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blakduk
08-30-2005, 08:09 PM
Hey guys, i just thought i'd share my experience with my newest toy, a TrackIR3 Pro. I couldnt believe the difference its made to my enjoyment of the game- i've only had it a week and only been able to use it about 3 times (same old story, kids, wife, house, work, life etc getting in the way) but its the first time i've ever been able to look around properly in a game. I've previously tried using hat switches, mouse views etc but all of them felt clumsy and disorienting. The trackir allows me to instinctively follow the bandit- i've already noticed that i just have to look at the other guy and i automatically turn to follow him.
I suppose its the same phenomena that people have noted when driving or riding- whatever point you look at is where you'll end up arriving (important tip for real life- always if youre in trouble in a vehicle, dont look at the thing you're trying to miss, look for the escape route you're trying to reach).
I still get a bit lost when a bandit gets behind me but now i can turn the aircraft and scan at the same time. I also find lining up the runway etc is much easier.
I also find i leave the cockpit on (i was one of the heretics that only used the wonderwoman view) because it assists with keeping me oriented. This means i can use all the gauges properly. Its also much more alarming when you get hit and see a hole appear in your instrument panel or canopy!
I realise also why people who dont have one are at a disadvantage- i think i've joined an arms race http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

knightflyte
08-30-2005, 08:25 PM
Welcome to the club............

What took you so long? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I still marvel as I pass under a bomber just mere feet from it's damaged wings and under carraige. I 'turn' my head to see the damage I caused.

I can't imagine any kind of hatswitch adding to the immersion like Track IR. It not only makes tracking enemies easier.... It makes it easy to look at all the eye candy that you'd normally miss because hatswitches are combersome.

If someone were to watch the monitor as I fly they'd get nausious. But I'm the one deliberately turning my head to check my six....look for my wingman.... match the map with the terrain.... look for enemy airfields... That's a lot of movement but your mind filters it out.

I LOVE BnZing with Track IR.

blakduk
08-30-2005, 09:47 PM
knightflyte- what took me so long was the price!
I convinced myself i could buy IL2 when it reached the discount bins- i waited until i saw it posted for $10AUD online. I had wasted money on games before and didnt want to get burned again (the last flightsim i bought before the IL2 series was 'Crimson Skies'- it kept crashing on my rig and i got bored with it). Once i got into Oleg's creation i was hooked- before i knew it i had bought a FFB stick, bought FB and AEP, and now i've just gone and blown $200AUD on the trackIR. I feel like the kid who was given a free codeine tablet and now i'm on the hard stuff! The setup i've got now is the sort of thing i've been imagining for years.
I also know what you mean about your mind filtering out the movement- when i watch tracks of dogfights its interesting to note just how much looking aroung i'm doing. It was something that had concerned before i took the plunge but now realise i shouldnt have worried.
Right now i'm a happy little junkie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Old_Canuck
08-31-2005, 12:49 AM
Still enjoying TIR original but when BoB 1C is out, the piggy bank gets smashed to pay for an upgrade. Gotta agree "TrackIR ROCKS!!!"

asgeirr73
08-31-2005, 02:09 AM
Congratulations and welcome to The Club

I am wery happy whit my investment to
(have never been very happy whit hatwievs)

do you have the expansion to ?
I will try and get that in the weekend
and hopefully the BoB2 will arrive on friday or possibly monday (50/50 just to check out the 6dof in a WW2 flightsim)

miss that I can`t lean left and right to look around the windowbars in the cookpit so thats why I now will buy it for BoB2

SeaFireLIV
08-31-2005, 02:22 AM
Nothing beats TIR for accessibility and immersion, and I`m still using the original! Hopefully I`ll get 3 one day, but right now I`m happy. :}

GAU-8
08-31-2005, 03:57 AM
i lost my pet rock back in the 70's, it ran away from home, been looking for a new pet rock replacement... please show me a pic of the new trak-IR rocks! im highly interested...

couldnt resist..sorry!

glad you hoped on board, glad you took the chance... now, where we wrong on saying what people miss out on with trak-IR!

F19_Ob
08-31-2005, 04:04 AM
It's the future for flightsims.
In some sims it's already possible to lean to the sides and see past cockpit bars or lean to the side to wach past the headrest.

I have an earlier version but it sure makes the cockpit alive.

Capt_Haddock
08-31-2005, 04:20 AM
Brilliant, isn't? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just imagine when we get the full 6DOF support in Oleg's BoB. I made these videos with Aces High II to show how it works:

FW190 (http://www.haddock.f2s.com/il2/video/FW190F8.zip)
IL2, P40, Ju88 (http://www.haddock.f2s.com/il2/video/Misc_planes.zip)

Just look at this... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/il2/forums/AH2_FW190F8_01.jpg

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh3.jpg

SeaFireLIV
08-31-2005, 05:31 AM
And this is how it works with TIR3, although I don`t have it.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/shot_028.jpg
Looking in cockpit leaning.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/shot_032.jpg
sticking head outside with cockpit open.

SeaFireLIV
08-31-2005, 05:32 AM
This is in BOBIIwov...

F19_Ob
08-31-2005, 05:51 AM
those movies are great captain.

In this sim about 50% of the possible views are obscured in some planes.
Some older sims had fixed leaning views to the rear and we sure could use that in this sim. It would be a vast improvement.

The back view in the fw190 u showed is an extreemly important view wich we lack in most planes and only the yak3 comes close to it.
On many planes one could see the whole rear sector of the plane when looking back.

That track-ir feature really makes that old sim playable again.
thanks for posting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ploughman
08-31-2005, 06:00 AM
Thanks for the movies. I have got to get me one of those!

Archangel2980
08-31-2005, 07:08 AM
I love TIR it really brings the sim to life for me. Your SA improves by 100% I've had more kills with it then ever before.

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-31-2005, 07:32 AM
While they seem rather expensive for a simple pc gaming peripheral, I've found that it is practically more important to my flying experience than my joystick. I could use an off-the-shelf cheapo stick from Wal-Mart as long as I had my TrackIR. Not that I'm willing to try it mind you.

The TIR3 Pro with the vector expansion makes it noticeably better as well and for those on the fence regarding the upgrade...it's worth it...be sure.


TB

Saunders1953
08-31-2005, 07:44 AM
Blakduk, wait until you get into a real good low level turn fight! A couple of days after I got TrackIR, I had set up a 1940 China mission, flying an A6M2-21 against Chinese I-16s. I was escorting bombers, and eventually the dogfights with the interceptors ended up on the deck (the Kuban map) and I got into a scrap with 2 I-16s. For maybe 7 -10 minutes, at between 10 and 150 meters, it was just scissors-scissors- half roll-level out-scissors-scissors, over hills and through valleys, since no one could get a decent shot. It was all the more exiting because the second A/I was always trying to get on my six, and I just had to maneuver like hell to keep after the first one and avoid the second.

I'm glad my wife wasn't home, or she would have thought I was nuts what with all the whooping, hollering and laughing. It was REALLY exhilerating, because for the first time I could continuously follow what was happening around me--when my prey would scissors under me, I would half roll and look "up" to find him, then quick glance back to watch for the other guy, level out, get back on his six, lose him, and do it all over again. It just seemed to go on and on. No way I could have lasted 1 minute just the keyboard/hatswitch.

Btw, I waxed the first one, and the other eventually pulled off and as I was looking over my shoulder for him or others, I clipped a tree on a hillside and augered in!

Sorry for rambling, but TrackIR truly made that mission rock, and I will never forget it. Hell, it's made everyone since rock, IMHO. Enjoy your new toy!

Capt._Tenneal
08-31-2005, 07:45 AM
TackIR ROCKS!!!

Yes. It's great for those sailing simulators !

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

knightflyte
08-31-2005, 08:58 AM
WOW Saunders....
Great discription. I can imagine EXACTLY wht you were seeng in your mission.

You can't do that very well with your thumb. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

georgeo76
08-31-2005, 11:08 AM
I'd get TIR if it were not for two things.

1. The cost. Expensive for something that dose nothing a mouse (hat) cannot.

2. You have to wear a bunch of silly looking head gear.
http://optimusfilms.20m.com/directors/jh/w.weird.jpg

jimmymilly
08-31-2005, 11:49 AM
Ive been toying with getting one for 1 year now now i have permanent job i think i can afford it

but one thing still bothers me

Do you have it set up so that when you have the monitor in the corner of your eye

the in game view is over the Pilots (i know you cannt see him in the game) shoulder

does this just mean when you move your head 1-2 mm the verw chanes drematically making you feel sick. but if you set a dead zone to say 10 mm - you move your head 10mm then at 11mm the in game view sudenly lurches

OR do you set it so that a realistically if you move yorh head so that you can see the monitor out the corner of your eye The in Game view only looks over the wing. with the result that the device is less sensative and you feel less sick

any help?

