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dazza9806482
01-06-2005, 03:11 AM
Really enjoying my new ride the P51D online. Have tried almost every other fighter and used to be a predominatly axis flyer...

anyhoo, had a crack at using the K14 offline, following Chuck Older's useful tutorial over at IL2FLYING.com, i reckoned i calibrated it correctly and seemed to be scoring reasonable deflection shots.

was on a p51-less Greatergreen map so i didnt get a chance to try it online last night

so my question anyone used/use it with any success online?

and any tips?

thanks guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dazza9806482
01-06-2005, 03:11 AM
Really enjoying my new ride the P51D online. Have tried almost every other fighter and used to be a predominatly axis flyer...

anyhoo, had a crack at using the K14 offline, following Chuck Older's useful tutorial over at IL2FLYING.com, i reckoned i calibrated it correctly and seemed to be scoring reasonable deflection shots.

was on a p51-less Greatergreen map so i didnt get a chance to try it online last night

so my question anyone used/use it with any success online?

and any tips?

thanks guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Heavy_Weather
01-06-2005, 06:12 AM
yep, the sight works great, just put the floating dot on the target and let it rip. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Bearcat99
01-06-2005, 06:16 AM
Every time i fly a D-20 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

FatBoyHK
01-06-2005, 10:08 AM
I use K14 to great effect online, but I don't rely on it, I use it as an assist only, I still do the majority of works by myself.

I enable both the Gyro and standard sight. The relative position between the standard and Gyro sight tell me the direction, or plate, I am turning on. With this information I know where I should pull the lead. Then I will use my own judgement to estminate how much lead I need to pull.

In simpler term, I will try to put my target on an imaginary straight line formed by joining the standard and the gyro sight. Then I use my own experience to guess where should my target be on this straight line.

I use this method because I almost always do high speed snapshot attack on my target. I won't have a long time to do my aiming due the the high closure rate, and it is not quite possible to go through the whole calibration process in this short time. even I calibrated it for this instant, the next instant it will be de-calibrated, again due to the high closure rate.... So I developed this qutie unique method, and it work very well for me.

But I am not sure if someone can really use K-14 in it full potential even when doing high-speed attack like I do.... may be so expert can give me some advice?

Extreme_One
01-06-2005, 10:17 AM
Just like Bear said - whenever I jump into the D-20 I do enable the gyro sight - I actually find it quite useful. After I've used it for a while my deflection shooting in whichever plane is much better.

My problem is that I keep going into the FMB and getting lost in mission building. Then when I decide to actually fly again I have to relearn all my skills! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Chuck_Older
01-06-2005, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dazza9806482:
i reckoned i calibrated it correctly and seemed to be scoring reasonable deflection shots.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

that's the key right there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dazza9806482
01-06-2005, 11:02 AM
Thanks guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fatboy u raise an interesting point. any attack i make tends to be a high speed pass- so the one issue i have is that on gyro alone ur are limited to the covergance calibration you have set, say 150 meters. Now the guns will still hurt just above and below this distance and the gyro should still be more or less accurate, however with a high closing speed u perhaps have a very, very brief window to shoot...

i think i will try the dual method Fatboy mentions. that sounds cool and from experimentation last night is useful even just to demonstrate how much lead you must give- often times almost off the scale in terms of your visible main sight and the gyros position!!

did certain spitfires not also benefit from a gyro sight?

FatBoyHK
01-06-2005, 11:52 AM
dazza9806482 pls do tell me if my method suit you well, and I would like to listen to your suggestion for improvement also!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dazza9806482:
did certain spitfires not also benefit from a gyro sight? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, we should see it on a SpitXIV when it come out.... hopefully one or two patches later http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FatBoyHK
01-07-2005, 07:17 AM
any result dazza?

Sir.Robin-1337
01-07-2005, 08:13 AM
The K14 can help the younger, weaker minded pilot, be sure.
However, the old expert like myself, who advised Oleg on how to calculate lead using only an eyelash as reference, have no need for such gimmicks.

See the deflection, feel the deflection.. be the deflection!

dazza9806482
01-07-2005, 08:20 AM
Hi Fatboy

I tried the dual method on warclouds last night, got my *** handed to me as per usual, however once i began to get used to the dual sight it became really useful, in fact one of the unexpected benefits as far as i can see is the use of the sight in estimating energy bleed during maneoveurs. I found myself more aware of how much my ride was sideslipping or a turn was a bit more flakey than necessary. The offset from the fixed to the gyro is really useful in providing an additional visual clue to your birds g load and flight path.

Really the biggest issue is often concentrating too much on the gyro's alignment to the target. the dual method allowed me to focus on my aircrafts orientation as i close for the kill (using the fixed site), not the gyros alignment to the bandit. i had to keep it foremost in my mind that the gyro was essentially useless until you approach ur calibrated distance. it requires a lot of patience, and the rookie that i am often shoots too soon, revealing my attack and causing no damage.

grateful for the help m8, useful suggestion.

now i just need to learn to stop breaking my altitude floor to chase bandits, and suddenly im surrounded! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dazza9806482
01-07-2005, 08:23 AM
Coincidently im watching Monty Python and the holy grail!

Sir Robin the not quite as brave as Sir Lancelot features in that...

Raptor_20thFG
01-07-2005, 08:58 AM
The 20thFG uses the K-14 and it works for us really well

FatBoyHK
01-07-2005, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dazza9806482:
in fact one of the unexpected benefits as far as i can see is the use of the sight in estimating energy bleed during maneoveurs. I found myself more aware of how much my ride was sideslipping or a turn was a bit more flakey than necessary. The offset from the fixed to the gyro is really useful in providing an additional visual clue to your birds g load and flight path.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it is another big benefit I forget to mention http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It is a good way to discipline yourself!

Also, as I found out TODAY, the gyro sight can tell you you are actually not flying straight ahead, especially in max throttle setting... instead you are flyong some degrees to the left... So how to fix that? First zoom into the gun sight, then apply rudder trim so that the fixed and gyro sight overlaps precisely. Fianlly, apply aerilon trim to conpensate the rudder trim applied. It should make a Mustang fly faster !

geetarman
01-07-2005, 09:51 AM
I use it all the time OL. I switch between gyro only and the blend of the two. It is fantastic for a quick kill on a long, unobserved approach shot from the 6:00 position. Man, just line the sucker up, when the wing tips hit the outside dots, let 'er rip.
You won't miss a shot and the bogey;s either going down fast or is crippled to the point that it's no longer a threat.

I switch to the combo site if I'm spotted and get into a tail chase situation. For some reason, the fixed site helps me focus and I wait to fire until the two site meet. Then I know, I can't miss. Quess what, you won't!

I think it defaults to a range of 150 yards when it is first turned on. No matter, my convergence is set at 250 and it still works fine.