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ceswiedler
07-07-2007, 10:29 PM
I hadn't played a flight sim since I was a kid, but I thought I'd pick up a joystick and IL-2 1946 and try it out. Unfortunately it's been very frustrating for me so far.

The array of missions is rather overwhelming, and doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I think it's partly because this game includes so many expansion packs that any sense of "where to start" is lost.

I 'played' some of the training missions, by which I mean I watched a recording of someone else taking off, landing, etc. Is there any way to actually fly these missions? I can't find anything in between recording training missions and full-on missions where there's basically no explanation of what's going on.

I understand that IL-2 is a realistic simulation, and I'm not looking for an 'arcade mode'. But I need some way to learn the basics! Any help would be appreciated.

Cajun76
07-07-2007, 10:55 PM
First off, welcome to IL2!

A Nugget's Guide To Getting Off The Ground.. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9121094645)

Sticked near the top. Good place to start, and any specific questions can be readily answered by helpful forumites.

If your pressed for time, start with the paragraph just above <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Preflight</span>.

Hope this helps, good luck and

GIAP.Shura
07-08-2007, 03:17 AM
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Don't worry. A lot of people feel overwhelmed at first. The nugget's guide is full of tons of useful stuff and if you have any specific questions, just ask in here. There seems to be an expert/obsessive/lunatic for nearly every plane in here.

Also, check out the difficulty options and find out what each one does, so you can play at a level you are comfortable with. I would recommend keeping all of the flight options as real as possible though.

dbillo
07-09-2007, 02:35 AM
Something you might look into:

http://joint-ops.com/joil2fb/default.asp

They have an online flight school. Very highly recommended.

ceswiedler
07-09-2007, 03:50 PM
A related question: it seems that all training missions are just recordings. Is there any training you can do where you actually DO the stuff you see? For example, the IL-2 training looks very neat, you can go bomb a motionless convoy. How can I try it myself?

I've installed ZeusCat's campaigns but haven't tried them yet (posting from work ATM). I noticed that there's both training and 'real' missions. Do the real missions correspond 1-to-1 with the training missions? Am I supposed to watch the recorded mission and then go try it myself?

Crash_Moses
07-09-2007, 04:13 PM
There seems to be an expert/obsessive/lunatic for nearly every plane in here.

Ain't that the truth... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

SBD-3, Val, and B-25 here...any others...um...don't ask me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Taylortony
07-09-2007, 04:26 PM
This may help you a lot.....

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/ (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Echapman/il2guide/)

but stick with it, its one of those games you will stay with for years to come...... after all look at us lot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif we have.......

I can remember the days when Crash_Moses was just an accident waiting to happen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Zeus-cat
07-09-2007, 04:40 PM
The game does not have training missions; that is why I made my campaign. The tracks are all that come with the game and there are no corresponding missions to try after watching a track.

okb001
07-09-2007, 05:10 PM
Hello ceswiedler,

Personally I'm creating my own training missions using the Full Mission Builder that come with IL2 ... it's a bit time consuming and painful, but it allow me to narrow my training to what I know I really need to practice.

If you are planning on flying the I-16 or the I-153, I can send you what I have so far done (4 missions) if that can help you.

Cheers,

ludicridius
09-25-2007, 03:08 PM
Like most beginners I have had a massive learning curve to deal with. I purchased this game about 8 months ago and gave it a good go for about a month and after repeatedly bursting into flames on the runway coupled with an impossiby non lineal mission system I gave up.

A good friend is a sims afficionardo and recently got back into the game. He has been giving me online instruction and the learning curve is starting to recede.

THANKYOU to Zeus-cat for his "Straight to the Farm" missions. I can now take off and land (on land). I can take off from carriers now also.

The game is now fun for me.

I was wondering if there are any coop missions for 2 persons that would be good for me. I am after something that my capable friend would lead and I would follow.
Also a 2 person coop version of Striaght to the Farm would assist me to hone my skills as my buddy could watch and advise.

Anyhoo, Thanks again!

Ludi

triad773
09-25-2007, 03:17 PM
See http://www.uberdemon.com/index2.html

Its a great alternative to the full mission builder.

Welcome again and have fun! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2007, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by ceswiedler:
A related question: it seems that all training missions are just recordings. Is there any training you can do where you actually DO the stuff you see? For example, the IL-2 training looks very neat, you can go bomb a motionless convoy. How can I try it myself?

I've installed ZeusCat's campaigns but haven't tried them yet (posting from work ATM). I noticed that there's both training and 'real' missions. Do the real missions correspond 1-to-1 with the training missions? Am I supposed to watch the recorded mission and then go try it myself?

In the original Il2, you could "hop into" the training missions. In Il2:Forgotten Battles, this feature apparently was dis-continued, but the title "training" was retained for some bizarre reason

ludicridius
09-28-2007, 05:59 PM
An Update,

after some router tweaking, my friend loaded straight from the farm as a coop missions last night.

We had a ball!

This was just great fun and really is the perfect training environment. There is still enough tarmac for two planes in coop. You are able to watch each others every move. By taking off together and flying leader / wingman, we could each take a shot at the mission objective whilst the other watched from behind or in the follow veiw. We observed and offered correction advice on the fly. There is nothing like watching two planes perfectly synced on a carrier. We would read out the pre take off breif and do the actions at the same time.. V cool to watch. The briefings give the perfect amount of info without overloading you and really enable a rookie to get in the air and work on the skills.

On the grass vitual carrier takeoff / bombing mission (cant recall which number) - the one with the enemy carrier at the end of the peninsula. We followed the ascent and approach instructions to the letter.
First try i bombed all 4 planes on the deck. This was brilliant! I didnt even know the bomb view, supercharger, air brakes options existed pior to this run and on the first attempt I puilled off a perfect hit. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
All down to a great mission design and thoughtful instruction.

On missions 8, I managed 5 carrier landings last night (never thought i could no it), even managed to land and then take off again whilst on the last rubber band on the deck.
Was up til 2am playing last night and it was both hilarious fun and I felt a tangible skill progression

I can't thank Zeus Cat enough. You sir, are my new hero!!

Thanks to all on this forum for the links and advice. I will try the mission editor tonight.

More updates on farmboy come hotshot Ludi to follow.

Cheers.

ludicridius
09-28-2007, 06:04 PM
A question for Zeus,

are the campaigns you posted subsequent to Straight from the farm meant to be played in order? I am keen as mustard to keep going after the 1st campagn is done..

Re below:

Straight From the Farm (19 training missions for takeoffs and landings)
Straight Shot (9 missions in the Japanese Seaplane - A6M2-N "Rufe")
Straight Into an Icy Hell (14 missions for the Rufe in the Aleutians)
Straight Down (26 dive-bombing missions in a carrier-based SBD-3)
Straight Down Some More (19 more missions in a carrier-based SBD-3)
Straight and True (30 torpedo bomber missions in an IL-2T)

Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Skycat_2
09-28-2007, 07:28 PM
The Pacific Fighters training videos showed you how to take off and land on carriers. Then you were supposed to go to the Single Missions and try the takeoff and landing missions for yourself. Look under USN and IJN and you'll find carrier practice missions for several different aircraft types.

Also consider the Quick Mission Builder. You don't have to take on any enemies, just load a plane you like in the first row and turn off the Anti-aircraft defenses in the bottom right corner of the setup. Then you can enjoy free flight and get familiar with your plane. You should be able to land at any airfield on the map also.