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mynameisroland
05-03-2005, 07:05 AM
I have flown all of the Fw versions and Ive got my favourites but only recently I have taken up ground attacks when I dislike a particular map or feel like a change. Im getting addicted to busting up tank columns with a 500kg bomb and then strafing trucks and AAA with the Mg151's.

Almost exclusively I will take the Fw A8 (if the A9 is available I will always chose the D9 44 as it tends to be present when the A9 is) for a ground attack mission but the F8 carries a greater load of bombs and also has a wider option of weapons.

I know that historically there was no armour difference between the F8 and A8 but is there any in game? The F8 seems to be fairly nimble when its dropped its load like an A6 but the A8 is adequate also once it has dropped its payload plus you have the advantage of the bomb rack not reducing speed and the extra 151's in the outer wings.

Do any of you fellow Fw affecionados have any comparative info on the two models in the fighter bomber role?(in game)like loaded max speeds at sea level and clean max speeds. I am torn between taking the F8 and having more bombs or taking the A8 and having a fully functioning fighter after ive hit target. Does the F8's landing carriage hold up better to rough landings ect little things like this you guys have noticed or monitered.

Ofcourse the answer to my prayers would be a bomb rack on the D9 but this seems unlikely for some reason ( Red aircraft have tough enough time intercepting A series http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

VW-IceFire
05-03-2005, 07:30 AM
Not sure exactly...I am torn on the same decisions. Sometimes I take the A-8 and sometimes the F-8. The F-8s bombload is great...and I think its a little bit faster in a straightline dash...but the A-8 is the better fighter hands down.

Seeing as I usually have to defend myself later...I fly the A-8.

p1ngu666
05-03-2005, 07:40 AM
i think itll depend on your ground targets
if its lots of trucks of softies, id take a8 or a9, (bit quicker)

for lots of tanks, f8 because its got extra bombs

p1ngu666
05-03-2005, 07:41 AM
http://www.uploadit.org/gallery/11470
a6 vs f8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BBB_Hyperion
05-03-2005, 08:03 AM
It really depends on the type of target.

When you are up for fast strikes without air cover you can use bombs. Here you can decide if 1 approach is all you need a8 or a9 can do it or f8 is you can exspect to survive multiple passes.

A8 is more usefull when you fly lower A9 for medium alts considering the flightpath to target.

When you have air cover you can use mk103 to get tanks needs high dive angle.
Cars etc better take out with board guns waste of bombs.

The AB500 can be used for close tank formations AB250 cars etc. But its a little tricky to hit with it.

The190Flyer
05-03-2005, 08:13 AM
Well since the F-8 doesn't have the outer guns, it should be a bit lighter after the bombload has been released but with the bombrack in place, it would produce a little drag so..... I would choose A-8 overall though, I feel that it's a better fighter overall.

LEBillfish
05-03-2005, 09:00 AM
May want to recheck your info as in the past I was complaining to some "experts" I respect about how I did not like the F8 but liked the A8......They quickly all disagreed stating how they prefered the F8 due to its much better armor so durability. Their first choice for ground attack due to it.

Just a point you might want to re-check as I "don't know" myself.

BSS_CUDA
05-03-2005, 09:02 AM
My advise STAY AWAY FROM THE P-38 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif you can't compete, your only hope is to jump him when he isnt looking, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

jessi1
05-03-2005, 09:10 AM
I would choose the a-8 or the a-9, better fighter after bomb drop as well as great speed to evade if needed, also has extra guns to help out the situation.

fly on warclouds as BLACKPULPIT hello bbbhyperion and 190 flyer see you tonight on warclouds mates.

mynameisroland
05-03-2005, 09:25 AM
Thanks for replies guys, I didnt know that F8 was so fast will bombload at sea level. How about A8 with 500kg bomb vs F8 with full load out of 6 bombs?

I agree when against soft targets take an A8 let the cannons do a lot of the work but against tanks especially JSII's your going to need lots of direct hits with bombs. 500kg near miss will do 250 kg dead on will work too how about 100kg on those heavy tanks?

