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neil_1821
04-14-2005, 08:18 AM
Hi,
I have decided that my logic 3 star fighter joystick is getting a bit old and that i'm going to replace it. What would you recommend. Microsoft sidewinder or the saitek X52?

Iwatapt
04-14-2005, 08:36 AM
Neither.

I'm using the Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner II joystick/throttle combo, and it's the best stick I've used in a very long time.

Relativelly cheap, too.

WOLFMondo
04-14-2005, 08:57 AM
I would avoid the X52, i've had 2 and sent them both back and both were above the serial numbers which had the dodgy dead zone.

I had a Cyborg EVO and that was very nice, I've now got a CH Stick and pedals. Very nice, expensive but the quality is evident. Still getting used to them but pedals makes a world of difference.

ddsflyer
04-14-2005, 09:20 AM
CH Products, best in the business.

fng083
04-14-2005, 10:43 AM
I dont now about the ch sticks but i got 4 joysticks and i must say Iwatapt is rgr,the afterburner 2 is the best off the 4!!!
Keep your hands off the cougar,out of the box is this realy ****.


list off joysticks
sidewinder force feedback 2
thrustmaster cougar
cyborg evo
thrustmaster afterburner 2

JadehawkII
04-14-2005, 12:49 PM
I use Top Gun Fox 2 Pro USB here and quite happy with it. had it for sometime now and would get another. Thought the Microsoft was not supporting theirs anymore? I dont see them for sale as well in stores. Good luck!

Scen
04-14-2005, 03:18 PM
Well I own both the Thrustmaster Cougar and the Saitek X45.

Simple logic here.

Bar none Thrustmaster Cougar with either a Uber Mod or an Evenstrain Mod (gimbleand Hal Sensor replacement) is the best HOTAS setup period. But with a Huge price tag. Out the door I think it cost me around $750.00 US and it was well worth it. If money is no object its an excellent choice.

However if you are a human being...

The Saitek X45 not the 52 is a great purchase lots of bang for your buck. Its a solid unit and you can beat the price. 79 bucks...

Good either way.

I've heard nothing but good things about CH as well.

Scendore

TooMuchCheese
04-14-2005, 04:30 PM
Okay, if your priorities are:

1. Must work perfectly and easily straight out of the box.

2. Must be smooth, precise, positive, and comfortable to use.

3. Must be of superb quality, and capable of sustained use year after year with no modifications (@ $750.00 on top of the stick), no wear, sloppiness or failure due to quality of components.

4. Must have easy to use software that enables single control of multiple controllers.

Then there is only one answer: CH Fighterstick PERIOD. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Dutch60
04-14-2005, 11:24 PM
Here we go again!

If you can afford it go for the full CH Products setup and while you are at it don€t forget to buy a TrackIR 3 Pro.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://home.planet.nl/~elzer033/input/ch_usb_hotas.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~elzer033/input/track_ir3pro.jpg

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Bearcat99
04-15-2005, 04:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
Well I own both the Thrustmaster Cougar and the Saitek X45.

Simple logic here.

Bar none Thrustmaster Cougar with either a Uber Mod or an Evenstrain Mod (gimbleand Hal Sensor replacement) is the best HOTAS setup period. But with a Huge price tag. Out the door I think it cost me around $750.00 US and it was well worth it. If money is no object its an excellent choice.

However if you are a human being...

The Saitek X45 not the 52 is a great purchase lots of bang for your buck. Its a solid unit and you can beat the price. 79 bucks...

Good either way.

I've heard nothing but good things about CH as well.

Scendore <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would stay away from the Cougar... I know more unhappy Cougar owners than happy ones...... no jystick is worth $750 if it doesnt have a cockpit attatched to it... IMO of course. If you decide to go with the X-45 try getting one here (http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html) first. Save $40 if you can.. it is a decent stick and for $39 it is a no brainer. I have heard nothing but good stuff about CH.

Orion_GR
04-15-2005, 05:57 AM
i use the MS Sidewinder FF2 with X-45 Throtle and is OK for me.

TooMuchCheese
04-15-2005, 07:54 AM
The Saitek X45 (reconditioned) is worth it for the throttle alone(Approximately 20.00 for a HOTAS is the BARGAIN of the century)the X45 stick isn't bad I used one for over 2 years and it was fine until it lost a few switches,I then got the CH Fighterstick. I use the X45 throttle with my CH fighterstick and it really is the dogs doo-daas. I will get the CH throttle eventually, but at the minute can't really justify it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

d.burnette
04-15-2005, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
Well I own both the Thrustmaster Cougar and the Saitek X45.

Simple logic here.

Bar none Thrustmaster Cougar with either a Uber Mod or an Evenstrain Mod (gimbleand Hal Sensor replacement) is the best HOTAS setup period. But with a Huge price tag. Out the door I think it cost me around $750.00 US and it was well worth it. If money is no object its an excellent choice.

However if you are a human being...

The _Saitek X45_ not the 52 is a great purchase lots of bang for your buck. Its a solid unit and you can beat the price. 79 bucks...

Good either way.

I've heard nothing but good things about CH as well.

Scendore <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would stay away from the Cougar... I know more unhappy Cougar owners than happy ones...... no jystick is worth $750 if it doesnt have a cockpit attatched to it... IMO of course. If you decide to go with the X-45 try getting one http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html first. Save $40 if you can.. it is a decent stick and for $39 it is a no brainer. I have heard nothing but good stuff about CH. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, being one of the Uber modded Cougar owners, I will chime in with my 2 cents worth http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif..

I have 2 Cougars, one of which is still new in box. My original Cougar, I purchased shortly after they were released, and used it for over 3 years as stock, before upgrading it with the Uber2 NXT gimball mod. I thoroughly enjoyed the Cougar, and while yes I would have liked the springs to have been a little softer, I still used it with no major issues.
Because I like it so much, I elected around the end of last year to spend the money and upgrade it with the Uber2 NXT gimball mod and Hall Sensors to replace the pots. It made a great stick, almost perfect for me. Very smooth, no transition flats, very precise.
No, it was not a cheap upgrade, but to me was well worth the money spent, to make an already great Hotas even greater. I could not be happier with my Hotas setup now... well I could, but that will be when I finally add the Simped rudder pedals http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif..

For a serious flight simmer, that plans on doing this for quite a while, the TM Cougar is worth considering imho. I know mine will last as long as I want it to now, and a real joy to use. The programmability of the Cougar is unsurpassed, but you got to dig in and learn the ins and outs.

There are lots of happy Cougar owners, just check out Cougar World on Frugal's site. But for just the casual flight simmer, something less expensive would probably make more sense.
If I were buying a Hotas, and not the Cougar, I would go for the CH usb Hotas, it gets a lot of good press.

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-15-2005, 09:14 AM
Remember, you needn't buy the entire CH HOTAS all at once. You can get by just fine with the stick alone...for now (especially, if you have any version of Track IR). You can always add the pedals and throttle later as your wallet allows and you will end up with likely the best controllers for ANY Flight-sim...period.


TB

Bearcat99
04-15-2005, 05:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Orion_GR:
i use the MS Sidewinder FF2 with X-45 Throtle and is OK for me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I use your setup with pedals TIR and VAC and I am set.

JunkoIfurita
04-15-2005, 06:03 PM
Hi Neil,

While I'd reccomend the Sidewinder, I've heard Microsoft has discontinued its production so you'll have a hard time finding one.

Everyone who's owned Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 sticks seemed pretty happy with them.

I use the X52 myself (one of the lower serial numbers with the bad firmware too), which I personally think is a great stick, although everyone is correct that it needed a fair bit of tweaking before it was up to standard. The bonus is that you can have a whole HOTAS setup for the price of the CH fighterstick (without the throttle or rudder pedals). And it's all USB so you could add rudder pedals later, if you wish.

But, I owned a Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner II before the X52, and as a starter stick you can't go wrong. Sure, it breaks down after a year or so (the throttle is just on plastic pots), but out of the box it's one of the most easy to use Throttle/Stick combos around. No tweaking required. The X45 is about the same price (second hand), but you'll still need to tweak your settings (like the X52) before you can use it.

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VELCRO_FLY
04-15-2005, 07:29 PM
This is a bit like arguing over guitars, cars, fighters, etc, etc, etc. . . What it comes down to for me is: Do I like it, can I afford it. I flew with a logitech extreme for years. Admittedly it was a piece of junk, the twist rudder never worked, but don't get me started on that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif. However, it was okay for flying by myself offline. When I started flying online I wanted something a little better that would not cost me an arm and a leg. I heard all the pros and cons of everything out there and still didn't know what to do, so I went with the X45 (ebay for $40 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). I love it, other people hate them and swear by something else. Just gather info, like you are doing here, make a decision and have fun flying. Select something based on your needs and you won't go wrong.

531 Ghost
04-16-2005, 08:53 PM
Nuff said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dutch60:
Here we go again!

If you can afford it go for the full CH Products setup and while you are at it don€t forget to buy a TrackIR 3 Pro.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://home.planet.nl/~elzer033/input/ch_usb_hotas.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~elzer033/input/track_ir3pro.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dutch60
04-16-2005, 11:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 531 Ghost:
Nuff said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dutch60:
Here we go again!

If you can afford it go for the full CH Products setup and while you are at it don€t forget to buy a TrackIR 3 Pro.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://home.planet.nl/~elzer033/input/ch_usb_hotas.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~elzer033/input/track_ir3pro.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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