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M_Gunz
08-05-2009, 07:24 PM
I've seen the first one and it's very good. Some switches you need to go from cruise to fighting state
include guns and gun sight.

Waldo -- HEAD'S UP, a.b.mm.documentaries, nuff sed!

Youtube link -- has an added intro by Cliff Robertson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Dnobip_E4)
The other half of part 1.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1U5IwToNmA&NR=1)
DOH! 3rd "half"! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6r9A0CF-0Y&feature=related)

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Hunters in the Sky - Fighter Aces of World War II

Air combat is quick… Each choice must be decisive and executed without hesitation. Mere seconds can decide who will go down in the record books and who will go down in flames. In the high arenas of the Second World War, only a select few earned the ambitious title of ‘Fighter Ace’. Now, this sweeping 13 episode documentary series recounts the death-defying stories of those amazing flying warriors. Thrilling, rare footage of actual dogfights and coordinated air strikes combined with candid personal narratives from surviving Fighter aces tell the comprehensive story of the men from all nations who flew to defend their flags.

The most comprehensive series ever produced on the Fighter Aces of World War II. Each program includes extraordinary air combat footage shot at the height of raging dogfights. Surviving Fighter Aces from all sides of the conflict- from Japan, Germany, Britain, Russia, Canada, Australia and the United States- provide vivid and graphic first hand accounts of what it was really like to be a fighter pilot in some of the greatest air battles the world has ever known.

Episode 1: Knights in the Sky

A galaxy of international aces are seen in aerial combat as a series prelude. They describe the qualities great aces must have, and recall a heritage that begins with chivalrous fighter duels of World War I and ends when Luftwaffe pilots hone their skills in Spain during the bloody dress rehearsal for World War II.


Episode 2: Defending the Realm

The German blitzkreig by the invincible Luftwaffe crushes Poland, France, Denmark and Norway- but a handful of fighter pilots saves the Empire during the Battle of Britain.


Episode 3: Red Star Rising

The Soviet Air Force is all but wiped out by the Luftwaffe- but recovers to fight the invader to a standstill in the most atrocious winter ever encountered.


Episode 4: Tigers Over China

New fighter aces are born with the emergence of the Flying Tigers. They were the first all volunteer American force to battle the Japanese in the Chinese sky.


Episode 5: Hell in the Pacific

Americans are outnumbered everywhere, but turn the tide at Midway. The ragged Cactus Air Force on Guadalcanal battles against odds over the bitterly contested South Pacific.


Episode 6: Under All Flags

Some of the deadliest Allied aces of the war emerge from International squadrons of the Royal Air Force. Their own nations crushed under the iron heel of a conqueror, desperate and determined men make perilous journeys to England and continue the fight in the skies over occupied England.


Episode 7: Big Friend, Little Friend

Now equipped with long-range fighters, American aces wage a war deep in the heart of the Reich while escorting heavy bombers to distant targets. Goring sees P-51s over Europe and admits the war is lost.


Episode 8: Struggle for Supremacy

From the first to the last, nations frantically seek to give their fighter pilots the winning edge in planes, engines, guns and tactics in combat by day and by night. The Germans shock the Allies when they win the race for committing jet and rocket fighters to the battle- a race won too late.


Episode 9: Assault on Fortress Europe

The Allies take the offensive as the tide of war turns against the Axis in the Mediterranean and in Europe. The fury of war in the air takes a heavy toll on attacker and defender alike but the undermanned and outgunned Luftwaffe is defiant in the face of certain defeat.


Episode 10: Closing the Ring

Marine valor paves the way for the aerial assault on Japan. During the relentless march westward, the rivalry heats up between top aces **** Bong and Tom McGuire, and Admiral Yamamoto is the victim of aerial assassination.


Episode 11: Fall of the Third Reich

The final aerial battles between Soviet and German fighter pilots. Russian aircraft now equal those flown by the Luftwaffe, whose pilots face incursion from the east as well as the west. The top Russian ace reaches 62 kills, the top German ace is credited with 352.


Episode 12: Victory in the Pacific

After the Great Marianas Turkey shoot, Japanese airpower declines as American fighter pilots in the Pacific reach the zenith of their deadly profession. The final fighter pilot kill of the war is over Japan.


Episode 13: Reflections on War

In this final episode, victors of aerial duels in the skies of every theater of war reach inside memories etched in steel for the skills and relentless purpose that elevated them to the ranks of the great aces.

Waldo.Pepper
08-05-2009, 08:24 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I posted Hunters to abma over a year ago.

After I get finished with posting the 24 parts of Red Stars I am going to post a six part series on Flying Boats.

Freiwillige
08-05-2009, 08:57 PM
I have that series on VHS. Its rather good for sure.

Waldo.Pepper
08-05-2009, 09:02 PM
It is not bad. It has the usual missmash of footage that often as not does not quite jive with the narration. But the strongest part of the series is the interviews with the Veteran pilots.

M_Gunz
08-05-2009, 09:09 PM
I don't catch many errors, few really, in this one but here and there... while the words introducing the start of
Barbarossa tell of the Luftwaffe starting the first day there are two shots of FW-190's that I don't think the FW's
were used that soon?

Compared to Wings it's amazingly accurate but then I regard Wings as a kind of a count how many screwups trivia game.

Waldo.Pepper
08-06-2009, 02:41 AM
I had a quick look at episode one again. Here are some things that bugged me.

2:40 - Il-2 depicted as fighter.
3:23 Prewar Ju-86 shown participating in WW2 blitz of 1939-1940.

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/ju86-1.jpg

5:00 - Typhoon shown as in service for BOB.
6:17 P-38 shown as the plane that wounded Saburo Sakai.
12:40 When E. Hartmann is being interviewed about how he likes to down an enemy plane. Ironically a 109 fitted with gunpods is shown getting chopped to pieces by Allied fire.
15:18 Il-2 again shown as fighter.

Still the series is good. Far better than Wings. I just wish that the editors had consulted one of us before they used any old stock footage to accompany the excellent interviews that they did.

Tully__
08-06-2009, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I had a quick look at episode one again. Here are some things that bugged me....

That's comparatively good for a documentary, I've seen them talking about a Hurricane shooting a Messerschmidt while showing a Zero being shot down...

M_Gunz
08-06-2009, 03:55 AM
Waldo, the IL2 was originally used as a fighter/interceptor! Honest! The single seater was used so.

Waldo.Pepper
08-06-2009, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Waldo, the IL2 was originally used as a fighter/interceptor! Honest! The single seater was used so.

And if they had shown the single-seater I would have been fine with it.

P.S. Good God did you really think I didn't know that? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Originally posted by Tully__:
That's comparatively good for a documentary, I've seen them talking about a Hurricane shooting a Messerschmidt while showing a Zero being shot down...

LOL There is some of that too in the other episodes. Still the series is better than most. (And I have consistently said that too!)

hirosangels
08-07-2009, 02:37 PM
Wow, theres a story about the fighter pilot who set his plane for cruise as he thought they were done (gun switched off, gunsight closed etc mix set to cruise), and surprise Zero shot down a bomber and the crew was lost (and he was the one protecting the area) . . . he wasn't ready to attack the Zero, and if he had kept the ready state . .. to this day, the remorse and guilt remain with him . . .

M_Gunz
08-07-2009, 03:33 PM
Still watching episodes. It's becoming obvious that as it went along they became pressed for time and budget.
Halfway through it's not just images but words.. things said that while technically true are misleading due to missing
parts and what to me looks like word-budgeting or that's the scale. Sure the Spit IX's got a supercharger that let
them fight the FW's but if you didn't know they already had superchargers then it would be all too easy to conclude
that the Spit IX was the first Spit with a supercharger! The way the words are arranged and read, the emphasis and
timing is just bad in places so the words are true but the message, not always. I can see the posts later where the
misinterpretations will be stated as FACT. They don't seem to know that Mustangs were used until the Merlins and
long range tanks were added either... the series loses a star out of five with me. They tried to pack too much into
too few episodes (besides depending a bit too much on mismatched stock footage), should have run twice as many.

Well, the interview segments are 5-star all the way though! I'm still hearing things uncovered there, the views
and opinions of those men. Not all the last word on every detail but hey what it was like, really good stuff!

VMF-214_HaVoK
08-08-2009, 08:40 PM
Good stuff! A real pleasure to watch such a program that poses questions, answers, and interviews for United States, United Kingdom, Germany, Russia, and Japan. Definitely not "Wings" or "Dogfights". Although I do enjoy those shows. This is an example of how it should be done.

Thanks for link! I now have it archived. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

M_Gunz
08-08-2009, 11:50 PM
The whole series is 13 episodes. I didn't check if they are all on youtube.