Also I have this good book about the Luftwaffes Schlachtgeschwader and it has F8's blasting rockets at tanks. Its a shame Lw doesnt have ground attack rockets then I could vulch like all the reds do at airfields http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

mynameisroland
05-03-2005, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
My advise STAY AWAY FROM THE P-38 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif you can't compete, your only hope is to jump him when he isnt looking, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

The best thing about a P38 is their pilots are over confident and this invariably leads to them flying at 5m high with a full loadout of weapons expecting to be able to dogfight an enemy fighter on the way to target and win ! Then when they get sawn in half they cry and come here and whine that they got shot down by a faster , more manuverable, higher HP to weight ratio, better armed, Luftwaffe plane and the P38 was after all the best fighter created during WW2. Just look at the history channel and all those records of how many paper planes it shot down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Give me a Fw 190 any day over a P38 !

mynameisroland
05-03-2005, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
May want to recheck your info as in the past I was complaining to some "experts" I respect about how I did not like the F8 but liked the A8......They quickly all disagreed stating how they prefered the F8 due to its much better armor so durability. Their first choice for ground attack due to it.

Just a point you might want to re-check as I "don't know" myself.

Im pretty confident the F8 carried the same armour as the A8 itself up armoured from earlier A series. The earlier F2 was better armoured than the A4 but once the A8 came in to production they decided to standardise the production more. I am open to peoples findings from the game however to see if they are modelled differently. It wouldnt surprise me as the Fw series is very complex and has 100's of variants and combinations. The A6 for instance had the redesigned high speed wing that the A8 and A9 retained yet in game the newer wing only effects the A8 and A9 series handling (D9 too)

JG53Frankyboy
05-03-2005, 10:03 AM
what do you think changed with the wings ?


and about F8 armour. yes i read it also. the F8 had less arour , same like A8 , than the F2-3 (~Fw190A5/U3 & -/U17)

hoprfully maddox will make the Fw190 Fighters and Groundattackers/longrange Fighter bombers different plane modells in future BoB adons and not "only" armament options.
and yes, i never understand why maddix not programmed a Fw190F-8/Ptzb with Panzerblitz2 rockets - he could have used the R4M rockets as base therefore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
05-03-2005, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
My advise STAY AWAY FROM THE P-38 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif you can't compete, your only hope is to jump him when he isnt looking, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

The best thing about a P38 is their pilots are over confident and this invariably leads to them flying at 5m high with a full loadout of weapons expecting to be able to dogfight an enemy fighter on the way to target and win ! Then when they get sawn in half they cry and come here and whine that they got shot down by a faster , more manuverable, higher HP to weight ratio, better armed, Luftwaffe plane and the P38 was after all the best fighter created during WW2. Just look at the history channel and all those records of how many paper planes it shot down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Give me a Fw 190 any day over a P38 ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The LW do have some rockets (apart from the ones that don't go where you aim them - thanks "testers") but they are on the Me262. There's a lot of satisfaction to be had wiping out a multiple planes with one batch of rockets knowing full well that you are untouchable. Oh for more 262s on servers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,
Norris

BBB_Hyperion
05-03-2005, 10:26 AM
Every tank can be taken out by sc50s but you need to place the sc50s on the tank . Thats a highly difficult task but not impossible.

mynameisroland
05-03-2005, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
what do you think changed with the wings ?


and about F8 armour. yes i read it also. the F8 had less arour , same like A8 , than the F2-3 (~Fw190A5/U3 & -/U17)

hoprfully maddox will make the Fw190 Fighters and Groundattackers/longrange Fighter bombers different plane modells in future BoB adons and not "only" armament options.
and yes, i never understand why maddix not programmed a Fw190F-8/Ptzb with Panzerblitz2 rockets - he could have used the R4M rockets as base therefore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

The A6 series introduced a newly designed wing , this wing was designed to be stronger and it also bled off less speed while manuvering at high speeds. A fine example of this is that in an A8, A9 or D9 you can outturn a Yak 3 or a La 7 if you maintian your airspeed above 500kmh- the faster the more pronounced the turn advantage becomes.

Yet in game the A6 does not benefit from this which is wierd?

mynameisroland
05-03-2005, 11:02 AM
BBB Hyperion

Ive looked through your site ( very good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) and also read a lot on the Airwarfare site.

Do you have any tips on the finer point of bombing small targets such as tanks? I tend to approach target low as fast as possible in a shallow dive dropping bomb just before target becoms obscured by nose of plane. I get results but not I doubt I could kill a JSII with 50kg bomb though I know it should be possible. By the way is armour thickness modelled correctly for instance can I bomb the rear of a tank and get better results?

csThor
05-03-2005, 11:05 AM
Against tanks skip bombing has proved to be the best method for me. Approach the target at grass height (meaning at 50cm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) at very high speed (above 400, better close to 500). Once the target disappears below the cowling wait two-three seconds and drop the bomb. If you've aimed well the bomb should bounce off the ground a few times directly into the tank.

JG53Frankyboy
05-03-2005, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
............ it also bled off less speed while manuvering at high speeds. A fine example of this is that in an A8, A9 or D9 you can outturn a Yak 3 or a La 7 if you maintian your airspeed above 500kmh- the faster the more pronounced the turn advantage becomes.

Yet in game the A6 does not benefit from this which is wierd?

where did you read that ?

mynameisroland
05-03-2005, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
............ it also bled off less speed while manuvering at high speeds. A fine example of this is that in an A8, A9 or D9 you can outturn a Yak 3 or a La 7 if you maintian your airspeed above 500kmh- the faster the more pronounced the turn advantage becomes.

Yet in game the A6 does not benefit from this which is wierd?

where did you read that ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ive seen the charts on this forum using IL2 compare. Surely having been here since 2002 you should have also?

What is better is I have done it online in dogfights much to the bemusement of Yak3's as my lumbering A8 hauls round on a Yak's 6 and the yak pilots stick is pulled in to his belly but he just cant get away. Try it with Spitfire, P38, p39 ... pretty much every plane in game gets out turned by Fw 190 at high speed with the possible exception of Mustang.

Grisha7
05-03-2005, 11:55 AM
I love the F8. I know it lacks the outer guns but it still packs a punch. I mostly fly the A6 online (not that I'm any good) though recently I've started flying the F8 doing the ground-pounding stuff. I don't score alot of kills normally but I took down a P-51 and a P-38 on the same sortie, both in the F8. I think it's a fine aeroplane. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

faustnik
05-03-2005, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:

Im pretty confident the F8 carried the same armour as the A8 itself up armoured from earlier A series. The earlier F2 was better armoured than the A4 but once the A8 came in to production they decided to standardise the production more. I am open to peoples findings from the game however to see if they are modelled differently.

The F8 in PF must be modeled after the early uparmored F8. It is worse than the A8 in every performance catagory even though the Fw190A8 is also equipped with an ETC rack and the A8 has the outer cannons.

mynameisroland
05-04-2005, 09:25 AM
F8 is not as clean an aircraft as the A8 it has lost its undercarriage covers, has bomb racks beneath wings and fuselage fitted and also it has stronger gear ect which would add weight and slow it down I reckon.

carguy_
05-04-2005, 09:44 AM
FW190F8 is the best plane you want to have available for mudmoving.It is much heavier but also more durable than other FWs.It doesn`t have a gunner like Me110 but it is also much smaller of a target.Ofcourse it can`t compete with Me110 in armament departament but who wants to stay in target vicinity longer than it is necessary anyway?

How I feel flying a F8 is like a A6 with a 250kg bomb.

BBB_Hyperion
05-04-2005, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
BBB Hyperion

Ive looked through your site ( very good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) and also read a lot on the Airwarfare site.

Do you have any tips on the finer point of bombing small targets such as tanks? I tend to approach target low as fast as possible in a shallow dive dropping bomb just before target becoms obscured by nose of plane. I get results but not I doubt I could kill a JSII with 50kg bomb though I know it should be possible. By the way is armour thickness modelled correctly for instance can I bomb the rear of a tank and get better results?

Thats approach needs good 3d orientation i mostly dive in at about 30 to 40 degrees and pull up shortly after drop.

There are 2 ways to aim with wing sc50s .

1st is to know where your wing is and guess distance and approach point for left wing for example you have to fly more right to the side of the tank for bombing it precisely.

2nd is you approach the tank with a left or right roll so dropped bombs fall closer together
as you can only drop 2 at once anyway you close the distance between the impact point and increase hit chances on the tank.

JG53Frankyboy
05-04-2005, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
............ it also bled off less speed while manuvering at high speeds. A fine example of this is that in an A8, A9 or D9 you can outturn a Yak 3 or a La 7 if you maintian your airspeed above 500kmh- the faster the more pronounced the turn advantage becomes.

Yet in game the A6 does not benefit from this which is wierd?

where did you read that ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ive seen the charts on this forum using IL2 compare. Surely having been here since 2002 you should have also?

What is better is I have done it online in dogfights much to the bemusement of Yak3's as my lumbering A8 hauls round on a Yak's 6 and the yak pilots stick is pulled in to his belly but he just cant get away. Try it with Spitfire, P38, p39 ... pretty much every plane in game gets out turned by Fw 190 at high speed with the possible exception of Mustang. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i was just interested because i never heard/read about a design change of the Fw190 , that saw combat, that changed the aerodynamic qualities of its wing.

btw, the F8 has only 200rpg in its canons - all others have 250rpg

mynameisroland
05-04-2005, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
............ it also bled off less speed while manuvering at high speeds. A fine example of this is that in an A8, A9 or D9 you can outturn a Yak 3 or a La 7 if you maintian your airspeed above 500kmh- the faster the more pronounced the turn advantage becomes.

Yet in game the A6 does not benefit from this which is wierd?

where did you read that ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ive seen the charts on this forum using IL2 compare. Surely having been here since 2002 you should have also?

What is better is I have done it online in dogfights much to the bemusement of Yak3's as my lumbering A8 hauls round on a Yak's 6 and the yak pilots stick is pulled in to his belly but he just cant get away. Try it with Spitfire, P38, p39 ... pretty much every plane in game gets out turned by Fw 190 at high speed with the possible exception of Mustang. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i was just interested because i never heard/read about a design change of the Fw190 , that saw combat, that changed the aerodynamic qualities of its wing.

btw, the F8 has only 200rpg in its canons - all others have 250rpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi mate , look up on IL2 view plane finder in game it tells you under Fw 190 A6 new wing. Also check the web for A6 model specifically it should mention wing re-design. It was just a stronger more speed efficient wing. Fw's nose was also lenghthened from the A4 series to the A5 series by 6 inches, lots of little changes over the course of its development.

Also I read that F8 had fewer rpg but again im unsure as to whether this is modelled in game.

JG53Frankyboy
05-04-2005, 11:10 AM
it is modeled.

yes , there were changes of the wingconstruktion . sure , but i never heard about that they changed aerodynamical aspects like wingfoil ore such things

mynameisroland
05-05-2005, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
it is modeled.

yes , there were changes of the wingconstruktion . sure , but i never heard about that they changed aerodynamical aspects like wingfoil ore such things

If you look at a plan form of the Fw s wing and compare A3 to A4 there is a visible change look at the leading edge where it joins fuselage, there is a fillet that was never present before. I dont know about wing aerofoil section. With regard that the later series turned better at high speed I am sure that would be corelated to the aero foil section and the data that Oleg used?

civildog
05-05-2005, 10:20 AM
The F-8 seems faster and a little lighter, but not so much that I would prefer it to the A-8. I used to fly the LW birds more often when I first got the game and loved the A-8 and Dora more than any. Other than the bombload i'm not sure what the real difference was.