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JG52Karaya-X
12-18-2006, 10:01 AM
Seems they have been unsynched. I've tested them on the Emil, FW190A, Spitfire and Zero, it was most apparent though on the 109E and Zero because they now shake when firing the cannons whereas they wouldnt do that in 405 due to symmetric firing (and thus recoil). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-18-2006, 10:20 AM
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Klemm.co
12-18-2006, 10:23 AM
If done properly, this is a great feature. Now imagine that stream of cannon shells flying through the air! I just wonder if the cannons are more or less effective that way. Anyway like i said this would be great.
I'm off to try it out now!

JG52Karaya-X
12-18-2006, 10:25 AM
Yes well with unsynched cannons you will of course get a more constant hail of shells instead of "shell packages" and thus a higher hit probability.

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TheBandit_76
12-18-2006, 10:27 AM
Hmmm, what exactly do you mean? Pre-4.07 the Spitfire has been quite the inaccurate shooter FOR ME. The way it would slew around due (I thought) to having unsynched cannons already.

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JG52Karaya-X
12-18-2006, 10:33 AM
Unsynched cannons, meaning that they won't fire at the exact same time (as up to now) but with a small delay between them. Btw there seems to be some sort of randomness built in, sometimes no matter what you do they will fire synchronous non the less.

The Spitfire has the same recoil as in 4.05, the Emil and Zero on the other hand have received quite a bit more.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F19_Ob
12-18-2006, 10:34 AM
Yep, if the shell-stream is infact alternating it gives double hitprobability.
It doesn't matter that only one shell hit, it's the fact that any does, and the next is close behind.
If damaging or cripling a plane u have higher probability to kill it.

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JG52Karaya-X
12-18-2006, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by F19_Ob:
But Karaya, are u sure that it's not just alternating tracers?

What do you mean with alternating tracers, the tracers not coming out at the same time IS the hint at the cannons not being synched any more... just take the Emil or Zero for a spin, they seem to be the most obvious examples.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F19_Ob
12-18-2006, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
But Karaya, are u sure that it's not just alternating tracers?

What do you mean with alternating tracers, the tracers not coming out at the same time IS the hint at the cannons not being synched any more... just take the Emil or Zero for a spin, they seem to be the most obvious examples. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, the belts could be loaded after preference.
If one wanted a denser stream of tracers it was easy to just move the tracer for one of the canons a few rounds forward, thus the canons on 109 e forexample could be synced and just tracers alternated (not fired at same time), thus a denser tracerpattern.

Has oleg anoun

LStarosta
12-18-2006, 10:49 AM
You should have the option to omit tracers.

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Longpo
12-18-2006, 10:55 AM
What about the cannons on the Tempest?

JG52Karaya-X
12-18-2006, 10:58 AM
Tempest... check

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Waldo.Pepper
12-18-2006, 02:05 PM
But as said it is kind of random, sometimes they will fire synchronous, sometimes not... kind of weird

This is accurate then! Should be weird like that.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TheBandit_76
12-18-2006, 03:27 PM
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12-18-2006, 03:32 PM
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VMF-214_HaVoK
12-18-2006, 04:08 PM
Now there will be realistic recoil shake, rather then the infamous recoil "wobble". Mainly found in USN planes. Thanks Oleg and Luth! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TAW_Oilburner
12-18-2006, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by F19_Ob:
Yep, if the shell-stream is infact alternating it gives double hitprobability.
It doesn't matter that only one shell hit, it's the fact that any does, and the next is close behind.
If damaging or cripling a plane u have higher probability to kill it.

But Karaya, are u sure that it's not just alternating tracers?

Problem is at least on the US planes you don't get a stream you get a shotgun spray due to the wobble. However, I haven't received 407 yet so if what I hear is true the USN/USMC flyers are in for a treat.

Choctaw111
12-19-2006, 05:27 PM
Yes. Cannon have been desynced on all planes that I have tried. I enjoy flying the Tempest even more now.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VW-IceFire
12-19-2006, 06:38 PM
Oooooh....this sounds good. Above all else this sounds REALLY good. I like the sounds of that. This was something that always bugged me about the guns. I was prepared to put up with it...it was ok...but this makes it much more realistic. No two guns would ever quite fire at the same rate so things would be a bit off and the game was so mechanical in comparison.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-19-2006, 06:45 PM
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12-19-2006, 06:51 PM
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WWMaxGunz
12-19-2006, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by TheBandit_76:
Hmmm, what exactly do you mean? Pre-4.07 the Spitfire has been quite the inaccurate shooter FOR ME. The way it would slew around due (I thought) to having unsynched cannons already.

Plz elaborate for us non-1946 hacks.

I've found the Spits to be +very+ hard to keep coordinated in flight, which spoils aim badly
except from very close. If I spent a month just working on that I could probably get it down
so I always rudder just enough but I don't want to be a Spitfire ace so I don't.

Are you always firing while not in slip?

TheBandit_76
12-19-2006, 08:37 PM
Varies Gunz.

I definitely take shots when they are available, but I have done my work and snuck up behind bandits in their low-6, filled the windscreen and then shrieked in agony as the cannon shells fall harmlessly around the now-alarmed target.

Always look on in envy when other folks flying the Spit totally obliterate a 190 before my eyes.

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Viper2005_
12-19-2006, 09:22 PM
I have a simple system for gunnery. It works in all aeroplanes, but is more important when flying for the RAF or USAAF.

Set convergence based upon the following rules:

i) Convergence should never be less than about 50 m because of the risk of collisions.

ii) You should never fire at more than 2x convergence.

iii) Most kills happen at ranges less than 300 m, and as such, convergence ranges >300 m should be considered optimistic unless you're a really good shot!

iv) It generally makes sense to set MGs to a longer convergence range than cannon because an ideal attack is B&Z. Therefore there will be some range rate. Therefore, if you open fire with MGs first for aiming purposes they must "lead" the cannon by a reasonable distance.

As such, I generally set .50s to converge at 150 m (Mustang III etc), and cannon to converge at 200-250 m.

If I have MG and cannon, I'll set the MGs to about 300 m.

It is very important to learn what the ideal sight picture looks like before engaging in combat in exactly the same way as it is imperative to learn what the landing attitude looks like before you takeoff.

Work offline with icons to learn the sight picture in your aeroplane of choice against a variety of targets. Try a variety of convergence ranges and see what happens. I'm pretty confident that you'll see a rapid improvement, although if you are inclined to fly a variety of types in a variety of theatres things might take longer...

WWMaxGunz
12-20-2006, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by TheBandit_76:
Varies Gunz.

I definitely take shots when they are available, but I have done my work and snuck up behind bandits in their low-6, filled the windscreen and then shrieked in agony as the cannon shells fall harmlessly around the now-alarmed target.

Always look on in envy when other folks flying the Spit totally obliterate a 190 before my eyes.

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Bandit, you know what slip is? You know where the guages are on the Spit? There is no ball
but there is a combination slip and bank indicator. Just because the sight has target in
it does not mean you have aim right at all even in non-deflected shooting.

Deadmeat313
12-20-2006, 11:52 AM
My super-duper new book on the IL-2 says that the cannons on the IL-2 were problematical because they were rarely properly synched, and it used to throw the pilot's aim off.

I'm going to go check this now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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