawk89
06-16-2004, 05:16 AM
"Hispanos don't count"

Whoops, I've had the Spitfire on my mind too much lately. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif I still can't get the Mk9 to overheat. Just raced Badsight home after a mission in the desert at full speed over a fair amount of distance and it stayed cool. He won but he cheated. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

Menthol_moose
06-16-2004, 05:22 AM
Very happy with the 50s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

maybe they are a little weaker, but the increase in accuracy makes up for it.

HexAngel
06-16-2004, 05:58 AM
For me the Mg151/20 feel exactly the same offline. But its not backed up with any tests..

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VVS-Manuc
06-16-2004, 09:24 AM
0.50 cal. = less dispersion = more damage
20 mm = less damage than in 2.01

that is ok...it's all a thing of giving and taking. Next patch allies' guns become weaker and axis guns become stronger again. All based on realistic datas http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

WUAF_Boxer
06-16-2004, 09:36 AM
Actuall I think that all guns have lost some power. Now the difference is not very big, but even the 303's seem weaker. One thing I know for sure is that bombers, specially the B-17 is one hell of an opponent now.

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HuninMunin
06-16-2004, 09:41 AM
Strange, Gibbage complained about it the other day.

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ZG77_Nagual
06-16-2004, 09:43 AM
I can confirm the .50s

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I disagree on the 20mms however - they are as good as ever.

NorrisMcWhirter
06-16-2004, 09:51 AM
Hi,

Weaker 20mm? Why? I should have known the whine-assisted pendulum would swing back to LW guns being porked again. I've tried the v2.02 out but didn't fly LW with 20mm cannons...I'll have to check this one out myself.

No doubt servers will be unbalanced towards red again like they were with the joke AEP release.

Cheers,
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NN_EnigmuS
06-16-2004, 09:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
I agree with everything except point 3.

You can overheat the IX but as it has auto prop-pitch AND auto radiator it doesn't overheat very often. Which would be about right wouldn't it?

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are serious lol all german plane had auto prop-pitch and auto radiator but overheat quicly at full power lol why not the spit Mk9?

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bweiss
06-16-2004, 10:05 AM
I'm just a lil pilot from nowhere who figures I'm fairly accomplished just to get the thing off the tarmac w/o turning it into a fireball. But as to gun power, I must say that my experience is the only thing (pre-2.02 patch), that seems to do much harm is the 20mm's. Seemingly I can sit and pound away all day with the 303's and the 7.9mm's, I mean up close and personal, and not much seems to happen except to make the other fellow angry. Maybe in the big picture that works out percentage wise to what it should be, but sure is scary when you empty your guns into a plane from point blank range and it merely flys off on it's merry way.

mchaos
06-16-2004, 10:21 AM
I agree with the comment that all guns seem a tad weaker. Could be that there was a global adjustment to damage.

Before many fighters were being easily killed at convergence. Now maybe taking a bit more damage first.


BTW, I thought that 20mm was approx equal .50, major difference between them is in HE, MINE, AP variants for 20mm may have had more explosives.

Not an expert though, just what I heard.

faustnik
06-16-2004, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:


No doubt servers will be unbalanced towards red again like they were with the joke AEP release.

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Huh? I don't think "balance" is the objective here.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-16-2004, 11:08 AM
maybe the leaked patch isnt the final one or they are just waiting what we have to say about it

if this was the final release patch then whats the hold up ?

oh well time will tell switching back to v2.01 in the mean time

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faustnik
06-16-2004, 11:11 AM
Sunburst,

I can't take your comments seriously because you have a 190 in your sig.

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ZG77_Nagual
06-16-2004, 11:15 AM
I'll say it again - I tested offline against a known planeset (4 ace k4s) flew the dora, p38, spit, a6. P38 is definitely much better - all others the same or better - in the dora I seemed to get kills in one pass much more frequently if anything

NorrisMcWhirter
06-16-2004, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:


No doubt servers will be unbalanced towards red again like they were with the joke AEP release.

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Hi,

You're quite right - they should be historically accurate.

My comment was not qualified properly; what I was referring to was that with AEP, the LW guns were sufficiently porked so as to cause a unnatural "imbalance" (through defections) to the red side as no one particularly appreciates hitting a plane with several 30mm shells only to see it fly off with a bit of a fuel leak.

What I am trying to say is that I hope the LW guns don't find themselves downgraded to *below historical strength* or red guns upgraded to *above historical strength* as that will cause another imbalance.

Cheers,
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06-16-2004, 11:20 AM
Hmm, Im to tech but, the V compared to the IX, the V has only one large radiator and the IX has 'two', could be the reason why it stays cooler.(not to mention the auto radiator)

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faustnik
06-16-2004, 11:25 AM
Also, the Spitfire IX throttle only goes to 100%. Does the 109 overheat at 100% with auto prop and radiator and 100% throttle?

Does the Spit IX overheat with 100% and WEP?

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06-16-2004, 03:41 PM
Norris, i feel for you for once actually. I have not seen one single post after 2.01 asking why the luft 20mm's were so powerful, or saying that they should be nerfed. I think we all agree they are fine as they are now. No idea why oleg *supposedly* changed them. I doubt he has some secret, evil, diabolical plan to make LW completly useless, but if LW 20mm was knocked down in power, that would really suck http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ZG77_Nagual
06-16-2004, 03:49 PM
Look - the 20s have not been nerfed. I've tested it and conferred with others who have - conclusion: At least as good as ever - at least in this beta patch the 20mms are fully as powerful as ever. I'm quite sure of this.

Dammerung
06-16-2004, 04:08 PM
Well... In 2.0 I was a pure beginner, I couldnt hit anything but B-17s with 20mm, and it didnt do squat. I take He-162s now and happily shear wings off Yaklolevs and Lavokchins without trouble, and blast P-80s into oblivion with engine hits. .50s? Smack an A6M in fuselage and it falls apart. Can't imagine how much better it will be with them fixed. But the 20mm should be even more powerful than that, it's a Cannon with a lower ROF than MGs... Especially the MG151/20, keep it the way it is in 2.01. The ShVAK and other allied cannons are fine as well. Don't mess with 'em.

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