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Danvish
08-27-2009, 11:55 AM
If you haven't seen the new trailer you should go and look at it. At the end, Patrice says "The games will come out for the PS3 and 360 at the end of the year", but said nothing on the PC version.

Can Ubi just give us (PC Players) a straight answer about this? I did hear the rumors about delay in PC "thanks" to piracy. Does or doesn't the PC version is to be released on its origing date along the PS3 and Xbox?

xSpottyZebrax
08-27-2009, 12:07 PM
Last month they did confirm that all 3 versions would be released at the same time so if your right then they have gone back on their word.

Is the PC version going to be released at the same time as the PS3 and 360?

Yes, we are planning to release the three versions at the same time.
Then again it could have just been a mistake.

Hurri211
08-27-2009, 12:11 PM
After watching the trailer I looked around at some of the websites selling the game (Play.com and GAME) and they both had the release dates set for the 20/11/09 on all versions. So it seems Patrice just 'forgot' to mention PC.

Danvish
08-27-2009, 12:14 PM
He has never forgot it before. On all interviews, when asked about release or when concluding, always the same sentence: ACII will come out on the Xbox360, PS3 and PC on these holidyas. Always.

Now he has simply "forgot" saying something that important? I really doubt. Connet that with the rumors about delyaing 'cause of piracy and the fact that the previous game was also delayed for PC just before it was supposed to come and well...
I do think we deserve a straight answer at least from Ubi.

mynameismyself
08-27-2009, 12:19 PM
I'm a PC gamer only, and I too have noticed that Patrice only mentioned X360 and PS3.

You know Ubisoft, I really am tired of this. How can you even complain about LOW SALES on the PC versions, if you release it 5 or 6 months earlier and you require FULL PRICE for it.

If the PC version doesn't get released simultaneously with the console versions, I won't buy it.

It's Assassin's Creed 1 all over again.

Well, guess we will receive 4 optional informant missions. :/

Danvish
08-27-2009, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by mynameismyself:
I'm a PC gamer only, and I too have noticed that Patrice only mentioned X360 and PS3.

You know Ubisoft, I really am tired of this. How can you even complain about LOW SALES on the PC versions, if you release it 5 or 6 months later and you require FULL PRICE for it.

If the PC version doesn't get released simultaneously with the console versions, I won't buy it.

It's Assassin's Creed 1 all over again.

Well, guess we will receive 4 optional informant missions. :/

Couldn't agree more. And I think you ment later and not earlier.

If they won't release it on the same date as the others, I'll consider buying a 2nd hand copy.

Realjambo
08-27-2009, 12:34 PM
Currently, until officially announced, AC2 is on track for the PC.

I really wouldn't read too much in to a comment, or non-comment for that matter.

mynameismyself
08-27-2009, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Realjambo:
Currently, until officially announced, AC2 is on track for the PC.

I really wouldn't read too much in to a comment, or non-comment for that matter.

I wouldn't read into it if it wasn't the same like Assassin's Creed 1.

Danvish
08-27-2009, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Realjambo:
Currently, until officially announced, AC2 is on track for the PC.

I really wouldn't read too much in to a comment, or non-comment for that matter.

There has been a lot of rumors lately, and now this.

All we want is someone to come and tell us "Yes" or "No" or even "Maybe, we're considering it".

Is it really too much to ask from a company we pay good money for its producs?

POPersiaT2T
08-27-2009, 06:28 PM
omg.. why pc version always get delayed just because of the piracy.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

bladencrowd
08-27-2009, 06:37 PM
This is why I love my Xbox 360 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure he just forgot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ... hopefullyhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif....

Edengoth
08-27-2009, 06:38 PM
I'm not sure I understand why delaying the release would have an impact on piracy.

MinscTheHunter
08-28-2009, 12:41 AM
I don't really see the link with piracy either, unless Ubi still has issues trying to figure out what kind of copy protection they should include in the PC version (hint: do the same as with Prince of Persia - skip the copy protection! That was the only *good* decision Ubi made regarding the PC version of the PoP release)

But no matter if that remark does or does not signify that the PC version will be delated, what this *does* do, is enhance my feeling that Ubi keeps seeing PC versions of their games more and more as the proverbial third wheel on the wagon... they would much rather not support the PC at all, as the consoles is where they make the big money. So instead of doing it right or not doing it at all, they keep doing a PC version, but only half-hearted. Ubi, please make up your mind where you want to go!

desonnac0
08-28-2009, 12:58 AM
You guys bring up a very important issue. Ubi is showing more and more that it likes console's better, but if they go console esclusive they are gonna lose some/allot of fans. I for one, favor the PC because there is greater and better control(in basically all games) and I would go console for anything... ANYTHING!!!
But then, there is the other thing- console piracy is not non-existant!!!
A lot of people download console games illegally, and it is even easier than pyrating a PC game- no cracks and such, such- just download, burn on CD and plug in, that's all.
If Ubi thinks they can stop piracy- they're wrong, very wrong. Maybe lose some fans, but that's it.
There are allways gonna be people that go over the law, it's just nature. I hope Ubi aren't such penny pinchers as to want to prevent people from ripping them off with a couple of bucks...
[And no, I'm not a pyrate]

Xanatos2007
08-28-2009, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by desonnac0:
[And no, I'm not a pyrate]
You're not? Good, I'll spare you from my Ninja onslaught. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

POPersiaT2T
08-28-2009, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by desonnac0:
But then, there is the other thing- console piracy is not non-existant!!!
A lot of people download console games illegally, and it is even easier than pyrating a PC game- no cracks and such, such- just download, burn on CD and plug in, that's all.
If Ubi thinks they can stop piracy- they're wrong, very wrong. Maybe lose some fans, but that's it.

Agreed.

Danvish
08-28-2009, 03:13 AM
I'm so glad that many people have decided to respond to this topic and share their thoughts with us.

Ubi, as you can see, you have quite a big PC community, even within these forums. I personaly, after playing AC on my PC, convinced 2 friends to buy it, one did for the Xbox, the other for the PS. If I hadn't played my version on the PC, those other 2 wouldn't buy their copy on the consoles.

Bearing all that in mind Ubi, we're still waiting for a direct answer. Do you plan on delaying the PC version of ACII?

kleaneasy
08-28-2009, 03:49 AM
Hi Danvish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm afraid I don’t have any information on this one way or another but I'll see what I can find out for you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Danvish
08-28-2009, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
Hi Danvish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm afraid I don’t have any information on this one way or another but I'll see what I can find out for you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Thanks a lot MS. That's all we want, an answer.

MinscTheHunter
08-28-2009, 05:43 AM
I found a news article (dated August 20) on a Belgium website (9lives). Here is a rough translation:



At Gamescom Patrice Désilets, one of the people behind Assassin's Creed 2, let us know that there is a very specific reason why Assassin's Creed 2 will be released later on PC. It is not because of some aversion for the platform itself, but effectively because of the piracy problem.

Désilets let us know:
"We have done some research and we could easily sell 10 million copies if there were no problems with piracy. That is the only reason why the PC version will be later"

Looks like there is indeed some truth behind the rumours...

Danvish
08-28-2009, 06:00 AM
Yeh, I've read that too somewhere, thanks for posting it here.

mynameismyself
08-28-2009, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by MinscTheHunter:
I found a news article (dated August 20) on a Belgium website (9lives). Here is a rough translation:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
At Gamescom Patrice Désilets, one of the people behind Assassin's Creed 2, let us know that there is a very specific reason why Assassin's Creed 2 will be released later on PC. It is not because of some aversion for the platform itself, but effectively because of the piracy problem.

Désilets let us know:
"We have done some research and we could easily sell 10 million copies if there were no problems with piracy. That is the only reason why the PC version will be later"

Looks like there is indeed some truth behind the rumours... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTF.

I love this guys logic.

"Yeah, we won't release the game when it was supposed to because of piracy. Instead, we will release it 6 months later so all the marketing and hype will be gone, and after that we will complain how low are the sales on PC (on a 6 months old game) and in the future abandon the platform completely."

My congratulations, Ubisoft.

Hey, I've got a PROTIP for you and sells on PC:

RELEASE IT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE CONSOLE VERSIONS.

Even Microsoft knows it, but at least they tell it and not try to hide under some lame excuses.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/a...tudios-europe-part-2 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/microsoft-game-studios-europe-part-2)


If we launch a game that is on 360 and PC simultaneously, we basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the market to choose to play the PC version – because they are more likely to buy that than spend their money on the Xbox 360.
If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC. So we need to pick and choose our formats.

No, instead you say that "low sales" are because of piracy. NO. It's because of stupid *** protections that LEGIT CUSTOMERS have problems with, while pirates are happy to play the game even SOMETIMES before the street release. Also, the 6 months BULL**** delays are the cause of the low sales, not piracy.

If the news about the delay are true, you can sign off my name of the "1st day buy" list.

KZarr
08-28-2009, 07:11 AM
A PC version delay is very logical. I was actually surprised when I first heard that it was(or is) going to be released at the same time as the console versions.

mynameismyself
08-28-2009, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by KZarr:
A PC version delay is very logical. I was actually surprised when I first heard that it was(or is) going to be released at the same time as the console versions.

How is that logical, please explain.

Atmon
08-28-2009, 07:32 AM
Currently, until officially announced, AC2 is on track for the PC.

I really wouldn't read too much in to a comment, or non-comment for that matter.

Listen to the wise.

The game is still on schedule for a release on PC, PS3 and Xbox the same day.

PS: mynameismyself try to relax http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MinscTheHunter
08-28-2009, 08:09 AM
First good news I've heard here. Thanks for the update, Atmon.

Danvish
08-28-2009, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Atmon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Currently, until officially announced, AC2 is on track for the PC.

I really wouldn't read too much in to a comment, or non-comment for that matter.

Listen to the wise.

The game is still on schedule for a release on PC, PS3 and Xbox the same day.

PS: mynameismyself try to relax http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Phew.

Thanks a lot there Atmon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now I can breath easy again.

Btw, can you please tell Patrice to be more specific next time, he almost gave us PC players a heart attack because of a mispelled sentence http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Atmon
08-28-2009, 12:39 PM
Lol

I will Danvish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

davethepaveway
08-28-2009, 12:42 PM
atmon i dont suppose you could ask patrice wether we can get a nice metal case for the game disk with that black edition http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

CC1138
08-28-2009, 04:07 PM
I've already posted that on the forum. I don't blame you at all, and even thank you for attractig so many attentions that I couldn't... Yes, I was also worried by the latest "rumours" and also more recently by Patrice not mentioning the PC platform at the end of the GT interview...
Like I've already said on the other thread, I really hope they won't delay the PC version, and just because of piracy because it won't solve the problem AT ALL (I would have... well, understood a delay for optimizing on PC but just for piracy... it's not a good reason). If they do so, I WON'T BUY IT ON PC, my 70€ for the PC Black Edition will go to the normal version of the 360 one, and that would be really disappointing.

caswallawn_2k7
08-28-2009, 04:12 PM
so you still think the game is being delayed even tho two seperate Ubi employees have said it's still on track for the launch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Edengoth
08-28-2009, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by mynameismyself:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KZarr:
A PC version delay is very logical. I was actually surprised when I first heard that it was(or is) going to be released at the same time as the console versions.

How is that logical, please explain. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, please explain. I wanna know, too.

POPersiaT2T
08-28-2009, 05:47 PM
If it was logical for the delay of PC version, then why dont they delay the console versions too cause pirates can also download console games illegally, and it is even easier than pirating a PC game- no cracks and such, just download, burn on CD and plug in, that's all.

Edengoth
08-28-2009, 06:30 PM
...how do you plug in a cd? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

thekyle0
08-28-2009, 06:49 PM
Very carefully. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

POPersiaT2T
08-28-2009, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Edengoth:
...how do you plug in a cd? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

lol.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif thats not my mistake cause i copy those words from desonnac0's post. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Grandmaster_Z
08-28-2009, 09:03 PM
pc's are for shooters and strategy games. stop whining you biatches. most games are delayed on pc because of pirating

Edengoth
08-28-2009, 09:17 PM
a) PCs are suitable for all kinds of games, not just strategy and shooter. They have pros and cons in a lot of aspects of any genre. Ex: better for camera, worse for quick-time events.

b) yes, we KNOW they get delayed because of piracy. you're like the 8 billionth person to point that out. Now could somebody explain WHY release time somehow affects piracy!?!?
(Rain that comes well after the storm was expected isn't any less wet.)

POPersiaT2T
08-29-2009, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by Grandmaster_Z:
pc's are for shooters and strategy games. stop whining you biatches. most games are delayed on pc because of pirating

As a legitimate customer, we PC gamers should deserve a fair treatment. Besides, console games can be pirated as well.

CC1138
08-29-2009, 03:58 AM
Now besides from this delay problem, I worry about how the PC version and community is treated for AC II. We had several issues with the PC version for the first AC (DX10 bugs that some of them have been fixed with a patch, 360 controller bad setting and other problems). I wonder if at least, they will be fixed for AC II.

caswallawn_2k7
08-29-2009, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
If it was logical for the delay of PC version, then why dont they delay the console versions too cause pirates can also download console games illegally, and it is even easier than pirating a PC game- no cracks and such, just download, burn on CD and plug in, that's all.
do you actualy know what you are talking about? the PS3 cant play illegal copies and every other console needs the hardware modifying. the PC is the easiest thing for pirates because you only need a very small easy to make program to run a game without need for a CD.

