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ouston
01-12-2007, 04:25 PM
In Britain there has been a series of advertisments on the TV which suggest that SAAB cars are obviously better than the rest because the company also produces jet fighters. Sweden has a long and honourable tradition of neutrality so I am interested to know whether a SAAB aircraft has actually scored an air to air victory. This is entirely driven by curiosity rather suggesting any correlation between your fighters are cr*p therefore your cars must be also. The periods when SAAB aircraft might have been in action seem to me to be either border incursions during WWII or operations in support of the UN (Congo early 1960s). We have some very well informed people on this forum and I would be interested to hear what they say.

Pip pip

Ouston

jimDG
01-13-2007, 05:09 PM
I dont think they ever mixed up with anything but Tu-84s. On the other hand, there is a small company made up of ex-USAAF guys in the states, that flies several aircraft as "opposition" during dissimilar air combat trainig for the USAAF. One of their planes is a Viggen, and from what Ive heard it rocks, at least vs. USA hardware.

BaronUnderpants
01-14-2007, 12:41 AM
J29 Tunnan would be your best bet ( Congo ). Not that i ever read anything about dogfights taking place there.

I do know that the J-29 would give Mig-15 and F-86 a run for their money.

The J-29 impressed a lot of people with theire rugidness and capability, especially in Congo.

JG53Frankyboy
01-14-2007, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by ouston:
In Britain there has been a series of advertisments on the TV which suggest that SAAB cars are obviously better than the rest because the company also produces jet fighters. Sweden has a long and honourable tradition of neutrality so I am interested to know whether a SAAB aircraft has actually scored an air to air victory. This is entirely driven by curiosity rather suggesting any correlation between your fighters are cr*p therefore your cars must be also. ............

actually, today the car producer SAAB and the plane prodicer SAAB are twoo different companies ! SAAB cars is owned by General Motors btw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

major_setback
01-14-2007, 05:48 AM
If you look for Swedish combat info you will have to look hard. Better to try looking for combat involving SAAB exports.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F16_Petter
01-14-2007, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by F16_Petter:
Nice thread..
glad you are interested..

I would say that the commercial is not too great if they compare SAAB cars with SAAB aeroplanes..
(just my opinion)

I was in the airforce 10 years ago with the viggen system, and my quick judgement would say that the Swedish aircraft are somewhat difficult to compare since they all have been specifically designed for defensive operations of Sweden.
That has not made it impossible for external customers to show interest, like in the case of the J35 Draken. It is a 50´s fighter that until recently was in use with Finland, Denmark and Austria. What I can tell you from the viggen system is that the aircraft is very robust and very capable in terms of what it was designed to meet. And im lucky we (Sweden) dont have combat records, because that would have ment world war 3.
Big Grin

Here is some very interesting reading regarding the latest SAAB fighter:
Article on JAS39 (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/07/the-jas39-gripen-swedens-4th-generation-wild-card/index.php)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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zugfuhrer
01-14-2007, 10:37 AM
The swedish fighter airforce got more killed than killed themselfes during WW2. Most where shoot down by allied bomber-gunners.

The J22 prime fighter aircraft, looked like a FW and the USAF/RAF-crew was jumpy when they tried to fly to sweden in a damaged bomber. So when a J22 met the bombers for neutrality control gunners opened fire at the swedes.
I have read that an Me-210:s reargunner shoot down a swedish fighter. The 210 followed a damaged bomber but was driven off by swedish fighters.

One more modern incident I read about in the newspaper in 1985 was when Swedens spyship Orion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Orion
was watching a newly launched soviet submarine Kilo-class. Two fighter Viggen J37 flew over the area.
VVS sent up four SU-15 to make sure that their border wasnt crossed.
The pilots started a game of cat and mouse, locking their radar onto each other.
During the evasive manouvres to leave the radarlock, one VVVS pilot crashed into the sea.
According to newspapers it was shoot down by the Swedish airforce, and the swedish Ambassador in moskow was called to the soviet minister of foreign affairs Andrei Gromyko to explain what happend.

F16_Petter
01-18-2007, 06:12 AM
The J22 was not a SAAB aircraft.
(it was a rushed design by FFVS and quite a good one too, but a bit underpowered due to powerplant shortages)

Speaking of SAAB and advertisments here is a funny video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GxPVOn07Iw&mode=related&search=
(its a bit car-salesman jibberish, but will give you some nice info)
this one is nice too in HD video!
HD Video 200Mb (http://www.bluesky.se//movies/GRIPEN%20Aerial%20Display%20HD.wmv)

Not many nations produce their fighter aircraft today. Originally the design and concept is Swedish but is in a joint venture with BAe (sales & marketing etc)

I think this is the last SAAB aircraft however.. it will fly for at least 30 years.
(unless UAV´s take over it will fly for 50)
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