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Serval_EAF310
03-07-2004, 12:41 PM
In march 1943 this aircraft became Gleeds personal aircraft and it received his initials as marking. Gleed flew 35 missions over Tunesia with this aircraft and downed one Bf-109G and damaged two more. On april 16. he was killed in action while engaging a transporter over the Tunesian coast. The escorting fighters of I/JG77 and II/JG2 intercepted him

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Serval_EAF310
03-07-2004, 12:41 PM
In march 1943 this aircraft became Gleeds personal aircraft and it received his initials as marking. Gleed flew 35 missions over Tunesia with this aircraft and downed one Bf-109G and damaged two more. On april 16. he was killed in action while engaging a transporter over the Tunesian coast. The escorting fighters of I/JG77 and II/JG2 intercepted him

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Hristo_
03-07-2004, 01:28 PM
Very nice. One can only wish more targets like this one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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DONB3397
03-07-2004, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristo_:
Very nice. One can only wish more targets like this one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
...says arrogant LW ex-experten as he crashes in the channel.

BTW, Serval, excellent skin.
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KIMURA
03-07-2004, 01:39 PM
Got it, thx. IRG is my fav. RAF pilot.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BlackHawkLeader
03-07-2004, 01:55 PM
Incidently, JG77 lost some valuable and experienced pilots giving fighter escort to those transports.

BerkshireHunt
03-07-2004, 02:24 PM
Ian Gleed was of diminutive stature (5ft 2"), Scottish, and a very talented pilot. What is not commonly known is that he was homosexual- just about the only WW2 pilot this has ever been confirmed about ('twas of course illegal at the time but his preferences were revealed post war by those who knew him).
His skeleton was discovered in 1946 still sitting in his aircraft, which he had successfully belly landed on the North African coast.

KIMURA
03-07-2004, 02:44 PM
Oh dear, sexual preferences is one of the most unimportant things I want to know about a person. Or do you tell to everybody: "Hey I'm a hete!" http://www.schildersmilies.de/schilder/innoc.gif

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BerkshireHunt
03-07-2004, 03:02 PM
No, but I think it's interesting all the same. I like to learn about the characters of these men- they were a cross section of society and all types of personality were represented.

Oso2323
03-07-2004, 07:03 PM
Nice! Could we get a blank skin?

And thanks for the interesting info on WC Gleed.

Serval_EAF310
03-08-2004, 01:30 AM
Thanks for the additional information. BTW: I also made two Hurri's he flew (actually the same but a temperate RAF scheme and a night scheme)
@ Oso
Normally I add the blank version. But I forgot it this time. I'll add it to the next desert scheme I post.

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biggs222
03-08-2004, 01:41 AM
thanks for making a skin with correct spit roundels and roundels that are in the right place. the default roundels are wrong and in the wrong place on the wing.

one questoin whats up with the "squished" lettering on the fuselage goin toward the tail, is that a template problem? ive noticed it on some other skins as well

Serval_EAF310
03-08-2004, 01:55 AM
It's a template problem indeed. I tried to correct it as much as possible (look aat the fuselage roundel compared to other skins) and the lettering.

The fuselage gets cropped toward the tail.

So we'll have to live with some minor problems in the markings there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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BerkshireHunt
03-08-2004, 05:46 AM
Thinking about it further it may be that Gleed was fighting for self- preservation during the Battle of Britain, not just King and Country. He must have known that minority groups were persecuted in Germany and that similar would lie in store for him should his preferences become known. This link tells all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany
We know that the Gestapo had drawn up an execution list which would have been acted upon if the Germans had successfully invaded Britain. This included the prominent homosexual playwright, Noel Coward- along with many others.

Serval_EAF310
03-09-2004, 05:12 AM
Here is some history on Gleed.
http://www.jacksonharrison.co.uk/BoB2/Battle_personnel/Profiles/RAF/gleed.htm

It states this about his crash:
"During a patrol over the Cap Bon area on April 16th 1943, Gleed was attacked by fighters of JG 77 and after receiving several hits he tried to get his Spitfire back to the safety of Tunisia. The remains of the Spitfire were discovered on sand dunes along the Tunisian coastline but his body was not found

It is known that the body of Ian Gleed was buried at Tazoghrane before he was finally reburied in the Military Cemetery at Enfidaville on April 25th 1944"
Which is also what I know from a book.

So, that differs from him being found in his cockpit in 1946.

Regarding his homosexuality: I think it isn't fair to suggest he fought for his own causes. Weren't there many who went to war for their own reasons?
Besides: where only Chris Glotch claims to have had a relationship with him, the veterans remember him as a good pilot and a great leader. And they never noticed anything about him. Sadly there are no living relatives to shed light on the case. And even Chris Glotch admits, that Ian Gleed would have hated this to become public.

Anyway, we all thank our freedom to people like Ian Gleed, whatever their own reason was to join the fight. And no matter they became an aces or were shot in their first fight.
At least those people had the guts to go up and face the enemy, and most of the ones still living suffer from bad nightmares of everything they went through.

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BerkshireHunt
03-09-2004, 07:33 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Serval_EAF310:

So, that differs from him being found in his cockpit in 1946.

Interesting- my information came from a recent edition of Aeroplane magazine, but they do sometimes get things wrong.
A few weeks after their piece one of Gleed's ex-squadron members wrote to the magazine confirming how highly regarded he was and saying what a pleasure it was to see his letter codes applied to a fighter once again (I can't remember whether it was a Spitfire or Hurricane but I think it will be on the airshow circuit this year).