SeaFireLIV
08-31-2005, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
I'd get TIR if it were not for two things.

1. The cost. Expensive for something that dose nothing a mouse (hat) cannot.

2. You have to wear a bunch of silly looking head gear.
http://optimusfilms.20m.com/directors/jh/w.weird.jpg

Well, you`ve around long enough and heard about trackIR enough that iI reckon you speak-tongue-in-cheek, my friend but for the benefit of others....


1. It completely frees up your hand in the case of the mouse, and gives you literally EIGHT extra buttons in the case of a hat switch. Very useful with flight sims. That`s besides it`s other uses.

2. This depends on how you do it. I have 5 dots on my baseball cap, not on my nose, or forehead, or on a long stick attached to my tongue. Some even do fine attaching the dots to their microphone.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-31-2005, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
I'd get TIR if it were not for two things.

1. The cost. Expensive for something that dose nothing a mouse (hat) cannot.

I wouldn't go so far as to say a mouse/hat can do the same thing...cause it can't. Sure you can change views and even track a bad guy, but they require soooo much higher motor skills in comparison.


2. You have to wear a bunch of silly looking head gear.

You can get by easily with a simple hat (read- TrackHat). Silly to some, but doesn't require an extended explanation if you don't want to.


Aesop had a fable about that...something about sour grapes
I'm just saying...

TB

womenfly
08-31-2005, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
And this is how it works with TIR3, although I don`t have it.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/shot_028.jpg
Looking in cockpit leaning.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/shot_032.jpg
sticking head outside with cockpit open.

<span class="ev_code_PINK">"Oooooooo .... you have to open the canopy, It all seems to make since now" ... </span>http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

<span class="ev_code_PINK">TrackIR3 Pro ROCKS ! ! ! ! ! !</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

stathem
08-31-2005, 12:36 PM
I'd like to agree with all the above comments etc etc.. but to go slightly OT for a moment, i have a TiR 3 pro since last year (nothing like future proofing by buying the best) but it's still running version V3.10. Can anyone provide links to a later driver or do I have to go all the way to vector expansion? (I only play FB/PF so haven't bothered wiht that yet.)

GAU-8
08-31-2005, 01:07 PM
georgeo 76

1. are you using a joystick??? WHY! use your mouse. it can do the EXACT X-Y axis motion your looking for! you noooob! oh why did you become a geek and buy a "joystick".. it looks like a phallyic symbol.... ( dude, your a dork if anybody catches you flying this sim, so why not take the immersional (next) step and get the track-ir.

2. dont freak out over it. its not like you have a conjoined twin spurting out on your head..with its legs and arms in your face, and your out in public. it can be much worse

3. if something were to happen to you (paralyzed) all of a sudden youd use track -ir at some point in life for your computer. might as well get familiar with it now:P

Capt_Haddock
08-31-2005, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by jimmymilly:
Do you have it set up so that when you have the monitor in the corner of your eye the in game view is over the Pilots shoulder?

Not really. Your head movement is highly amplified in the game. You just need to move your head 5 degrees or so to get 180 in the game. Very easy to use.


Originally posted by jimmymilly:
does this just mean when you move your head 1-2 mm the verw chanes drematically making you feel sick. but if you set a dead zone to say 10 mm - you move your head 10mm then at 11mm the in game view sudenly lurches

OR do you set it so that a realistically if you move yorh head so that you can see the monitor out the corner of your eye The in Game view only looks over the wing. with the result that the device is less sensative and you feel less sick

any help?

It's up to you, really. The software comes with a powerful curve editor, so you can define how wide the dead zone is, if the movement accelerates or not, or if you want just a flat continuous movement (like me). This is how it looks:

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/il2/forums/trackIR_01.jpg

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh3.jpg

Saunders1953
08-31-2005, 03:10 PM
Stathem, read this about TrackIR drivers (it's only a couple of threads down from this one at the moment:


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9941097153

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2005, 03:57 PM
I cannot afford TIR, but i scored the next best thing, NewView2

WH_Phist
08-31-2005, 04:03 PM
Cant live without it. The downside unless you use a hat is, you walk into stores or your work with dots on your glasses and no one has the courage to tell you. They just give you funny looks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

T_O_A_D
08-31-2005, 08:05 PM
You guys realize http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif that if georgeo 76 ever does get it. He will praise its glory louder longer than anyone ever has.


We will be begging him to shut up! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Oh and welcome to our club. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

TooCooL34
08-31-2005, 11:13 PM
Too bad georgeo76 said like that..

THAT COMMENT WAS DEFINITELY NOT ENLIGHTENED!
I WON'T BELIEVE WHATEVER HE WRITES FROM NOW ON!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

midgie
09-01-2005, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by stathem:
I'd like to agree with all the above comments etc etc.. but to go slightly OT for a moment, i have a TiR 3 pro since last year (nothing like future proofing by buying the best) but it's still running version V3.10. Can anyone provide links to a later driver or do I have to go all the way to vector expansion? (I only play FB/PF so haven't bothered wiht that yet.)

If you go to the naturalpoint website, http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/ it's at the bottom of the page. I found an improvement in tracking when upgrading from 3.11 and it's got a nicer interface.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-01-2005, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
You guys realize http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif that if georgeo 76 ever does get it. He will praise its glory louder longer than anyone ever has.


We will be begging him to shut up! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Oh and welcome to our club. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif



Oh contrare TOAD. He probably already has it!!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


TB

F19_Ob
09-01-2005, 08:52 AM
Dont get worked up guys. If u look closer at the headgear mr georgeo posted u may detect a humorous attitude.
He might be pulling your legs, as u americans say. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

SeaFireLIV
09-01-2005, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by F19_Ob:
Dont get worked up guys. If u look closer at the headgear mr georgeo posted u may detect a humorous attitude.
He might be pulling your legs, as u americans say. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

No, no, the British coined the phrase, the British. The Americans might even be puzzled by the term, `Pulling yer leg.`

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

krmichal
09-01-2005, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by VMF-214_Prop:
I cannot afford TIR, but i scored the next best thing, NewView2

NewView2? What's that? I can't google it...

LStarosta
09-01-2005, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
Dont get worked up guys. If u look closer at the headgear mr georgeo posted u may detect a humorous attitude.
He might be pulling your legs, as u americans say. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

No, no, the British coined the phrase, the British. The Americans might even be puzzled by the term, `Pulling yer leg.`

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some might think it's a cue to flatullate.

georgeo76
09-01-2005, 11:24 AM
Wow! You guys take your gear seriously.

I think the root of this fanaticism stems from spending that amount of money on a fancy head mouse. You would rather endorse it than admit you got shafted. I mean who are you trying to convene?

For the record, I don't have a TIR. I do have a X-52 and CH pedals. But I don't stand by them, freely admitting that the '52 is pile (I've returned 2 of them already) and the pedals are too expensive.

But when my X-52 dose work, the combination of POV hat and Mouse cursor gives me intuitive and unlimited viewing options. This means it's superior to the TIR, because it dose everything the TIR dose, plus you can use it to fly your plane!

Some of you suggest that I would recant if I actually tried a TIR. I don't think so, my logic being ironclad and unimpeachable. But I have decided to graciously accept this challenge.

Anyone who wants to prove me wrong can send money to MagnumPC to buy me a TIR. You need to get me the TIR hat too, cuz I aint putting no dots on my head. Don't worry, they have my address.

If I decide that indeed this TIR is somehow worth the trouble of setting it up and using I will post a picture of myself using it, wearing nothing but a bra on my head and high heels.

crazyivan1970
09-01-2005, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
If I decide that indeed this TIR is somehow worth the trouble of setting it up and using I will post a picture of myself using it, wearing nothing but a bra on my head and high heels.

For that... ok, i`ll call Joe right now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Moustacheo
09-01-2005, 11:32 AM
Ah, I didn't know track IR really only needed sticking dots onto something. It sounds a lot more tempting to get now that I know I just have to stick some dots on my headphones. Are there any shops/websites in the UK where you can buy it?

