View Full Version : I don't feel embarrassed playing this sim anymore (Post-reformat philosophising)

01-19-2007, 06:28 PM
For the past week my computer has been in bits on the floor after the motherboard died. In this time, I've had an unexpected change of attitude towards this sim.

I love aeroplanes. I always have. But I couldn't help feeling there was something a bit morbid about making a game out of such wholesale slaughter as world war 2. I'm sure many of you know the feeling. Trying to reconcile your love of aviation with the grim purpose that these machines had. I don't talk about this sim to friends much. They don't really understand the attraction. And when I refer to WW2 aircraft, I usually say "aircraft of the 1940's". It dosen't do to have your hobby assosciated with the biggest war in human history. Makes you seem a bit weird.

So I would particiate in this WW2 sim pretty much every day in some way or another. Whether it would be playing online or offline, arsing about on these forums, making bad skins or whatever. Over the years, I probably lost touch a bit with what other people do at home in the evenings. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

This week I think I got a crash-course in modern popular culture. I experienced commercial television for the first time in ages.

I was stunned by the cruelty and brutality that is passed off as entertainment, every single night of the week. Scores of imported murder shows, each trying to out do the others for the level of depravity and horror of the crimes. You get traumatised rape victims recounting their brutal assualt for the titilation of the audience at home. Kids are getting carved up and molested every which-way. There are locally produced shows as well, which pathetically try to mimic these overseas offerings by matching them for their inclusion of such colosseum bloodsport.
It's like snuff-movies for the masses. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

And here was me feeling bad for liking world war 2 aircraft!

Well, my computer is back up and running now. In the future, if I need to decide whether I want to go online and play what is essentially a highly stylised game of tag with similar, airminded people from all over the world. Or instead, sit down with the rest of the nation and watch as a couple of sexy coroners flirt outrageously as they remove a half digested human foetus from the stomach of a dead serial killer..... I don't think I'll have much trouble hitting the "fly" button anymore!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">



"Intelligent, normally observant and answered all questions freely. He was arrogant and proud to be a pilot. Fellow prisoners in hospital consider him mentally unstable."

01-19-2007, 06:41 PM
Of course you could take the completely anodyne course and only use FSX and only fly UN food transports to places in Africa! My artist, writer, Lefty friends consider my sims blood lust to be an aberation of an already completely depraved Hunter Thompson-esque mind, and give it no more thought. I hooked a film director friend into my flight equipment and plugged him into IL-2 and the next thing I knew he was shooting up civilian habitations and blasting everything in sight. What's the old aphorism? "He had two choices: be a mass-murderer or an artist"! I was probably the only person who was going to the University of California, Berkeley, in 1970 who was reading naval history in the library.

I see TV in Australia is just as depraved and fatuous as in the USA. Too bad about that. I am bored stiff by the same thing on all the channels every night---crime---or, the only variation, a bunch of burly morons quarreling and building motorcycles. The national IQ has never been so low.

01-19-2007, 06:51 PM
I agree.

Sesame Street has gone to new lows recently.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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01-20-2007, 12:34 AM
What's a TV? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-20-2007, 01:48 AM
'Been watching "I Claudius" again, eh?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-20-2007, 03:09 AM
ROME will do! (OK, not everything is awful.)

01-20-2007, 03:52 AM
Aye, Rome is a good un. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I claudius gave me nightmares when I was a kid. Weird thing I read about these TV snuff shows though, is the viewers are mostly women.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">



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01-20-2007, 04:18 AM
It shouldn't surprise you all then that recent stat's show more and more people are turning to the internet for entertainment and news rather then sitting in front of the idiot box. I for one are 100% agreed with Feathered_IV, I can't stand TV now days, it bores the hell out of me, it's the same **** on every channel.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


01-20-2007, 04:44 AM
My roommate bought some DVDs for the winter vocation.After watching some of them ,he said to me :"I have to stop. There are too much crime.I am worried about my psychological health."He was oppressed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

01-20-2007, 04:47 AM
Yeah, those Disney movies scare the h**l off me, too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

01-20-2007, 04:52 AM
an aberation of an already completely depraved Hunter Thompson-esque mind

I have one of those too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I guess Hunter was one of the most peaceful men I ever heard of - though he might have felt offended by that - but he wasn't about to be sidetracked into the mind-numbing apathy and sterility of conventional views. I can understand a guy wanting to go into his back-yard and blow off a few rounds from a very large handgun, as he was reported to do occasionally. The neighbours would be shocked and outraged of course, but it's surely not as shocking as sitting home watching the kind of 24/7 **** that Feathered describes.

I don't get out much due to this damned disability, but there's more to it than that. It ain't so much fear - but more a loathing of the society that we've become. I don't want to go out in a country that has jerks like this one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6281487.stm) in it. I am incommunicado, not 'at home' and very definitely 'out to lunch'! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


01-20-2007, 09:05 AM
I'm not ready to call all of television trash quite yet. Regardless of the fact that I think its about reached its "jumped the shark" moment, I still feel like The Office (either the british or american version, take you pick) is one of the great comedies of the last decade. By and large, the "joke's on us", as its a relatively straightfoward satire of white collar corporate life, but I still find it very amusing.

Also, astonishingly enough, american television networks are offering more educational and informational programming than ever. My TiVo gets its daily exercise chewing on episodes of my favorite shows on FoodTV, History Channel, Military Channel, DIY channel. "Dogfights" is high in the running for my favorite TV show. I have 4 major passions outside of work and family: aviation, WW2 era world history, cooking, and american football. Never before that I can remember has a TV been able to churn out programming on all those subjects 24/7. TiVo makes it even more painless, as those annoying commercials and the time they drain away from my schedule go bye-bye.

As for the prime time bread and circuses you get out of the major networks, well, they've never held any appeal for me, Also, as far back as I can remember, they really haven't changed much. When I was a kid, it was my parents watching Dallas to find out who shot JR. Now, its my friends and coworkers tuning in to see a shot of some fat-ish bald policeman's naked buttocks on NYPD blue, or to watch CSI (which my friend calls "50 Ways to Kill You Lover"). I'm sure some segments of the Patricians were looking at the gladiatorial games of ancient Rome the same way we look at these shows now, and they certainly seem to appeal to the same thirsts in the human psyche.

I still catch my fair share of flak from my friends (the same ones watching 24 by the bucketload) when they find out that I spend between 5 and 10 hours per week flying combat sorties over 1940s Europe in front of a computer. They laugh when I describe my setup (an x52, CH pedals, and a trackIR3), and I think they mainly find the idea of video gaming childish.

But my generation grew up on video games, just as the generation prior to mine grew up on TV. My older sis and I had an Atari 2600 in the house by the time I was 5-6 years old as well as a Commodore 64. Not much has changed in 24-25 years, either. Today, I'm a professional software developer. And though my wife and I don't have kids (unless you count our two 65lb boxer-bulldog mixes, which we do), you can still find one of the latest gen gaming consoles, a Nintendo Wii, sitting in my family room. The really funny thing is that the Wii gets 95% of its use when we have friends over and have opened several bottles of wine.

Whether I get flak for it or not, I'm a gamer. I'm an interacter. I can (and do) passively absorb other forms of media like books and TV and movies in smaller doses, but I prefer to interact. I prefer to have to mentally and physically engage with my passtimes. Whether I do it by playing a first person shooter, or by flying a 109, or by playing drunken Wii tennis, thats just what I prefer.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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01-20-2007, 09:42 AM
Feathered, great post and I agree 100%. I don't really watch commercial TV, but I am amazed when it is on here that you can flip channel by channel, and see nothing but the kind of **** you are describing. How did things get to this point, and where is there left to go?

01-20-2007, 11:06 AM
I've never been that concerned about this sim, first person shooters are far more popular and more blood thristy, in the end it's a game no worse and in fact probably less violent than some sports. If people did actually die in this game, or even just got banned from ever playing it again if they got got virtually killed, then people would fly a whole lot differently to how they do now.

You may find also this documentary on the psychological effect of killing and warfate interesting.

01-20-2007, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
ROME will do! (OK, not everything is awful.) rome is the roxer<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-20-2007, 11:22 AM
I agree here. I usually work until the late hours, and when I do get back I have just enough time to eat dinner and then fly with my squad mates. Other nights I may go out to Starbucks and read up on aviation related books.

Out of the blue I'll see whats on tv, and flip through the channels. I have to agree, the content is horrible. I can't watch any of that stuff for more than 3 mins. Even the reality shows are terrible.

There are only a few shows I watch, and people may laugh at me, and thats some of the shows on Disney Channel. Yeah, they're for kids, but they're the cleanest things out there right now. Just because I grew up doesn't mean I want to watch 58 variations of Tom, **** and Harry.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


01-20-2007, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV

Weird thing I read about these TV snuff shows though, is the viewers are mostly women.

In the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution, English observers at the guillotinings said there were more women than men there to watch, and that they were baying like wolves for blood. Kipling was right, the female is deadlier than the male! Ask John Bobbitt.

I understand the "internal migration" you describe, Brando, and your disgust for cretins like that pol.

01-20-2007, 11:45 AM
Rome FTW!

Or is it Deadwood? Now there's a show with a sense of humour.


Me and 'her' old man connected when I showed him this game. He has a secret love of aviation, I knew it when I found a 1950s copy of Knocke's "I Flew for teh Fuhrer" on his shelves a few years ago, but within minutes we were talking turn rates and the fidelity of modeling and the limitations of the genre and all that stuff. Il 2 Stumo, bringing folk together.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Dum spiro, spero

01-20-2007, 11:46 AM
Casanova attended to Damiens's execution -a poor insane guy that had attempted to assassinate King Louis XV of France. His right hand was tied to the dagger he had used, and burnt in a fire. Then they grabbed pieces of flesh from his breast, arms, thighs and legs, and poured melt sulphur and lead in the wounds. Finally, they tied his limbs to four horses which struggled for a long time -and needed the help of a surgeon- to make the poor guy quarters. Finally he was thrown to a fire -it is said that he still lived- and got his ashes blown by the wind.

Well, the show had to be horrible, even for the hardened men of then, but Casanova tells that there were some young women there who were so excited with the thing, that a friend of his could quietly 'do things' to them while Damiens yelled in the scaffold.

01-20-2007, 11:50 AM
You can always pull at a funeral Dux, same then, same now.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Dum spiro, spero

01-20-2007, 11:54 AM
I seldom watch briadcast TV. With DVR technology I just let it record the shows I like and watch them at my leisure sans commercials. For stuff my local cable provider doesn't provide There are websites, RSS feeds and bittorrent--and no, I don't mean ripping off illegal copies--many TV series openly publish torrents of aired episodes a week or two after they air. I just grab those.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-20-2007, 12:21 PM
I just use my TV to watch News and Opinion shows. The rest of my free time I spent flying either IRL or on the PC and going to the bar and talking to people, that's a lot more fun a social then sitting with your spouse in front of the television silently watching drivel while your arteries clog up. Atleast I am actively clogging up mine!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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