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dieg777
05-24-2006, 04:04 AM
HI

I sometimes fly the zero on co-op nights and I am having problems with lead using the gun sight- I am usually too low or behind- I am not the greatist shot admitadly but dont have the problem to this extent on Revi sight or on spitfires- is it the sight? rate of fire from Japanese guns? ( I thought the 20mm was built under license from germany so should be similar to FW190 lead) or just plain old me ?

any tips on this or flying this plane would be appreciated

TY

HotelBushranger
05-24-2006, 04:40 AM
The only German licensed 20mm guns were on the Ki-61 Hei, not the Zero http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The Zero 20mm guns had a very slow muzzle velocity, so you want to get close and more lead than usual I suppose, I don't really notice it. Just takes practice.

I'm so glad it wasn't another Ctrl-D question http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
05-24-2006, 05:01 AM
the japanese Typ 99 canon and the german 20mm MG-FF (Bf109E) have the same "father"......... a swiss Oerlikon canon.
the japanese developed this weapon further (long barrel, belt fed).
the gemrmans moved on to the MG151.

so, shooting with the 109E canons and the A6M2 canons in game are very close the same - if not identical programmed ?!

Maraz_5SA
05-24-2006, 05:28 AM
The problem, very likely, is the very low muzzle velocity of the type 99-1 gun in earlier Zero marks. You should apply a very large amount of lead, and shoot from closer distance. Type 99-2 (long barrel) of later Zero models is much better.

Try Bruno's and Abraxa's "Sniper's Corner" to learn how much lead you must apply with different guns/gunsights in different situations:

http://ourworld.cs.com/ominoelettrico/SC_3_Eng.zip

Cheers
Maraz

blairgowrie
05-24-2006, 06:01 AM
You must have figured it out now dieg777.

You blew the wing of my Beaufighter off with little effort last night.

joeap
05-24-2006, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by blairgowrie:
You must have figured it out now dieg777.

You blew the wing of my Beaufighter off with little effort last night.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Sorry not laughing at you blair happens to us all.

dieg777, just a question are you pressing shift-F1? Casue by default the Zero is offset a bit like the German planes...I have no problems in the gunsight view. Well other than making sure I don't waste my small ammo load.

dieg777
05-24-2006, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by blairgowrie:
You must have figured it out now dieg777.

You blew the wing of my Beaufighter off with little effort last night.

Yeah mate but that was one is too too many times it worked http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

I want to be able to blow your wing off again and again and again and...........
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

I have a track of me chasing this bandit round and round and only really annoying him by making zing zing noises as my bullets flew harmlessly by until Id used up all my ammo and ha dto run home with tail between legs as all good Dogz have to sometimes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

@joeap - yes thanks mate I have a button on joystick mapped to this and centre view to make sure Im lined up - TY

@maraz- TY Ill check this out -I have snipers corner

dieg777
05-24-2006, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Maraz_5SA:
The problem, very likely, is the very low muzzle velocity of the type 99-1 gun in earlier Zero marks. You should apply a very large amount of lead, and shoot from closer distance. Type 99-2 (long barrel) of later Zero models is much better.

Try Bruno's and Abraxa's "Sniper's Corner" to learn how much lead you must apply with different guns/gunsights in different situations:

http://ourworld.cs.com/ominoelettrico/SC_3_Eng.zip

Cheers
Maraz

THANK YOU and hotelbushranger for info on muzzle velocity

Just checked it out side by side with mg151/20 in sniper corner with zero sight ring

the MK1 type 99 is almost a plane length more lead required . The MK2 is almost identical to mg 151/20

LEBillfish
05-24-2006, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by dieg777:
HI

I sometimes fly the zero on co-op nights and I am having problems with lead using the gun sight- I am usually too low or behind- ITY

Well first off, what you said is what any good duck hunter will tell anyone who states "I keep missing the ducks"......As that is where most people tend to miss on any moving shot so is not that uncommon.........Yet you've answered you own question to a degree.....Shoot higher and further ahead. Not being a smart-azz just pointing it out.

Anywho, I've found with the Japanese planes "convergence/range" makes a huge difference......Perhaps their ballistics are different I don't know, yet if your convergence and range you shoot is 180m or less that often really helps (though I fly all this way).

In kind, you're talking less guns and as another mentioned above besides ROF being lower, I believe FPS is as well......Never the less try this;

As you match the enemies turn, drift to below them (or outside on a bank)...As you can and they cannot, tighten your turn to have your sight pass through the target "then fire" when you know the time is right......What many forget is, a Zero or more so a Ki-43 will carve the turn......That often meaning your guns ARE firing matching that arc. Using the FW as an example such planes tend to slip some (imagine your attitude matches the turn, yet you are slipping belly first out of the arc.)....So unlike the Japanese planes that during a turn fire in a quickly sweeping arc, the FW in actuallity fires to a degree in more a line that is losing altitude or slipping to the side.

Use your MG's which have vast amounts of ammo to check your lead, save your very limited cannon for when you're sure of the shot.....Past that just practice in it alot....and drop your convergence. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

dieg777
05-24-2006, 08:57 AM
thanks LEbillfish

Online I have longer covergence set - I will drop it down and try this

Do you have any tips on engine management as I find they overheat quickly- I tend to run 95% power 90 prop pitch and rads open to try to keep it cool- is this best ?

LEBillfish
05-24-2006, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by dieg777:
thanks LEbillfish

Online I have longer covergence set - I will drop it down and try this

Do you have any tips on engine management as I find they overheat quickly- I tend to run 95% power 90 prop pitch and rads open to try to keep it cool- is this best ?

Except on the Africa map I run almost consistantly (though am breaking myself of the unreal habit)....At 95% throttle, 85% pitch, 4 radiator, well trimmed.........Except in the B25, I never overheat....In fact if we're talking the zero you can run WEP constantly and it has no effect.