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SupSub
06-13-2011, 04:58 AM
Hi

I'm interested in buying SH4 but I have two questions:

- I don't now much about commanding submarines, will the game teach me?
- Can I run on my laptop?
The website 'Can You Run It' failed my laptop because of the videocard. (It's a business laptop)


Required You Have
RAM 128 MB 359.0 MB
3D Yes Yes
Hardware T&L Yes Yes
Pixel Shader version 2.0 4.0
Vertex Shader version 2.0 4.0

My card is a: Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family

Problem?

Thanks in advance.

Mescator
06-13-2011, 06:47 AM
The game will teach you, although expect a very steep learning curve. The community's will help if you read around some guides though =)

With that said, i doubt your laptop will run it. From what i can gather from the few bits of info you've posted that's a onboard graphics card and a fairly weedy one at that.

SupSub
06-13-2011, 07:01 AM
Blast!

You sure?
Cause my card got al the necessary features (and even doubles some of them: 128 < 359).
Still i got a negative advice from 'Can You Run It'...

It is indead a standard onboard card though.

So, not even with settings at minimum?

As long as the game teaches me, the curve is not a problem. I've always had in interest in science and subs.

Thanks for the quick respons!

cgkstealth
06-13-2011, 08:04 AM
I have to agree with Mescator, I don't think that an on-board graphics chip will run SH4. Depending on how interested in the game you are, however, it may be worth a shot. If you do decide to try it though I would not expect to be playing on the highest graphics settings by any means. I'm afraid it would be lowest settings, if at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

As Mescator said though, there is a rather steep learning curve (even more-so with mods, but lets not go there quite yet). On the bright side, though, most of the experienced salts here are more than willing to help out with any and all of your game-related conundrums. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Jose.MaC
06-13-2011, 10:20 AM
Why you don't try the original Silent Hunter? Runs in MsDOS (so you can play it in DOSBox or any other emulator, I run it in my XP machine without trouble in the MSDOS compatibility mode), and your machine will be able to move it at top detail. Also, still being funny to play (you may say that SH IV mimics it), and you can find it for a few bucks in e-bay and other online shops.

Anyway, sub games are a little bit special.

SupSub
06-13-2011, 11:10 AM
I was aiming for SH4 since this guy is offering it on ebay for 10,- and he lives less than 2km from my place...

Maybe I should go for SH3?
Can you run it (SH3) on Win 7?

I hope you can but 'Can you run it' also fails my system for SH3, for the same reason (graphics) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I can't believe that my (in 2008, state of the art) machine could'nt run games from 2005!
2005!? Thats 6 years ago! That's like an era in ICT!

Anyhow... assuming you guys also played SH3;
Is SH3 a good alternative for SH4?

Sorry for the 'one-post, multiple-questions'.

Thanks again for your answers!

(And sorry about my english. Feel free to correct me since I'm eager to learn)

AndyJWest
06-13-2011, 12:26 PM
Is SH3 a good alternative for SH4?
Yes. Arguably, in some ways the gameplay is better, though it is mostly a matter of personal taste.

Somehow, I doubt that SH3 is going to run on your laptop either though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

SupSub
06-14-2011, 02:07 AM
This guy says (on some forum) it is possible:
http://forum.notebookreview.co...stions-re-6710b.html (http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-compaq/241696-questions-re-6710b.html)

I also have a 6510b but faster processor (T9300).

Should I take the guess?

(I wish I could be asking questions about calculating torpedo targeting instead of system requirements...)

Wolferz
06-14-2011, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by SupSub:
This guy says (on some forum) it is possible:
http://forum.notebookreview.co...stions-re-6710b.html (http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-compaq/241696-questions-re-6710b.html)

I also have a 6510b but faster processor (T9300).

Should I take the guess?

(I wish I could be asking questions about calculating torpedo targeting instead of system requirements...)

Welcome to the fleet, Supsub.
If System Requirements Lab red flagged your video chips it means that you "might" be able to run SHIV but it will probably be a slide show. Even on the minimum graphic settings.
SHIV can bring even the most beastly of rigs to its knees.
Neptunes' crystal ball reveals a new rig in your future because a laptop isn't going to cut it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

cgkstealth
06-14-2011, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Wolferz:
SHIV can bring even the most beastly of rigs to its knees.

There are some very <STRIKE>addicted</STRIKE> dedicated skippers here with uber-high-performance rigs who I'm sure can attest to that (not gonna mention any names, I think they know who they are) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I know for a fact that it can bring my system to a virtual crawl in the 5000-8000 TC range very quickly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif .

SupSub
06-16-2011, 05:09 AM
Since this one guy is saying it's possible to run SH3 on my notebook, I'm going to give it a try...

But can I run it on Win 7?

Is SHIV really such a system killer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif?

Jose.MaC
06-16-2011, 10:10 AM
I updated my 2001' PC with a new graphic card -an ATI X1650pro, the bigger thing I could attach to the motherboard, a 2006 desing-, and though I was able to make the game work, it moved pretty slow rendering it practically unplayable. Nowadays, I play it with a more powerful PC dating from 2008, equiped with ASUS EAH3650, it moves well but tends to set the emp of my card at 80 C. So yes, is a graphic card killer!

About playing SH III in Windows 7, you can get info here. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/857101043/m/4301071619)

Mescator
06-17-2011, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by SupSub:
I can't believe that my (in 2008, state of the art) machine could'nt run games from 2005!
2005!? Thats 6 years ago! That's like an era in ICT!

Keep in mind that laptop wasn't state of the art as far as 3D goes at all. It doesn't even come with a dedicated card. It simply wasn't designed for a 3D application in mind.


Originally posted by SupSub:
is SHIV really such a system killer Smile?

Yes and no. Aspects of it can be incredibly intensive, which is where most people will agree you'll have troubles. Large quantities of ships, especially with water effects will slow the system down. It's not more intensive than a lot of other games out there, but these spikes during action can cripple it pretty quickly =(

I'd strongly recommend a proper computer though. 800 bucks will go a long way at the moment.

SupSub
06-17-2011, 03:36 AM
Keep in mind that laptop wasn't state of the art as far as 3D goes at all. It doesn't even come with a dedicated card. It simply wasn't designed for a 3D application in mind.

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Yeah I know. It's a business notebook, but still... I thought maybe the processor could compensate for the lack of 3D capabilities... but I guess not. No problem I'll give SH3 a try. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Originally posted by Mescator:

Yes and no. Aspects of it can be incredibly intensive, which is where most people will agree you'll have troubles. Large quantities of ships, especially with water effects will slow the system down. It's not more intensive than a lot of other games out there, but these spikes during action can cripple it pretty quickly =(

I'd strongly recommend a proper computer though. 800 bucks will go a long way at the moment.

Although it would be nice, I don't think it would be worth it.
I like gaming but as a busy student, I don't always have the time for it.
Basically I play a very limited number of games for a long time.
For the rest of my computer usage I really need a mobile, stable system (=small sized, business notebook).
Right now I'll go for SH3.. and by the time SHVII is released, I'll probably be playing SH4.
Thanks for your advice though.

Jose.MaC
06-17-2011, 10:03 AM
A number of us have SH V getting dust in the shelf: is a disapointing game. If SH VI and VII are as troubled as SH V, take for sure you will find us playing SH IV and SH III.

SH III was a revolutionary game in the series, while SH IV is just an evolution of it. And SH V tried again a new concept, with little success.

I like better the way you can get a new sub in SH III than in SH IV: in SH III you can decide when to buy a new model and you have access to all its data prior of your shopping, while in SH IV you are simply asked if you want to accept the command of a new one: you don't know if is better or not than your previous sub. In SH V, you can play only uboat-VII variants until 1944 or 1943 -in the other hand, you've access to the whole sub and you interact with the crew, something that proved to be not so interesting.

Wolferz
06-17-2011, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by SupSub:
Since this one guy is saying it's possible to run SH3 on my notebook, I'm going to give it a try...

But can I run it on Win 7?

Is SHIV really such a system killer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif?

SHIII on Win7? Doubtful. My copy runs an OS snoop in the installer, looking for Windows XP or 98. If it doesn't see one of those, it won't install. Planned obsolescence of the game would be my logical assumption. Surely they knew that there would be newer versions of Windows coming down the pike and they chose to ignore that fact by placing the snooper within the installer and only allowing the use of XP or 98.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gifBob Saget!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

WernherVonTrapp
06-17-2011, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by SupSub:
Since this one guy is saying it's possible to run SH3 on my notebook, I'm going to give it a try...

But can I run it on Win 7?

Is SHIV really such a system killer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif?
I wouldn't say it's a system killer. Like any other game, it was designed with graphics that are recommended for certain systems. With that line of thinking, I suppose any game that's beyond the capability (as per the System Requirements) of a specific PC/Laptop, is a "system killer".

BTW, there's nothing wrong with listening to "one guy" if he has the "straight dope" on the matter. And I'm not saying that he doesn't. All I'm saying is, don't put all your eggs (hopes) in one basket. There's a lot of people here that play these sims (SHI, SHII, SHIII, SHIV) on a daily basis, and for hours at a time, day after day. These are the guys I trust for the straightest dope on SH matters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh yeah, welcome abroad SupSub. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Mescator
06-17-2011, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by Wolferz:

SHIII on Win7? Doubtful. My copy runs an OS snoop in the installer, looking for Windows XP or 98. If it doesn't see one of those, it won't install. Planned obsolescence of the game would be my logical assumption. Surely they knew that there would be newer versions of Windows coming down the pike and they chose to ignore that fact by placing the snooper within the installer and only allowing the use of XP or 98.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gifBob Saget!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Yeah, Ubisoft dumped that on a lot of games from the Area. Pandora tomorrow and Chaos theory had it as well. It's just a side effect of a notoriously bad piece of DRM =(

SupSub
06-19-2011, 09:00 AM
Guys on SH3 forum told me I should be able to run it on my system.

So from now on, I'll use the SH3 forum.

Thanks for your help and enjoy hunting!