SeaFireLIV
09-01-2005, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by georgeo76:


I think the root of this fanaticism stems from spending that amount of money on a fancy head mouse. You would rather endorse it than admit you got shafted... waffle...



Some of you suggest that I would recant if I actually tried a TIR. I don't think so, my logic being ironclad and unimpeachable. But I have decided to graciously accept this challenge.

Anyone who wants to prove me wrong ... more waffle...

If I decide that indeed this TIR is somehow worth the trouble of setting it up and using I will post a picture of myself using it, wearing nothing but a bra on my head and... waffle continues...

Oh most wayward one, recant of your heresy and partake in the delights of the Holy True Way of Seeing (TIR to you). And, NO! Though shalt cop out with getting others to do the work for you. Seek yonder IR of the Tracking and prove your faith to the untainted one.

Do not let the fires of the X52 burn theee forever more, sinner! Recant! Recant now or all shall be lost!

Torquemada Seafire of the true way of Seeing.

Capt_Haddock
09-01-2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Moustacheo:
Are there any shops/websites in the UK where you can buy it?

http://www.edimensional.com/
Brilliant service. Next day delivery and just 52 quid for TrackIR 3 standard.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh3.jpg

T_O_A_D
09-01-2005, 04:13 PM
Oh contraire TB you is wrong http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AstroCat
09-01-2005, 04:24 PM
BTW... just got TrackIr w/Vector yesterday... it rocks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Moustacheo
09-02-2005, 04:26 AM
Ah, thanks for the link Haddock. When I run out of excuses, I might actually have to go and buy the thing.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-02-2005, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by georgeo76:
If I decide that indeed this TIR is somehow worth the trouble of setting it up and using I will post a picture of myself using it, wearing nothing but a bra on my head and high heels.

For that... ok, i`ll call Joe right now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto. I'll even make a contribution to the georgio76 TrackIR fund. But if I don't get the pic, I'll desire some equivalent retribution...be sure.


TB

XyZspineZyX
09-02-2005, 08:36 PM
NewView2 can be found in this link il2 thread for newview2 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/5261012253)

Crossbore
09-02-2005, 10:24 PM
Georgie Boy,

I too have a similar HOTAS setup. I am still using the old thrustmaster F22/F-16 TQS setup with a digital chip upgrade. It has a mini-4-way toggle that can be programmed to function as a mouse. It is accessed easily with my left thumb on the throttle. I used this as my primary viewing device and was quite happy with it and felt as you do.

Why pay the $$$ for the TrackIr when I am using a device that I feel is quite comparable to it.

Well, curiosity got the better of me and I talked my better half into purchasing one for me for x-mas last year. And I must say that after only about the first 3 hours of using it "Track IR ROCKS!"

For me, what I found was the biggest benefit of it is the fact that it is natural and my brain thought processes are used much more efficiently when using it. I shall explain. We as humans, are used to using our heads to look around at the world around us. When we want to observe something, our brain does not process the instructions to our thumb to move a little left and up a scoche to view the plane on our high 10. But when we use a mouse, or hat switch, that is exactly what we are doing. When engaged in a dog fight, our brains are constantly adding the extra step of telling our thumbs to press this button a certain # of times or a certain amount so our eyes may see the bandit. This allows our brain to process the information necessary so that we can postition our own aircraft to shoot this bandit down.

When I started using the trackir I found almost immidiately that these calculations were much easier to detemine because I was not having the additional "static" of having to tell my thumb to move here so I can see the bandit. I found that I was more efficient at processing all the other information needed to maintain a better Situational Awareness. I also found that the simulation seems a great deal more realistic and a heck of alot more fun. I would say that my appreciation of this sim has increased dramatically since I started using the trackir and to me it is because I can think and react much more efficiently.

Of coarse, you may feel like I did, that my brain to thumb to eye coordination was exceptional anyway because of the great number of hours I spent training them but if, or when you ever get a trackir you will find that you can be even a better fighter jock that you are now. I would even make you a gaurantee on that, but I'm not going to purchase one for you.

Anyway, I'm sure the folks at TrackIr would refund you're money if you didn't feel there was a benefit.

Incidently, If you use a headset, just put a bunch of dots on the end of the MIC foam. Spread em around the end of the mic. It works great but you will need to offset you're reaction curve to the side that you're mic is on.

You won't need em on you're forehead. Unless you like that sort of thing.

krmichal
09-03-2005, 04:30 AM
Freelook (http://freelook.org/) can be some kind of alternative for TrackIR, too. Haven't tried it myself, but I hope to soon.

krmichal
09-03-2005, 06:06 AM
And for those who don't want "to wear a bunch of silly looking head gear" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif we've got http://tiny.pl/q5jr
But the price is 6 times the TrackIR price...

TooCooL34
09-03-2005, 12:01 PM
Here's my head gear(?) that works perfect. Price is about $2 if you don't have wife's headband.(otherwise $0)
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/1787/marker0ml.jpg
If someone call it 'bunch of silly looking head gear'..hmm.. what can I say? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
May he live well without modern conveniences.

Robocline
09-03-2005, 01:49 PM
i tried Freelook and it does work but the webcam lag is bad and it's all glitchy

I think it's a good idea but it still needs work but for free who can complain

WWSensei
09-03-2005, 02:04 PM
My "headgear" is nothing but a baseball cap. Nothing odd or strange about it. Before the vector clip I only needed a single silver dot on my boommike...and since the mike boom was silver as well you didn't even notice it. I think a lot of the "awkard or uncomfortable headgear" is nothing more than sour grapes...

Aaron_GT
09-03-2005, 03:28 PM
I sometimes have odd problems with Track IR 3 in Il2/PF/FB with the cockpit panning being fine in one direction, but not in the other. I had hoped the vector expansion might improve matters, but doesn't seem to. In FS2004 everything is absolutely rock solid.

SeaFireLIV - what's the trick to getting 6DOF working in BOB II (although I am not convinced I will persevere with the game apart from the strategic game - a more detailed strategy game would have been better than the flight sim part!)

SeaFireLIV
09-03-2005, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
I sometimes have odd problems with Track IR 3 in Il2/PF/FB with the cockpit panning being fine in one direction, but not in the other. I had hoped the vector expansion might improve matters, but doesn't seem to. In FS2004 everything is absolutely rock solid.


SeaFireLIV - what's the trick to getting 6DOF working in BOB II (although I am not convinced I will persevere with the game apart from the strategic game - a more detailed strategy game would have been better than the flight sim part!)



That sounds like you`re not centred to TIR. You need to move it or yourself slightly more left or right, or recentre it. Kinda weird how it seems ok in FS2004 though. You`re just going to have to see how you`re sitting in IL2 compared to FS2004 and work out what`s different.

Actually I don`t have TIR3 6DOF as I mentioned earlier. I have TIR1 (I use 2 buttons to activate the lean left and lean right view). Now what I do is activate TIR first then run the sim. After that I go into options and tick the TIR box. There`s also a box for the vector expansion. I would assume it`s a simple case of activating that box too. I have no problems with my TIR1, so I can`t see it being so difficult with TIR3.

TooCooL34
09-04-2005, 01:18 PM
My squad(about 10 or more TR3 users) generally recommend NOT to use TR3 vector expansion in FB since it doesn't support vector correctly. Some guys are using it flawlessly. (it's natural Oleg have never thought of vector)
One dot system is best for FB so far.

blakduk
09-04-2005, 07:42 PM
I have found something to complain about!!!
My aiming is s**t with the trackIr and cockpit on- I cant aim very well using the gunsight in the cockpit. The only way i seem able to correct it is to turn the cockpit off and fire from the wonderwoman view. I now have the 'cockpit off' set to my forward hat switch so i can flick to it quickly- as soon as i'm done shooting i go back to the cockpit to regain my orientation. I seem much more able to line up the shots properly, especially with a cannon. I have been lining planes up from their 6 easily (the situational awareness with the trackIR is incredible) but i cant seem to pin them down.
Has anyone else discovered this or am i the only incompetent marksmen out there?

T_O_A_D
09-04-2005, 09:01 PM
Quit using the WW cruch your aim will only improve with practice.

Now just think how hard it must of been for real.

Your Body tossing from side to side with manuvers, head pulled violently up and down. You are getting nausiated by now from nerves and all, while trying to out manuver a foe, who is doing his best in the same situation trying to bring and end to you aswell.

I doubt they got to look through their Gunsight straight all the time either.

It give you a new found respect for just what those fellers went through.

