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spmcfarland
03-29-2006, 02:55 PM
I'm looking for something fairly specific in a game. It needs to be a flight sim, but more than that it needs to be a dogfighting sim. I'm thinking something along the lines of Crimson Skies. You know, not very realistic but crazy fun. I want a game that doesn't worry about flaps or trim and focusses on fast-action dogfighting instead. I had heard that Pacific Fighters could be this kind of a game, that it could have the difficulty tweeked to make it as realistic or not as the user wanted.

So I went to go pick up a copy, but alas, all they had was the original IL2. Well, I bought it anyway, thinking it would give me a clue as to the gameplay. After about 5 minutes of training missions which were incredibly complicated and which had virtually no user controls just to learn how to fly without crashing, I gave up. And as had as I tried I could find to difficulty or realism settings at all.

Does Pacific Fighters have the features I'm looking for, or is it just IL2 with new stuff? What is the multiplayer action like (since I never got that far)? How many people generally are playing at once, and how fast is the dogfighting action? And if Pacific Fighters is more of a truely realistic combat sim, does anybody know a good multiplayer game with a more 'arcade' playstyle?

Enthor1
03-29-2006, 03:03 PM
Open the Quick Mission Builder, pick your plane, pick the bad guys plane, pick his ability, click Difficulty and turn off anything you want and dogfight away.

Obviously that is about as basic as it can get, take some AI friends, give him some AI friends and set ability for all from rookie to ace to spice things up.

When you get tired of that come on back and we will fix you up with whatever else you want to know.

There is a whole lot more but as you are just getting into IL2 there is no need to overload you with info.

Xiolablu3
03-29-2006, 03:07 PM
NO - Pacific fighters is a sim like IL2, the games you are looking for are Crimson Skies or the new blazing angels, fun unrealistic dogfighting with no real flight stuff at all are what you want.


You should persevere with IL2, although its very old now, its still basically a sim, you will most likeley find Pacific fighters even harder tho because its got added effects such as gravity,wind, torque etc which are all more realistic but harder...

The Il2 series is so much more rewarding than those arcade 'flight' games, although I like them too, they are a good addition for the times you just want a good blast.

Kraayy
03-29-2006, 03:11 PM
There was no gravity before PF?

Divine-Wind
03-29-2006, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Kraayy:
There was no gravity before PF?
Nope. Planes just floated around like feathers, until Oleg ruined everything by adding gravity in with FB and PF.

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Dash_C.
03-29-2006, 03:53 PM
I gotta agree. You're probably looking for a game more along the lines of Blazing Angels. However, if you ever feel like you want more of a challenge, then Il2 is for you.

Skycat_2
03-29-2006, 04:11 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">Warning: Provoking the Grognards may be hazardous to your tail</span>

Pacific Fighters is actually harder than original IL-2 if you factor in carrier landings, wind, and increased pilot controls like air/fuel mixture and magnetos.

That said, Pacific Fighters (and/or Forgotten Battles) can be scaled down significantly in the difficulty options menu of the game before you start any mission or campaign. Want unlimited ammunition or unlimited fuel? No problem. Want to be invulnerable? No problem. Want the game to auto-manage your fuel/air mix and prop pitch? No problem. You can choose to turn off wind, air turbulence, engine torque, gyro effect or any other feature that makes flying uncomfortably difficult for you. You can also turn off the cockpit view for a floating gunsight view and turn on icons that help you identify the proximity of enemies and friendlies around you. You can edit in settings to make the enemy AI mostly rookies who only take half-hearted swipes at you.

However, FB+PF is not designed as an arcade sim in the same manner as Crimson Skies so there are some limitations to playing it 'arcade' style. I've never played Crimson Skies but I played a game that seemed similar to me, "Secret Weapons Over Normandy." SWON jumped around theaters and you were constantly buying new planes, upgrades and fighting an enemy organization called Nemisis over several unrelated theaters in a story-driven campaign. FB and PF aren't like that; you pretty much stick with whatever plane you choose to start a campaign with unless there is a change written into the campaign that automatically upgrades you. Also, the goal is mostly to just keep going up to hit the enemy and survive ... you won't be shooting down barricades for secret agents in jeeps or anything fancy like that. You won't be unlocking secret planes or fancy cut scene movies as your reward. Just medals and promotions if you fight well.

Online dogfights are a unique situation that is more 'arcade' than high fidelity sim. You have to really master your aircraft to fight well, but many people don't take the time to do that so you end up with a furball of both aces and amateurs locked in the same phone booth. If you don't mind getting shot down a whole lot of times in the course of an hour, dogfight rooms can be very intense excitement -- especially when you finally get your first kills.

Don't be afraid to give FB+AEP and/or PF a try. It's not exactly the game you're asking for by comparing it to Crimson Skies but it can be toned down to something easy to play. Otherwise, if you're wanting something more like Crimson Skies then look for some of these titles:

Heroes of the Pacific (http://www.heroesofthepacific.com/) -- What you want, I think.
Secret Weapons Over Normandy (http://www.lucasarts.com/products/normandy/)
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII (http://www.blazing-angels.com/us/) -- see thisreview (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sim/worldwariisquadron/review.html?part=rss&tag=gs_&subj=6146551)
Wings of War (http://www.gathering.com/wingsofwar/) (WWI game)

Edit: I just re-read your original post where you recounted how you gave up on IL-2 after 5 minutes because you couldn't figure out where the difficulty options were. In that game you can change most of the difficulty options through a single panel of virtual toggle switches. You'll first have to go into a game mode like "Quick Mission Builder," "Single Missions" or "Pilot Career." Once you're in one of those modes:

1) Quick Mission Builder -- The Difficulty Options is a brown button at the bottom of the screen. On the next screen you can just flip the "Easy" button at the bottom.

2) Single Missions -- First select a nationality, plane type and a mission. Hit the "Brief" button. On the next screen, the "Difficulty" button is a brown button at the bottom.

3) Pilot Career -- Choose "New." On the following screen, select nation, rank and career type. Under these menus is the "Difficulty" switch; set your difficulty for the campaign now and then Apply. Last, select "Start" to begin the campaign.

Please keep in mind that Forgotten Battles and Pacific Fighters have similar menus but may be harder to navigate. Original IL-2 is the simplest version to use.

HayateAce
03-29-2006, 04:18 PM
Yes Pacific Fighter is as arcade like Krimson Sky. Simply guick mission builder > select Fb109 G2 > click fly > hold down trigger and score killzors.

You sir, are now a roxx0n Ace Man.

Tully__
03-29-2006, 04:19 PM
It can be turned way down on the difficulty settings (as IL2 can) but it doesn't sound like this is the game for you. Nevertheless don't throw out the copy of IL2 you have, you may decide you need more challenge and come back to it.

As for multiplay, you almost certainly want something other than this series of games. Because the focus of this series is somewhat realistic simulation of real combat, most players want and most servers provide action with most of the difficulty options turned on. There aren't many servers around with all the flight difficulty turned off the way you're currently looking for.

AVG_WarHawk
03-29-2006, 04:21 PM
Skycat got it right! "Heroes of the Pacific" sounds like the flight sim you might want to start with, though I never tried it, I got it for my son just 2-3 months ago and he's now warming up to Pacific Fighters much better than earlier attempts.

VW-IceFire
03-29-2006, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by spmcfarland:
I'm looking for something fairly specific in a game. It needs to be a flight sim, but more than that it needs to be a dogfighting sim. I'm thinking something along the lines of Crimson Skies. You know, not very realistic but crazy fun. I want a game that doesn't worry about flaps or trim and focusses on fast-action dogfighting instead. I had heard that Pacific Fighters could be this kind of a game, that it could have the difficulty tweeked to make it as realistic or not as the user wanted.

So I went to go pick up a copy, but alas, all they had was the original IL2. Well, I bought it anyway, thinking it would give me a clue as to the gameplay. After about 5 minutes of training missions which were incredibly complicated and which had virtually no user controls just to learn how to fly without crashing, I gave up. And as had as I tried I could find to difficulty or realism settings at all.

Does Pacific Fighters have the features I'm looking for, or is it just IL2 with new stuff? What is the multiplayer action like (since I never got that far)? How many people generally are playing at once, and how fast is the dogfighting action? And if Pacific Fighters is more of a truely realistic combat sim, does anybody know a good multiplayer game with a more 'arcade' playstyle?
With what your asking for....Pacific Fighters is probably not going to satisfy you. PF is designed to be flexible with its difficulty level...but its still a flight simulator. Thats its focus...and rightly so as most of us here are interested in the challenge of flight and air combat and the other simpler games just don't appeal (or don't appeal anymore). I actuallly do own Crimson Skies for my X-Box and I played all the way through the game and quite lked it. But its not challenging enough nor is it realistic...its a nice diversion indeed.

What you may be more intested in is something like Blazing Angels: http://www.ubi.com/ENCA/Games/Info.aspx?pId=4326

But I think thats an XBox360 game.

I would never denigrate anyone for playing other games but I would ask you to at least consider that something like IL-2 and the entire series is a worthwhile game to play. It appears to be complicated...and it is infact complicated...but the complexity isn't really a problem after playing it for a while. If you are commited to playing it...getting online and asking for help is a good step.

spmcfarland
03-29-2006, 04:52 PM
Wow.

First of all let me say what a relief it is to see such a great community of players. I'm used to using the World of Warcraft forums where my original post would have been followed by a dozen or so 'lrn2plyulzrn00bkkthxbai' posts. Which is, of course worthless.

You guys, on the other hand, are fantastic! Lots of great information, for which I am very thankful. I went back to give IL2 another try with the settings turned down, now that I can find them. It was better, but still not quite what I'm looking for. I really do want an uber-dumbed-down dogfighter without all the fuss of realism. But I'll definitely hang on to my copy of IL2 if for no other reason than it may be nice in the future to have a more realistic flight sim with a solid community of players.

Thanks to everybody for the great info, and good hunting, whether it's realistic or not.

Taylortony
03-29-2006, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by spmcfarland:

I really do want an uber-dumbed-down dogfighter .


Cool we will wrap up Pingu for you, and you can take him with you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seriously though, glad the forum was of help and I hope you find what you are looking for http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Where is Pingu these days?

SATAN_23rd
03-29-2006, 06:57 PM
Ace Comabt

VW-IceFire
03-29-2006, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by spmcfarland:
Wow.

First of all let me say what a relief it is to see such a great community of players. I'm used to using the World of Warcraft forums where my original post would have been followed by a dozen or so 'lrn2plyulzrn00bkkthxbai' posts. Which is, of course worthless.

You guys, on the other hand, are fantastic! Lots of great information, for which I am very thankful. I went back to give IL2 another try with the settings turned down, now that I can find them. It was better, but still not quite what I'm looking for. I really do want an uber-dumbed-down dogfighter without all the fuss of realism. But I'll definitely hang on to my copy of IL2 if for no other reason than it may be nice in the future to have a more realistic flight sim with a solid community of players.

Thanks to everybody for the great info, and good hunting, whether it's realistic or not.
Its ok...we misbehave in other ways. Usually less random characters representing entire words and more mudslinging of the more academic variety http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hope you find what your looking for!

Skycat_2
03-29-2006, 08:55 PM
Ace Combat-04 is pretty good fun. I picked it up for my PS2 while I was living in a motel room this summer. Unfortuntately there is only about 25 missions included.

I came back to this thread, though, because I remembered Airafix Dogfighter (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00007BGPV/ref=sr_11_1/104-9672145-8933510?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance), and older title that pits model airplanes against each other in a typical household environment. I don't know if there is a single-player mode or if it is primarily a LAN game. A review is here (http://pc.ign.com/articles/165/165571p1.html). I played it on my brother's computer a few years ago in LAN mode and I thought it was kind of fun.

My first 'dogfight' sim was Jane's WWII Fighters (http://pc.ign.com/articles/160/160745p1.html). This sim directly inspired IL-2 but in general it is easier and more 'arcadish' than IL-2. I think it has more 'fun factor' also, although its one map and seven flyable planes seems sparse after IL-2 and its follow ups. In JWW2F you can turn on a picture-in-picture view to track various enemies and friends including airplanes, vehicles and structures; stalls and energy bleed are almost nonexistant; machine guns are like X-Wing blasters so you can pretty much spray in the general direction of your enemy. Revive as necessary and keep on fighting. Jane's WWII fighters came out 8 years ago and is no longer published; consider this a 'classic' title. In my opinion this is still one of the best sim/arcade crossovers ever. Get it cheap here (http://product.half.ebay.com/Janes-WWII-Fighters_W0QQprZ7359QQtgZinfo). If you're interested, come to the Jane's WWII Fighters fan site (http://ww2fighters.org/) for mods, missions, tips and discussions.

carguy_
03-30-2006, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
Yes Pacific Fighter is as arcade like Krimson Sky. Simply guick mission builder > select Fb109 G2 > click fly > hold down trigger and score killzors.

You sir, are now a roxx0n Ace Man.


YER! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif



HOTP is what you seek.I bought it myself in da bargain bin.Very much fun cuz you can upgrade planes.The ace difficulty is very unrealistic though.Given that Zeros in that game have like 10s in 360turn they fly more like mosquitoes(no,not the wooden wonder but the bug thing).Try to hit mosquitoes with a plane like Corsair.

danjama
03-30-2006, 09:59 AM
I love a happy ending, this forum is great! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

SnapdLikeAMutha
03-30-2006, 10:15 AM
Fly the planes in BF1942, it doesn't get more dumbed down than that!

TX-Zen
03-30-2006, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by spmcfarland:
I really do want an uber-dumbed-down dogfighter without all the fuss of realism.

This is one of the most genuine and sincere statements I've read on this forum in a long time.

No pretense, no posturing...just saying exactly what he truly wants without shame.

Refreshing!!

Salute!

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DaimonSyrius
03-30-2006, 11:42 AM
Excellent thread, congratulations to the starter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Great review, Skycat, well done http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

A refreshing read overall, indeed.

Cheers,
S.

polak5
03-30-2006, 05:10 PM
U can play this game with ezy settings, that might suit u more. But Im pretty sure u will be flying more realisticly as time goes on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif