View Full Version : December 7th, 1941... a day which will live.... in infamy.....

12-07-2005, 05:37 AM
In memory of all the fathers, sons, brothers, mothers, daughters, aunts uncles and friends.. who never came home.

<span class="ev_code_RED">-=!</span><span class="ev_code_WHITE">S</span><span class="ev_code_BLUE">!=-</span>


12-07-2005, 06:02 AM

12-07-2005, 06:19 AM
Indeed, thanks for reminding me! S~

12-07-2005, 06:23 AM
"A date that will live in infamy"
President Roosvelt 12-08-1941


12-07-2005, 10:17 AM
Today also happens to be my dad's 70'th birthday. Somehow he always seems younger than 70 to me.

He grew up dirt poor in Montague County Texas, near the towns of Bowie and Nocona. They lived in a shotgun house and his X-Mas present(s) until he was a teenager were usually a pair of Buster Brown shoes and an orange. If he were lucky he might even get a pair of overalls.

He can remember that the day after his birthday, he and his 3 siblings had just finished their chores & were goofing off outside, when their mom told them to come in the house because the president was on the radio. He didn't really understand the signifigance of what happened, (he was only 6), but it did cause big changes in their lives. My grandfather was 4F because of a heart condition so he packed up the entire family and moved to Oakland, CA, where he got a job at a shipyard. They lived their until the end of the war when they moved back to Texas.

My dad has some pretty neat stories about what it was like back then.

12-07-2005, 10:45 AM
Actually, I think Roosevelt meant to say "A date which "we'll live in infamy", not "will live in infamy". Big difference between the words we'll and will. I may be wrong I admit, but it makes more sense to me like that.

12-07-2005, 10:52 AM
I think that Roosevelt was trying to say that Dec. 7th would be a day the nation would never forget.

12-07-2005, 11:14 AM
S! indeed

12-07-2005, 11:33 AM
A good time to also remember the evil that started that terrible war...lest we forget...


12-07-2005, 03:01 PM

12-07-2005, 03:04 PM
Battleship Row at Dawn



12-07-2005, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Actually, I think Roosevelt meant to say "A date which "we'll live in infamy", not "will live in infamy". Big difference between the words we'll and will. I may be wrong I admit, but it makes more sense to me like that.
Gotta prove you wrong unfortunately... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here's the quote: "Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan."

A link to a transcription: http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/infamy.html

Having a looked around...they all say the same thing so this is it.

I look on this day, although somewhat removed from the whole thing, as a tragedy on both sides. Having found the whole thing very interesting in a historical sense as it brought the United States into the war which had already been going on and in a matter of hours changed what had been the status quo for quite some time.

12-07-2005, 03:39 PM

12-07-2005, 03:53 PM

12-07-2005, 04:16 PM
Audio segment of Roosevelt's "day of infamy" (http://www.remember.gov/history/images/world_war2/infamy.wav) speech (528kb).

I think those most qualified to remember this are the survivors.

12-07-2005, 04:39 PM
My father was riding in a car, coming back to Ohio from a gig in Detroit (he was a musician), when he heard on the radio about it. He told his buddies in the car: "Here we go." Less than a year later he was playing in an Army Air Corps band, his brother Jack was in the USMC headed for New Zealand, and his younger brother Bob was training to be a B17 top turret gunner. Bob's aircraft was brought down by flak on it's second to last mission over Germany. No survivors.

Salute to my Father and his generation.

12-07-2005, 05:08 PM
National Geographic has a nice commemorative:


God bless "the greatest generation". We owe them so much.

12-07-2005, 07:36 PM
The events of 7 December shaped, for good or bad, much of what we are as a nation today.

S! To the servicemen who fought honrably on both sides.

12-07-2005, 07:55 PM
-S- !

12-07-2005, 08:34 PM
Dec 8th, my grandfather was steaming his way towards Guam after being pulled out of Manchuria 2 months earlier.

12-07-2005, 10:52 PM

12-08-2005, 01:39 AM
I saw a little "today in history" thing in the paper today.

Said that Canada was actually the first allied country to declare war, officially, on Japan. Mere hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Canada was followed the next day, the eighth, by the U.S., Great Britain and others.

I learn something new and cool about the country of my birth every day. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

310th Falcon
12-08-2005, 01:51 AM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">~S!~</span>

Best Regards

12-08-2005, 02:53 AM
i keep forgeting to ask my grandfather as to what his involvment was during the attack on pearl harbor. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif He was in the navy then.


12-08-2005, 07:32 PM
For anyone who is interested, check out the December 2005 issue of "World War II" magazine. The "Undercover" segment spotlights a book by Joseph Barber entitled " Hawai'i: Restless Rampart". The book was published in 1940, and foretold the attack. It describes how the Army and Navy had been preparing for war with Japan for 10 years preceding the Pearl Harbor attack, and that Oahu was the strongest fortified island in the world other than Britain. The book was written with the full cooperation of the Army and Navy, which clearly foresaw the coming war. In historical retrospect, one could argue that we should not have been caught so flat-footed, given what the long term plans of our armed forces were. As a matter of fact, two of the U.S. carriers missing from Pearl were ferrying warplanes to bases near(er) Japan at the time of the attack.

12-08-2005, 09:01 PM
I wrote the following poem on the 49th anniversary. I post it here for your comments.

Richard Scott

The essence of One Cut, We climbed Mt. Niitaka,

That bright December morning on the East Wind Rain.

Crying, €œAsia for Asians!€, we stooped out of the sky over the harbor of pearls,

Like cherry blossom petals on the Kamikaze,

To slay the sleeping giant, honor our Emperor and our ancestors.

We ran wild over the Pacific for a year,

But we had only awakened the giant,

Filling him with a terrible resolve.

Our Chiburi, blood falling like rain,

Was scattered across the jungles and atolls of the Pacific,

Leaving a trail for him to follow,

Back to the home islands.

We honored our Emperor and our ancestors,

But the giant brought with him the Whirlwind,

That burned shadows into the walls of Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

And changed the Divine Showa into a human being.

Richard Scott
Copyright 1990
all rights reserved

12-08-2005, 10:05 PM
Wish Oleg/crew would've modeled just one of the old USN BB class. Even simplified polygons - 'cause those ships were beautifully complex/detailed structures.

12-15-2005, 07:23 PM
Last year, when my ship (USS John C. Stennis CVN-74) was moored at pier K in Pearl Harbor across from Ford Island, I went to the fantail to look at the USS Arizona. I was amazed to actually be in the place that so many sailors still rest. I don't think that there is any way to fully grasp the sounds and visions presented to the people in the area that morning. I can't even fully describe how I felt being there 63 years after the fact. I can say that the feeling of history is still there. And that every time I man the rails of an Aircraft Carrier coming and going from Pearl, I am thankful that I was given the opportunity to express my gratitude to those still on duty onboard Arizona in person, with a salute.

AM2(AW) Browning
VFA-137 "Kestrels"
CVW-2 USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72)