Even with TIR and all other gadgets, we still fail in comparison Be Sure of that.

WWSensei
09-05-2005, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by TooCooL34:
My squad(about 10 or more TR3 users) generally recommend NOT to use TR3 vector expansion in FB since it doesn't support vector correctly. Some guys are using it flawlessly. (it's natural Oleg have never thought of vector)
One dot system is best for FB so far.

Have to disagree. While IL2 doesn't support 6DOF I do find that the tracking with the vector clip is much more solid. It's a lost less prone to needing re-centering. Usually, I sit down, re-center the view once and then never have to again...I can even get up, go get a drink and sit back down and the view is still centered.

With the vector clip it's alot more forgiving of the little dips of the head and such.

georgeo76
09-05-2005, 06:50 AM
What would impress me is if instead of head movement, the camera tracked your eyes. Now that would be intuitive.

What doesn't click for me is that the pan of your head must be exaggerated in-game. I mean if I really turned my head to check six, I couldn't see the monitor. So there must be a great deal of getting-used-to involved. I'm lazy, and I already know how to look around with my thumbs.

rnzoli
09-05-2005, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
What doesn't click for me is that the pan of your head must be exaggerated in-game. I mean if I really turned my head to check six, I couldn't see the monitor.

No problem if you hang your monitor on your headgear. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

tagTaken2
09-05-2005, 06:15 PM
This thread inspired me to go and buy it yesterday- turned out to be cheaper than I'd thought.

On my first flight, default settings, and the viewpoint jittering madly all over the place (couldn't remember the centre button), I shot down two Zeros in F4f-3 in a sea-level turn fight in 2 minutes after takeoff. Never done that before.


Almost made a beer run with a dot sticking to my nose, though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

T_O_A_D
09-05-2005, 08:42 PM
Read the link in my signature. For some ideas for your dots.

Fehler
09-06-2005, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Read the link in my signature. For some ideas for your dots.

I've had my dot surgically implanted into my forehead. I am married, so I dont care how people think I look anymore. You ever noticed that? When I was single. I would leap from my bed in the morning to take a shower and groom in case a fine looking woman might accidently ring my doorbell looking for directions or something. Now that I am married, I go days without a shower and refuse to answer the doorbell at all. Hmmm.... Aint married life great!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

T_O_A_D
09-06-2005, 07:39 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

My nose still works Married or not, I still require a shower at least once a day. Remind me to bring a clothes pin for my nose when we ever get together for a LAN party http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Oh and I still have pretty girls showing up all the time here, But not for me, I have two daughters and they and there friends or some serious lookers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

It just makes me worry more than anything. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

simon069d
09-07-2005, 06:35 PM
Georgeo76 - Are you insane??? can you not see the great praise that TrackIR is getting??? I have owned my Tir Pro3 for a few months now and would NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER play a Flight sim again without it. I too am married and dont give a stuff about my appearance so have therefore mounted my vector expansion across the top of my force feedback headphones. I might look like an idiot with a coathanger sticking out of my skull, I agree that the TIR is pricey but it really is THE BEST piece of kit I own for pc gaming.

Move with the times!!!!!! ditch the hat / mouse view method and give this gear a go!!!!

Nice try in your efforts to blag a freebie from the community but it would take a very incriminating photo indeed to get my contribution!!! bra & high heels? how about a pvc gimp suit with an 8 ball wedged in your mouth?

blakduk
09-07-2005, 07:31 PM
Georgeo76- i too had reservations about how long it would take to come to terms with the trackIR. I have to say though that it seemed to take no time at all- i struggled for years with using a mouse to look around or hat switches, i guess i am just too uncoordinated to have ever managed it properly. The thing about the trackIR is that to reorient myself is so intuitive- i just have to look forward.
I have even found myself practising maneuvores such as the hammerhead using the horizon on the wingtips to maintain the upright stall correctly- i could never manage that before with the fumbling around with a hat switch.
It reminds me a bit of my brother years ago- he refused to give up his old Compaq 386 running DOS. His reason was it had taken him so long to learn DOS he didnt want to have to relearn it all again (at that time windows 98 had only just come out). I eventually got him to use a windows based system and he never looked back.
The smarter these systems and peripherals get the less we have to learn, they mimic the world we know more accurately.