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ROSS_Youss
11-29-2004, 10:53 AM
Enjoy!

http://www.archakov.com/MG/Compare/il2c_v25_pf302.rar

NorrisMcWhirter
11-29-2004, 10:59 AM
Hi,

As the Krankies would say, 'Fandabedozee'

Cheers for a top tool. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers,
Norris

Bogun
11-29-2004, 12:08 PM
Thank you very much, Youss!
Great utility!

faustnik
11-29-2004, 12:29 PM
Thank you very much! Love this program! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Marek_Steele
11-29-2004, 12:37 PM
Has anyone noticed the tempest?

Kannaksen_hanu
11-29-2004, 01:10 PM
OMG! Tempest roll-rate is undermodeled!

xTHRUDx
11-29-2004, 01:11 PM
thank you, thank you, thank you.

faustnik
11-29-2004, 01:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marek_Steele:
Has anyone noticed the tempest? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Nice!

Willey
11-29-2004, 01:32 PM
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Cyrano
11-29-2004, 02:20 PM
Thank you.

NorrisMcWhirter
11-29-2004, 02:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marek_Steele:
Has anyone noticed the tempest? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep...I also noticed the Beau is missing unless it's under some other designation.

Cheers,
Norris

Snoop_Baron
11-29-2004, 02:36 PM
ROSS_Youss thank you very much for your effort, I really like your program and find it very useful.

Regards,
Snoop

joeap
11-29-2004, 02:41 PM
Thanks kindly.

wojtek_m
11-29-2004, 02:41 PM
Thank you for by far the BEST utility for il2!

Manos1
11-29-2004, 02:45 PM
Youss,

T H A N K S !!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have been wating for this post since August!

~S~

Manos

269GA-Maxmars
11-29-2004, 02:59 PM
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Thanks Youss!!!

joeap
11-29-2004, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marek_Steele:
Has anyone noticed the tempest? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, and the TBF and TBM and B5N, but no Betty (G4M?) or Beaufighter as Norris said.

EFG_beber
11-29-2004, 04:16 PM
Thanks Youss http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

BlitzPig_DDT
11-29-2004, 05:47 PM
Thanks for the new version. A very nice app indeed.

One question, how accurate is this regarding player FMs in the game?

NorrisMcWhirter
11-29-2004, 05:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Thanks for the new version. A very nice app indeed.

One question, how accurate is this regarding player FMs in the game? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


In another thread, Korolov said that the data in this app reflects aircraft performance with no fuel/ammo and in perfect atmospheric conditions.

I've seen charts in ORR showing discrepancies between Il-2 compare and data obtained using devicelink but I can't recall whether the data was obtained from FB2.04 which I believe that last version was 'made for'

So, in short, I always treat it as 'for indication only' rather than it having a full 'calibration certificate' but that's not to demean it's position of being one of the best support tools for Il-2 nor the fact that information obtained from this tool has saved my bacon on many occasions!

Cheers,
Norris

Bearcat99
11-29-2004, 06:35 PM
Added to the Essentials thread.

p1ngu666
11-29-2004, 06:37 PM
aye norris, its very good for that, which is what i use it for http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

many thanks youss, your work is much appeciated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ps, would u like me the mirror the file? just say if u want me too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sig.Hirsch
11-29-2004, 06:55 PM
Yea , thx a lot Youss ,i was waiting for it since weeks , it's a sort of bible of FB , good job mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hunde_3.JG51
11-29-2004, 07:21 PM
THANK YOU!

Fish6891
11-29-2004, 11:07 PM
Heyyyyy, how can u test the Tempest when we dont have it yet???

Lanaaja_
11-30-2004, 01:35 AM
Thanks Youss!

Cajun76
11-30-2004, 03:09 AM
Thank you! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hans_Philipp
11-30-2004, 03:24 AM
Thank you! Great program!

I was wondering, though, what is the additional charts tab supposed to contain?

It would be cool if we had all the dimensions and could make our own charts (speed, altitude, ROC, turn rate etc.)!

Saying that I just thought-Could the data sheets somehow be manipulated by Excel?

RocketDog
11-30-2004, 04:31 AM
Thank you, Youss. This is an incredibly useful bit of software. Very much appreciated.

Regards,

RocketDog.

JtD
11-30-2004, 08:24 AM
Thanks a lot, Youss. You made my day...well...week. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

No complaint, but some of the info is a little outdated (Hurricane Mk.I, Spit IX). Is there a chance you give it a update in the near future?
Thx again, even if you don't. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
11-30-2004, 09:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans_Philipp:
Thank you! Great program!

I was wondering, though, what is the additional charts tab supposed to contain?

It would be cool if we had all the dimensions and could make our own charts (speed, altitude, ROC, turn rate etc.)!

Saying that I just thought-Could the data sheets somehow be manipulated by Excel? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

I suspect the blank tab is just a joke; a little bit like the missing stuff out of Newview ...there will no doubt be people who mess around with the interface trying to get something to display on the tab...which may raise a titter or two.

Yes, you can view the data in Excel and it's actually nice to use that to view the data in slightly different ways. I've used it to overlay the max TAS of different planes against my usual rides so I can, at a glance, know if the joker stands a chance of catching me if I temporarily disengage (very useful with all these new planes).

Cheers,
norris

ROSS_Youss
11-30-2004, 05:37 PM
Additional charts include two charts - "Max sustained G-Load" and "Fan Plot".

Fan Plot - mean 3 charts in one - andle-speed/speed, G-load/speed, Turn-radius/speed.

This page is not available in free version, only in personal.

All info about personal you can ask Bogun - my English too bad for this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

P.S. for whinners - i not want money. I exchange Personal to paper photos "Best place in my town."

Snoop_Baron
11-30-2004, 08:43 PM
Bogun, please explain http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I'll be more than happy to send some photos http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cyrano
11-30-2004, 09:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans_Philipp:
Thank you! Great program!

I was wondering, though, what is the additional charts tab supposed to contain?

It would be cool if we had all the dimensions and could make our own charts (speed, altitude, ROC, turn rate etc.)!

Saying that I just thought-Could the data sheets somehow be manipulated by Excel? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

I suspect the blank tab is just a joke; a little bit like the missing stuff out of Newview ...there will no doubt be people who mess around with the interface trying to get something to display on the tab...which may raise a titter or two.

Yes, you can view the data in Excel and it's actually nice to use that to view the data in slightly different ways. I've used it to overlay the max TAS of different planes against my usual rides so I can, at a glance, know if the joker stands a chance of catching me if I temporarily disengage (very useful with all these new planes).

Cheers,
norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Norris,

Could you please explain how you do this.

Thx.

TX-Gunslinger
11-30-2004, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Thanks for the new version. A very nice app indeed.

One question, how accurate is this regarding player FMs in the game? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


In another thread, Korolov said that the data in this app reflects aircraft performance with no fuel/ammo and in perfect atmospheric conditions.

I've seen charts in ORR showing discrepancies between Il-2 compare and data obtained using devicelink but I can't recall whether the data was obtained from FB2.04 which I believe that last version was 'made for'

So, in short, I always treat it as 'for indication only' rather than it having a full 'calibration certificate' but that's not to demean it's position of being one of the best support tools for Il-2 nor the fact that information obtained from this tool has saved my bacon on many occasions!

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Noted. However with that said, ALL planes are given the same conditions, therefore the relative comparisons between fighter A/C are very germane.

My experience over the last week, utilizing UDP graph to collect data, primarly from 44 FW-190D9 and FW-190 A9, was spot on to IL2C. It should be. Il2C utilizes the fixed (non-changing) inputs to a physics based model with a rather limited set of finite results (when compared to the real world). Therefore relative performance charateristics are known outcomes. Since no two A/C will ever engage each other in dissimilar environments, the comparisons will be spot on, with minor differences in loadouts.

I'm not sure of the source of your DeviceLink data, (I assume it's just fine) however, it is VERY easy to misinterpret the packet outputs due to some errors in DeviceLink documentations.

A good example is the angular_speed (38) packet. The docs desribe this as a floating point variable, output in deg./s or degrees per second. In actuality it's radians/sec. Big, big difference. When I first analyzed turn rate a few days ago, I thought that I'd stumbled on data which indicated issues with IL2 Compare. After analysis, I discovered the radians instead of degree issue.

In any event, I'm simply trying to say: For relative comparisons sake, IL2C is a great, very accurate labor saving tool for comparing relative A/C performance. I don't believe extensive time and effort spent collecting data over DeviceLink is going to reveal significant information that will change performance conclusions drawn on IL2C charts. It's not like we are collecting instrumented data from a real A/C operating in the "real world" with it's near infinite variations. We're collecting data from a simulation.

So far, my efforts (maybe I'm just tired) reveal that I'd have better spent my time flying, after getting my results from IL2C.

Thanks ROSS Youss ..... you're the MAN! I've been waiting for this, but did'nt expect it for some time. This is a very nice surprise indeed. Now I can quit testing, look at the new performance in compare, and go back to FLYING! Thank you again. I'm free!!!!

Zmir88IAP
12-02-2004, 05:49 AM
Big THX! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
12-02-2004, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cyrano:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans_Philipp:
Thank you! Great program!

I was wondering, though, what is the additional charts tab supposed to contain?

It would be cool if we had all the dimensions and could make our own charts (speed, altitude, ROC, turn rate etc.)!

Saying that I just thought-Could the data sheets somehow be manipulated by Excel? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

I suspect the blank tab is just a joke; a little bit like the missing stuff out of Newview ...there will no doubt be people who mess around with the interface trying to get something to display on the tab...which may raise a titter or two.

Yes, you can view the data in Excel and it's actually nice to use that to view the data in slightly different ways. I've used it to overlay the max TAS of different planes against my usual rides so I can, at a glance, know if the joker stands a chance of catching me if I temporarily disengage (very useful with all these new planes).

Cheers,
norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Norris,

Could you please explain how you do this.

Thx. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

OK, this is how I did it (quick and dirty) (assuming you are fairly familiar with Excel):

a. Open Excel.
b. Go into the 'DataSpeed' folder
c. Drag onto Excel the XXXXX_speed.txt files of the aircraft you wish to compare. (just choose 3 for now)
d. Excel should 3 worksheets now with some numbers in. If you chose the FW-190A-5_speed.txt file, for example, the worksheet tab will have the name 'FW-190A-5_speed'...
e. Column A has the altitude in km and column B has the max (boosted) speed. Column D has the unboosted speed, I think.
f. Highlight columns C, D and E (either in turn or by holding left button down and moving mouse across them) by clicking on the bar "buttons" above them..and press 'delete'. You should just now have column A and B populated.
g. Go to another worksheet and select column B by clicking on the 'B' at the top of the column.
h. Press CTRL+C to copy. Selection should have a dotted border.
i. Go back to original sheet, click on 'C' above C column and press CTRL-V (paste). Column C should now have some data in it.
j. Repeat for final worksheet but obviously paste this into column D.
k. Click on the '1' for row 1, go to insert on the toolbar and select 'insert row'. All the data should have now moved down by one.
l. In cell A1, type 'Alt'.
m. In cell A2, type '190A5' (if this is what it was)
n. Repeat for A3 and A4 but insert correct plane names for the data you copied.
o. Use mouse to select columns A through D as in step f.
p. Click on the 'chart' icon or go 'insert->chart'
q. The chart dialog should appear. Select 'X Y Scatter' then, for this example, the uppermost chart.
r. Press the 'press and hold to view sample' button. You should see a preview of the chart and it should look like what you'd see in Il-2 compare but rotated 90 degrees clockwise (it's not, actually, but you'll get the idea)
s. Follow the chart wizard just by pressing 'next' then 'finish' when you run out of 'next' options.

You should now have a very simple chart in excel of the speed comparison along with a legend for the data etc. You can manipulate the axes by double clicking on them etc.

Just play about with it and see where you get.

Cheers,
Norris

Diablo310th
12-02-2004, 12:32 PM
Youss....thanks alot. I have been using your program for a long time. this will be a welcome addition. Like Gunny said it's all relative. Like him I have used this to save my butt more than once by using it as refernce to various ac abilities. ~S~

Cyrano
12-02-2004, 01:19 PM
Thanks for the info Norris ^

Jaws2002
12-04-2004, 10:49 AM
Thank you Sir!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

pettera
12-04-2004, 11:39 AM
What is a rar-file? How do you use the file il2c_v25_pf302.rar? Please explain.

Petter

VW-IceFire
12-04-2004, 02:28 PM
Google: WinRAR and download the shareware version. That'll do the trick.

On another note...how does this software work? Where does the data come from? Obviously, my interest in loading it up was to check the Tempest V. Which has some wrong values that rather stick out at me. The sea level speed performance (and low alt in general) being quite odd...even if its a relative comparison, it has the Spitfire VIII's outperforming the Tempest at low alt. I'm not going to whine...that would be wrong http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, but if I were to say anything more substantive I would produce the documents that I have that suggest its not correct...but I know that the Tempest isn't yet in the game so its hard to say exactly what the final values are and therefore I just am curious on where the data comes from. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Still a neat program! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

robban75
12-04-2004, 03:16 PM
The IL2 compare is strange. Topspeeds aren't accurate. Planes in are general faster in game than what the compare shows.

In game the La-7 is 12km/h faster than the compare, the D-9 is 9km/h faster, the I-185 is
12km/h faster and so on. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif