01-08-2005, 03:10 PM
Found this link http://www.igda.org/Forums/showthread.php?s=cc452c0c09570448adbbad35d96c27c6&threadid=13370&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 I think these guys are pulling a FAST ONE on our Game Designer just to make a fast buck

01-08-2005, 04:32 PM
Interesting read.

01-08-2005, 04:40 PM
LoL... This was posted a while ago.

01-08-2005, 04:46 PM
Must have missed it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

01-08-2005, 06:01 PM
Just mis-spell the names of the planes. They do that anyway. TBF Avennger. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

01-08-2005, 06:14 PM
If this continues you may not be able to use RAf markings on planes:


Note the comment: "However we are happy that the roundel has been protected as a trademark in respect of other goods and services."

01-08-2005, 07:50 PM
When is somebody just gonna sneeze real hard and call, "bullsh!t!!!" on this????

If this were a real concern it would have happened earlier, and Grumman would've gone after Microsoft, who has deep pockets and has modelled planes in their sims.

01-08-2005, 07:53 PM
A) I wouldn't sneeze it.

B) I'd get a megaphone.

C) I'd have a satellite news network on the spot when I yelled it.

01-09-2005, 05:35 AM
REDHAWK_1, thanks for the link. I was wondering about the rumblings I've been reading about Northrup/Grumman's legal (illegal?) actions WRT 1C games. I guess this stink started during the holidays (which also makes my dirty dealings sense tingle), so I missed the news at the start of the stink.

I'd like to say I'd never heard of this kind of thing before in the gaming community, but over the years it keeps rearing its ugly head. From Honda refusing to license it's Gran Prix car for GPL, to the goofy made-up names for planes and weapons mentioned in the linked thread, there doesn't seem to be any concrete law governing the matter. The matter seems to be ruled by schoolground bully tactics as much as law and/or common sense.

I'm sorry to hear Ubisoft caved and gave NG a dime. While it may speed up 3.04's release, it sets a bad precedent. Hopefully some game developer will have the resources to bring this to court, if nothing else to establish a legal precedent, instead of a precedent for intimidation (one reason I'm glad to hear NG is going after FS 2004...cousin Billy has deep enough pockets to call them to task.) There needs to be a definitive legal binding judgement of common sense. For planes 60 years out of production, who's manufacturers were absorbed three mergers ago, that would hopefully be fairly simple. Using the likenesses of current planes (or cars, atheletes etc.) would be a more slippery slope our community luckily won't have to deal with immediately.

I'm also ashamed that the US aerospace industry is apparently so cash-strapped that it feels that shaking down a small Russian software developer is good risk management. They've turned an instance that could have had some positive PR value into an act of bullying, where no one wins.

Even the rationalization of protecting the "image" of its products is hard to buy. 1C portrays the planes and ships as accurately as possible. Even if 1C's use opens the door to other developers who might portray the Corsair or Lexington in a less favorable light, why shake down 1C to prevent this hypothetical future abuse? And if protection were the motive, why would NG shut up after the Ubisoft check cleared?

01-09-2005, 06:06 AM
I think this IP issue is a routine business matter. If Ubi/1C have good specialists on their side to negotiate it there should not be much fuss over it. But keep us posted and let us know if N/G takes an unreasonable position or take some ununsual steps or something of this kind, we may be able to give some hints http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Lt.Commander Whatsmypassword, Air Wing "Legal Eagles" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif