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11-25-2008, 12:04 PM

I've been enjoying the "Italy Stronghold pt1" by rdans59, with the Italian speech pack thrown in. They are available at M4T and are "no mods" friendly.

At the moment I'm assigned to a G50. The IL2 manual says it's a dog, and the Breda 12.7's have been much maligned on this forum but I have to say that the G50 is a fun little kite against Gladiators and Hurricanes, and it's armament is sufficient to bring them down although I have not managed to set one on fire yet.

I do have a question though, the G50 has two airspeed indicators. I'm guessing that one shows IAS and the other is calibrated to either CAS or TAS.

Ciao and Grazie,

11-25-2008, 08:49 PM
All the Italian birds are under appreciated. They are all fairly capable planes, the G-50 is a hell of a lot of fun if you fly the Finnish campaign with it.

Where the real surprise lies is in the Mc202 and 205, those are both great planes

11-26-2008, 05:24 AM
the planes are good.
but the weapons are so bad , except the MC 205_III, that you often hang to long behind your foe to make damage that another one can give you a burst.at least online.

and im looking forward to the RA in SoW:BoB
-> http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/falco_bob.htm (http://www.dalnet.se/%7Esurfcity/falco_bob.htm) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

11-26-2008, 06:28 AM
The plane has 2 speed indicators and these are indentical (don't know why...)

The Bredas are jokes since it's SO undermodelled compared to the other .50cal (looking at the game's data) plus they must punch I16, I153 and Lagg, wooden planes who fly like tanks against MGs (even if they were flying GAS TANKS... old DM problem maybe).

Against AI I'm sure you can score some kills, not against humans (Lascia perdere!!!).

11-26-2008, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
The plane has 2 speed indicators and these are indentical (don't know why...)

well, perhaps one is showing the Data from the left the other from the right pitot tube.

11-26-2008, 11:56 AM
Right now I'm only flying the G50 offline and it could very well be a different animal online. I find that it's controls are very well harmonized, requiring very little rudder input. I also find that it's so stable I can walk my Breda rounds along a bandit until I find the sweet spot for maximum effect, at least with Gladiators and Hurricanes. Against bombers, in this case Blenheim, it takes a lot of rounds to set one alight, I was able to get two in a mission but it took all of my ammunition attacking from dead six (I got the gunner first...learned the hard way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif ).

Luckily, the Bredas on the G50 have a fair amount of ammo which makes up for the low muzzle velocity, rate of fire and destructive power. It's still a fun ride.

11-26-2008, 12:29 PM
Both airspeed indicators show IAS. That is because each one has is own Pitot tube: look at each wing edge and you'll see them. Why two? For security reasons. If one fails, there's the other one ready, and knowing your speed on a stall-prone aircraft as the G.50 was fundamental to keep flying safe (and save your life in the process)!

I don't know if Breda-SAFAT machine guns are really undermodelled. Technically, they were among the worst (if not the worst) MGs of all belligerent countries. Compared to other cal 12.7, for example Browning MGs, they had a shorter cartridge (99 vs. 81 mm), thus less muzzle velocity, less power and less range. Moreover, Breda-SAFAT was heavy and had a low basic rate of fire, which was even worsened when it was synchronized to fire through the spinning propeller. Same things go for cal 7.7.

See for example on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_safat

11-26-2008, 01:03 PM
the later macchi's are capable enough and the Fiar Cr42 is also well capable against other Biplanes however the G50, and the early Macchi's are slow and flies like bricks...just my opinion.
however against Hurricanes and gladiators they might stand a chance...althugh i'd take the british planes in that fight anyday.

11-26-2008, 01:31 PM
For some strange reason I love the Italian planes.I just find them so cool!
When SoW turns up i can imagine spending a lot of time in the CR42 and the Breda.

11-27-2008, 01:15 AM
Yea I wanted to see how bad the Breda-SAFAT machine guns were so I researched the net and found out that they are really that bad. Sooo bad that by the late war they changed over to using german MG-151 cannons and discontinued the Breda usage in aircraft. Wikipedia it its an interesting story.

11-27-2008, 02:08 AM
the early Macchi's are slow and flies like bricks...
I find the C.200 very nimble and maneuvrable, but I agree that it's slow. C.202 is nicely maneuvrable as well, and fast enough to cope with Hurris, P-40 and Spit Mk.V.

11-27-2008, 04:14 AM
the Mc200 can be a very, very tough oponent for the Hurricanes and early VVS planes - performance wise.
But than its main proplem comes again - its weapons................................

also the Mc202 would be a marvolous Boom&Zoom plane (very good dive speed, good climb), but again, the weapons dont allow to be succesfull in shooting down the enemy in most times.

another comment aboutthe Safat:
"The Breda-SAFAT was reliable and accurate, however, and its ammunition was considered very effective"
-> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-pe.html

11-27-2008, 10:51 AM

I'm now flying the MC200. Although it's faster than the G50, it has worse visibility and is more prone to stalling. The controls are not quite as well harmonized either. Oh well, I'll just have to make do until I get assigned to the MC202.

It's still a great campaign.

12-02-2008, 10:57 AM

I've now transitioned to the MC202 Serie III. Victories are a little harder to come by now, it's faster than a Hurricane but doesn't maneuver quite as well and its stall and spin characteristics can be a little vicious.

I'm not sure what they were thinking when they kept the armament configuration of two Breda 12.7's though, such a nice fighter with only two guns... It only takes a few rounds to make a bandit start smoking, which is usually enough against Beaufighters and Blenheims but the Hurries just keep flying, requiring a lot more punishment before they finally go down. One good thing about the Bredas is that they force you to fly smoothly and aim correctly. It would actually be a lot of fun to have four on the aircraft instead of the lighter mg's of the later versions of the MC202. It must have taken a lot of work to be an ace in the RA during the Big One.

Flying the Italian kites is a really nice change of pace from the usual Allied and Axis aircraft. If you have not done so yet, give 'em a whirl.


12-02-2008, 02:10 PM
Sounded interesting, but I have an issue with installation:

It says to extract to the Missions/Campaign/It folder...but there is no in-game Italian Campaign folder. Can I create one without screwing up the game?


12-02-2008, 02:53 PM
Yes, just make your own It folder. I think.

Hmm, I may have to take a tour with Reggia Aeronautica now that I have some time...

12-02-2008, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by TheCrux:
Sounded interesting, but I have an issue with installation:

It says to extract to the Missions/Campaign/It folder...but there is no in-game Italian Campaign folder. Can I create one without screwing up the game?



Yes, you can just create a folder called "IT" in your IL-2 Sturmovik 1946\Missions\Campaign folder. Copy the "Italy_Stronghold_Pt1" folder to the newly created "IT" folder. Copy the skins to the appropriate folders in the PaintSchemes\Skins folder, you'll want to do this because there are Italian skins for aircraft used as "hacks" for Italian bombers, transport planes, etc. The "Extra" folder contains awards so you can be properly decorated for all your heroic deeds! For even more immersion you can download the Italian speech pack at M4T since the default language is German. By the way, you do not require any mods to enjoy Italy Stronghold.

Finally, I have to say !Bravo! to rdans59 for creating such an entertaining campaign.

12-03-2008, 06:14 AM

12-04-2008, 08:03 PM

My squad was having a practice session today and we decided to give the G50 a try on Cannon's Channel map. Opposition was Hawk 75's, Hurri mkI, Morane 410 and Spit mkI. The G50 did amazingly well, I'm certainly not the best flyer in the squad but I had little trouble downing Hurris, Hawks and Moranes. We switched sides and my a** got handed to me regularly, even when flying the early Spit.

Earlier this week we flew on a 1943 Russian Winter map. The MC205 was available so naturally I chose that. It's not bad except against LA5-FN's at low altitude, but then again the LA5 does best down in the weeds.

The more I fly IL2, the more I am impressed with the depth of it, and this has nothing to do with the mods from "the other place"