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FatBoyHK
10-21-2005, 04:13 PM
Rock solid on high speed, uber 50cals, good turn, fast like a hot rod, it bring me back to my ace of aces status of 3.04 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

The only thing I hate (but it is realistic) is that it is not very controllable under 200 MPH... can't really aim in this speed, I need to resort tp spray and pray http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

For the first time in my 18-months' experience in IL2, I wanna say:

OLEG I LOVE YOU!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

danjama
10-21-2005, 04:32 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

P51s can actually brake wings now with enough bullets on target! I love this plane even more than 4.01 now.

Kuna15
10-21-2005, 04:38 PM
It is a good fighter although I must say that it is tough ride, was and still is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

SithSpeeder
10-21-2005, 04:50 PM
Huh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I don't believe that ANY change was made to the P-51 (but I could be wrong and it won't be the first time nor the last).

* _54th_Speeder *

Monty_Thrud
10-21-2005, 05:00 PM
Good to hear she's getting there...God i love this sim..i just wanna get jiggy wid it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

danjama
10-21-2005, 05:30 PM
i believe she has better speed retention and also better dive acceleration.

LStarosta
10-21-2005, 06:25 PM
FatBoy is one of those people who gets high when someone hands him a joint rolled with oak leaves.

Bearcat99
10-21-2005, 07:00 PM
I have always flown the 51 regardless...... It is better.

BuzzU
10-21-2005, 08:58 PM
The P-51 is still good, but i've tried the 109's lately and my God! Are they the new Yak3? You can do anything with them.

FatBoyHK
10-22-2005, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by SithSpeeder:
Huh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I don't believe that ANY change was made to the P-51 (but I could be wrong and it won't be the first time nor the last).

* _54th_Speeder *

It has a different feeling... It is even more responsive than before, therefore you need to more gentle on the stick... but once you get used to it, you start to feel the good side of it. It is now very good in high speed combat, as it is more stable, and much much more powerful gun platform than it was in v401, it start to behave like it reallife counterpart http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

FatBoyHK
10-22-2005, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
The P-51 is still good, but i've tried the 109's lately and my God! Are they the new Yak3? You can do anything with them.

TA152 is the new best for LW, many people say that..... I gonna give it a try!

Chadburn
10-22-2005, 07:51 AM
Oh geez..that's all blue side needs...FatBoy liking the P51 even better... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PF_Coastie
10-22-2005, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
Rock solid on high speed, uber 50cals,

Uhhh, You must have gotten a different patch than me. The .50's are hardly Uber. Especially when using the 4gun Mustang III.

I do agree that the Plane itself is Much better now though.

fordfan25
10-22-2005, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
Rock solid on high speed, uber 50cals,

Uhhh, You must have gotten a different patch than me. The .50's are hardly Uber. Especially when using the 4gun Mustang III.

I do agree that the Plane itself is Much better now though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i agree i would not say the .50s are uber but on the targets iv used them on "109,190,p47 ect" thay seem to be a bit better. how ever there are still times when i can pump 3 and 4 sec sprays with a p-47's 8 BMG's into a FW or 109 and he still keeps flyn. i dont know if were seeing a deffernce in the .50s or in the DM of the dighters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Von_Rat
10-22-2005, 02:41 PM
p51 is very bouncy for me. hard to aim at any speed.


fw190d9 late is the lw new best imo.

i can dogfight spits on the deck by using vertical. if i screw up, im gone in a flash. that thing is a speed demon low down.

RedDeth
10-22-2005, 02:46 PM
everyone always seems to talk like oleg now....


be sure

GH_Klingstroem
10-22-2005, 02:49 PM
Havent tried the new patch yet and wont for another 2 weeks, but im not looking forward to bumping into p51s if the changes are as you say! I always fly the 190 and am pretty good in it. The only thing i used to fear was the p47 or the p51 flown by a pilot that flew them the way they were supposed to fly. Spitfires were always easy as they only stay low and turn and burn. Just dive and get a snapshot and he is down and if he turns for you, just zoomclimb up. Tje p51 and the p47 and sometimes the p38s were the ones that gave me the feeling that this is going to be difficult. As a 190 pilot ONLY I must agree that I felt sorry for the reds when I took lots of hits and could still go strong. I remember once, having to run away from a p51 down low, and low on energy(stupied I know) and he kept pumping lead into my 190 and she kept going. Sure, she went slower and slower but she got me home. The p51 wasted all his ammo on me before he gave up, so I must admit that im glad that the 0.50s have been upped a bit in 4.02. its gonna hurt, but seem more real!