Atkamon
08-29-2009, 06:24 AM
Yeah there is no piracy on the PS3, and most XBox players buy the games, because if they want to play pirated games, they have to modify the hardware, which makes the warranty go byebye... For them, its just not worth it.

caswallawn_2k7
08-29-2009, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by Atkamon:
Yeah there is no piracy on the PS3, and most XBox players buy the games, because if they want to play pirated games, they have to modify the hardware, which makes the warranty go byebye... For them, its just not worth it.
it also get's you kicked off xbox live.

mynameismyself
08-29-2009, 07:53 AM
You don't have to have modified hardware to hack X360, you only have to install different firmware.

And yes, PS3 is not yet hacked.

But please, this is not the topic for warez talk.

Grandmaster_Z
08-29-2009, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by Edengoth:
Now could somebody explain WHY release time somehow affects piracy!?!?


because, if the pc version is released at the same time, alot of people who have consoles may be tempted to pirate the game on pc (alot of people have a console and pc), thus reducing the sales for consoles..by releasing the consoles version first, it guarantees that people who really want to play the game will buy it for console instead of waiting 6months to pirate the pc version....

SBRedFlag
08-29-2009, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Grandmaster_Z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Edengoth:
Now could somebody explain WHY release time somehow affects piracy!?!?


because, if the pc version is released at the same time, alot of people who have consoles may be tempted to pirate the game on pc (alot of people have a console and pc), thus reducing the sales for consoles..by releasing the consoles version first, it guarantees that people who really want to play the game will buy it for console instead of waiting 6months to pirate the pc version.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

THANK YOU, Grandmaster. The PC gamers (although I understand their frustration) are getting worked up by an obvious solution to a worrying problem. However, this doesn't matter, because the PC version IS NOT being delayed, according to TWO ubisoft employees...

caswallawn_2k7
08-29-2009, 09:15 AM
You don't have to have modified hardware to hack X360, you only have to install different firmware.
still involves taking the console apart and breaking all the warenty seals and is is still modifying a piece of hardware in the system http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

SBRedFlag
08-29-2009, 09:26 AM
Yeah, in order to install a different firmware, you have to modify your hardware. My experience from modifying my PSP (wayy harder than it seems) is that it's something most would not spend their time and money doing.

But anyway, the original argument is that it's way easier to pirate PC games than xbox360 games, and it's impossible to pirate PS3 games (does anyone even OWN a blu-ray burner?)

caswallawn_2k7
08-29-2009, 09:30 AM
blu-ray burrrners are common now, just like when DVD burners first came out they are realy expensive, give it a year or so and they will probly be fairly cheap, the PC blu-ray reader drives are already coming right down in price.

BTOG46
08-29-2009, 10:43 AM
Shall we cut out all the talk about piracy please, before someone steps over the line and I have to take action against them.

Danvish
08-29-2009, 02:50 PM
Come on guys, we have what we came for, we got a straight answer from Atmon and Jambo (thanks again for that guys). Let's allow this topic to die 'till the next rumor is up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

caswallawn_2k7
08-29-2009, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Danvish:
Come on guys, we have what we came for, we got a straight answer from Atmon and <STRIKE>Jambo</STRIKE> Raide (thanks again for that guys). Let's allow this topic to die 'till the next rumor is up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
fixed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

POPersiaT2T
08-29-2009, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
do you actualy know what you are talking about? the PS3 cant play illegal copies and every other console needs the hardware modifying. the PC is the easiest thing for pirates because you only need a very small easy to make program to run a game without need for a CD.

my bad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif i forget that nowadays console games are released on PS3 and 360.

Edengoth
08-29-2009, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
my bad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif i forget that nowadays console games are released on PS3 and 360.
How exactly does one forget that? They've been around for several years now.

BHIZZLE1985
08-31-2009, 11:02 AM
Personally, i hope they DO delay it for the pc.
They can't really alter the graphics, AI, Physics etc for a console version, its essentially gunna be the same kind of game, in a different location with the same look and feel as assassins creed 1, with a few tweaks.....but i really hope they include higher resolution textures, decent sound for a 7.1 set up, a much futher draw distance including detail textures, more ragdolls (i got fed up of seeing the same old faces in every street in a city), cmon guys...most pc's can easily handle it!!!