FatBoyHK
10-22-2005, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Von_Rat:
p51 is very bouncy for me. hard to aim at any speed.

Yes, it is difficult to work for a tracking shot.... I solve the problem by going for snap shot instead. But indeed, if the bandit is turning all day long I don't have any good way to kill him. Aiming while turning is a quite impossible now.

heywooood
10-22-2005, 04:01 PM
What? ...no complaining about the 'OiO' (Oleg induced ocillations)???

Its a conspiracy I tells ya's
oooh! I haven't flown the Dora yet..cya.

FatBoyHK
10-22-2005, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
Uhhh, You must have gotten a different patch than me. The .50's are hardly Uber. Especially when using the 4gun Mustang III.

It is definitely imporved.... one pass kill is finally possible.... If I can land 10 hits, it will almost guarantee me a smoking engine or a severed control cable.... you can't do anything close to it in v401.

Fish6891
10-22-2005, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Von_Rat:
p51 is very bouncy for me. hard to aim at any speed.

Yes, it is difficult to work for a tracking shot.... I solve the problem by going for snap shot instead. But indeed, if the bandit is turning all day long I don't have any good way to kill him. Aiming while turning is a quite impossible now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You is teh wrong, P51 is easy to aim at any speed, and that includes during turn-fights, but how would you know anything about that in particular Fatboy? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

P51 is a great plane now, imo its because it doesnt have the insane E-Bleed it use to b4 this patch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regardless the Ta152 steals the Mustangs lunch, then kicks its a$$, and dates its sister, all simultaneously AND without noticing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kuna15
10-22-2005, 04:15 PM
I just played a couple of QMBs in P-40_M-105P against several different types and that plane rocks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif To be specific .50cal HMGs on that VVS plane rocks. Tracers (correct would be to say bullet stream, but it is easier to say tracer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) are just like on Hurricane... desynchronised http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

.50cal is IMO probably the best ww2 fighter weapon, and in game it is good too. If it gets desynchronised on all M2 equipped planes it will be even better IMHO.

Kwiatos
10-22-2005, 04:22 PM
Its pity to say but P-51 in 4.02 is still unusefull plane. Its springing nose cause impossible good aiming. 0,50 are not so good to be enought effectivnes with such hard aiming. Below 7 km no chance to fight with Bf 109. At lower alt is possible to fight with Fw 190 get its 6 but its very hard to hit such manouverable target. If there are more Fw190 you are dead before you shot down enemy. Fw190 during defensive manouvers make crazy rolls which casue strange-unnatural lags and there is not many chance to hit hard target.
P-47 is more stable in aiming but still have too weak roll rate at high speed. Even A6M have better roll rate. So B&Z in P-47 is still not like should be due to its poor roll rate at high speed which cause hard to aim manouvering target.

So still only resonable plane to be effective against german planes are Spitfire. My experience from Warclouds server clearly show that in Spitfire i have the best kill ratio. I used mostly B&Z and Spitfire is for me much more effective in these tactic then P-51 or P47 which is simple not accurate. I would like to fly P-51 and P-47 and use B&Z tactic like i did in 3.04 version but with actually FM in 4.02 is just masochism.

And of course Dora Nine actually is the King.

FatBoyHK
10-22-2005, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Fish6891:

You is teh wrong, P51 is easy to aim at any speed, and that includes during turn-fights, but how would you know anything about that in particular Fatboy? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

P51 is a great plane now, imo its because it doesnt have the insane E-Bleed it use to b4 this patch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regardless the Ta152 steals the Mustangs lunch, then kicks its a$$, and dates its sister, all simultaneously AND without noticing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

well, try to keep you BS in your wet dreams, that is all I wanna say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ploughman
10-22-2005, 05:06 PM
I don't really do P-51 but it seems to me to be less effective against late Lufties than Spit VIIIs and IXs, even up high (+20,000). The Mk III's nice down low though.

Still. HK Fatboy seems to be able to make it sing so perhaps I lack the 'touch' when it comes to the Cadillac of the skies.

Fish6891
10-22-2005, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fish6891:

You is teh wrong, P51 is easy to aim at any speed, and that includes during turn-fights, but how would you know anything about that in particular Fatboy? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

P51 is a great plane now, imo its because it doesnt have the insane E-Bleed it use to b4 this patch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regardless the Ta152 steals the Mustangs lunch, then kicks its a$$, and dates its sister, all simultaneously AND without noticing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

well, try to keep you BS in your wet dreams, that is all I wanna say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know I'm 19 and I've never had one of those? Kind of makes me wonder what they're like http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ok regardless, wheres P1ngu when you need him?

P1nguuu! If you read this, post the pic for FatBoy, you know which one!


P.S. I wasn't bsing Fatboy, sure its more wobbly than b4 but it is FAR from impossible or even difficult to aim, and the Ta-152 is imho significantly superior to the Mustangs in several aspects.

TC_Stele
10-22-2005, 09:29 PM
Stang is a bit easier to fly now especially with any needed sharp turns along with its maintained speed. The aiming is almost near impossible, though. Just way too much wobbling even as I creep up on someone as close as .3

p1ngu666
10-22-2005, 11:04 PM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//8oooooo.wmv guess u mean that one fish http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//mk3stang007.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//mk3stang012.jpg

go with this thread aswell i guess

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//b25atnight.jpg

pic of p51 stablemate, returning after a op for 2 group, me at the controls http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//newbombsite2.jpg

target getting pranged http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

FatBoyHK
10-22-2005, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Fish6891:
You know I'm 19 and I've never had one of those? Kind of makes me wonder what they're like http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

P.S. I wasn't bsing Fatboy, sure its more wobbly than b4 but it is FAR from impossible or even difficult to aim, and the Ta-152 is imho significantly superior to the Mustangs in several aspects.

Yes I know, I think you would like this kind of response.... you like nice?

and indeed it is not easy to pull a steady lead.... but on the other hand, it is rock solid is you don't pull any G, even at very high speed, provided that you trim it right. I adapted to this change by doing more snap shot and less tracking shot.

Fish6891
10-23-2005, 01:49 AM
Lmao, nah I didnt mean that 1 P1ngu, I meant the Orgasmic Focke-Wulf pic, the black and white one? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HayateAce
10-23-2005, 02:06 AM
Fishnuts9987,

Like your predecessor LimpWristo, I encourage you to investigate the possibility of getting a life.

Fish6891
10-23-2005, 03:04 AM
Hmm...

You know HayateAce, judging by the amount of time effort you put into trying to annoy people on these forums, and also by the large number of posts you have for the short amount of time you've been registered to these forums, I can probably say with a high degree of accuracy that it is YOU who not only desperately needs to get a life, but probably also needs to seek some emotional nurturing, something is obviously and acutely wrong with you.

Perhaps mummy can make it better?

p1ngu666
10-23-2005, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Fish6891:
Lmao, nah I didnt mean that 1 P1ngu, I meant the Orgasmic Focke-Wulf pic, the black and white one? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//fish190.jpg

soz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Friendly_flyer
10-23-2005, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Kwiatos:
I used mostly B&Z and Spitfire is for me much more effective in these tactic then P-51 or P47 which is simple not accurate.

Well, that‚‚ā¨ôs hardly surprising, as the Spitfire is generally considered a very good fighter, perhaps the best fighter of WWII. The P-47 and P-51 was bout adequate fighters (which they have been for the last few patches, and still are), but their best feature was their long legs, a feature that doesn't matter in the game.

Bremspropeller
10-23-2005, 12:17 PM
The best fighter of WW2 was the P.11 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

MEGILE
10-23-2005, 12:26 PM
What's all this "the new best" business? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Kwiatos
10-23-2005, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kwiatos:
I used mostly B&Z and Spitfire is for me much more effective in these tactic then P-51 or P47 which is simple not accurate.

Well, that‚‚ā¨ôs hardly surprising, as the Spitfire is generally considered a very good fighter, perhaps the best fighter of WWII. The P-47 and P-51 was bout adequate fighters (which they have been for the last few patches, and still are), but their best feature was their long legs, a feature that doesn't matter in the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Spitfire was very good dogfigher expecially in close fight but P-47 and P-51 should be better in B&Z tactics beacuse were faster and have better high speed handling. But in our game these planes are not so effective in B&Z due to hard aiming and not so good high speed handling (p-47) which casue that their 0,50 are not so deadly.

p1ngu666
10-23-2005, 03:07 PM
spit has better turn,climb, firepower equal/better really.

p47/p51 are faster (but slower accel probably) worse in turn, better in roll but not hugely probably. better dive accel

Fish6891
10-23-2005, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fish6891:
Lmao, nah I didnt mean that 1 P1ngu, I meant the Orgasmic Focke-Wulf pic, the black and white one? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//fish190.jpg

soz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats the one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

D-Humphrey
10-24-2005, 01:32 AM
I used to fly the P-51 for quite awhile and then one morning I woke up and said lets fly a challenging plane....So I took up the P-47. Yup been flying that since 4.01....not long mind you but for awhile. Been trying to hang with the Spits and LA-7's....those are ugly fights unless I can get some help. I normally have my lunch handed to me with those.....However the 109 group and FW group I can hold my own, normally surviving 75-80% of the time. I can work over the P-51 as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The Ki's, I can hang with them as well....the Zeke's I have to resort to B&Z and can hang if I come in with height on them...if level, they have the edge.

So, with all that being said...I challenge you all to get out of your comfort zone and try a plane that you know you can beat and see if you can do any better in it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WOLFMondo
10-24-2005, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
The P-47 and P-51 was bout adequate fighters (which they have been for the last few patches, and still are), but their best feature was their long legs, a feature that doesn't matter in the game.

Maybe for you but I can empty 75% fuel from either of these planes on a DF server simply cruising about. Really depends on your style of flying, I don't rush and turn and burn so I need allot of fuel to get high and cruise, run and regain my height. An hour at 90-100% throttle will eat up all there fuel.

And the Mustang MkIII is the new best.

I actually prefer its flying characteristics to any other plane currently, even the mighty Dora which is a dream to fly compared with those sluggish allied planes...apart from the Mustang MkIII.

RoadHawk_334th
10-24-2005, 04:32 AM
yea i was fling the D-20 on our server last night, damm i out climbred a yak3p with dammae to my right wing and somkoe pooring out of the left, and a fuel leak, damm i got up to 6000m, heh and blew him away, tho 5 mins later i ran outa fuel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. i was surprised also i was ju,mping focke wolfs, and spliting them in half with ease. i think i found a new favorit.

Vipez-
10-24-2005, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
The P-51 is still good, but i've tried the 109's lately and my God! Are they the new Yak3? You can do anything with them.
eeh... No?


anyways, P51 is good, allways have been, I don't think it has changed really, top speeds are the same, climb is the same.. however overall Gunnery has become harder in 4.02M imho at low speeds, it means P51D is one of the planes having advantage ,when flying at high speeds, where it's very stable plane. Sure, aiming is hard 200 mph, but so is with every other plane.. So use the speed.

Kwiatos
10-24-2005, 05:48 AM
Sry Vipez but even at high speed aiming in P-51 is horror. And for me P-51 is the same like before in 4.01 (climb,speed, turn) just before was unstable when firing 0,50 now is wobbling during aiming (manouvers). Now and before is nonsense.

AFJ_rsm
10-24-2005, 06:04 AM
after pondering for minutes about how to make a worthy contribution to this forum, based on down to earth facts, no fanboyism or biased opinions, i came up with the following response:

"mustang = teh suck"

danjama
10-24-2005, 06:26 AM
The D20NA is definately a better fighter now. Especially when u have her high and fast. 6000m she isvery effective. This becomes even more true when in a full real environment where u have visual advantage (with alt) and the enemy below is not really paying attention. Bounce becomes so easy on WClouds because the stang is a good, solid plane. Like it should be IMO. After running a coop with P40's last night i find they are very very solid planes, and their roll rate seems to have improved again. Nice plane. Good for Zooming and Turning. Ive been learning the 51 for a while now thanks to the help of Maple, and im glad i did because its a very rewarding plane to fight and win in. Same goes for the P47. They are very similar to fly, the Jug is just heavier.

p1ngu666
10-24-2005, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by Vipez-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
The P-51 is still good, but i've tried the 109's lately and my God! Are they the new Yak3? You can do anything with them.
eeh... No?


anyways, P51 is good, allways have been, I don't think it has changed really, top speeds are the same, climb is the same.. however overall Gunnery has become harder in 4.02M imho at low speeds, it means P51D is one of the planes having advantage ,when flying at high speeds, where it's very stable plane. Sure, aiming is hard 200 mph, but so is with every other plane.. So use the speed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yak3 handles worse than 109 now imo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif