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1.JaVA_Razer
12-18-2004, 01:42 PM
I've been having exams and I come back to the boards and read stuff about not implementing northrop grumman planes, people saying that Northrop doesn't have a heart, something about bearcat....

LOL
wth is going on around here? I go away for 2 lousy weeks and this whole place comes crashing down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
12-18-2004, 01:47 PM
I was away briefly too. It seems like a lot of silly panic to me...

Korolov
12-18-2004, 02:06 PM
It's just a bunch of panic, nothing more. Oleg himself said they weren't being sued by anyone.

It probably has more to do with funds and/or time.

blairgowrie
12-18-2004, 02:25 PM
The week certainly had some Alice in Wonderland overtones. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
12-18-2004, 05:27 PM
Yo razer, it is in our own forum too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

indeed alot of panic and overreacting but, there are some serious issues with american aircraft manufactures and copyright stuff.

SkyChimp
12-18-2004, 05:41 PM
Northrop-Grumman stated they were gonna build a fighter based on Oleg's IL-2. Oleg threatended them with a trade-mark infringement lawsuit. Now we're all wondering if we'll ever get that IL-2.

J_Weaver
12-18-2004, 11:38 PM
Its all kind of confusing.

A few days ago word comes from the top to stop all work on the P-47N and F4U-4 without a reason why. As you can imagine this creates a big stink. Rumors and conspiricy theories run rampant. Then somewhere (not sure from where, when or who)word comes that Northrop-Grumman are demand royalities for the use of their aircraft in the game. It all sounds like a crazy dream. If my summary is wrong someone step in and correct me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Targ
12-18-2004, 11:57 PM
More intersting reading.
Trademark and PF (http://www.igda.org/Forums/showthread.php?s=526c07027f6b2a492680753e8011dcac&threadid=13370)
Well worth the read.

unseen84
12-19-2004, 12:07 AM
I hear ya 1.Java_Razer, I went off for a few days myself, and came back to all this chaos. In reading the various forums, I've read everything from this spelling the doom of 1C:Maddox, to this all being much ado about nothing.

Maybe I should just leave for a few days again until all this blows over.

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Skycat_2
12-19-2004, 12:19 AM
SkyChimp's explanation is the one I'm going to stick with ... you should also. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now, bring on that Pe-47N and "Gubin Revenger!"

|CoB|_Spectre
12-19-2004, 06:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Targ:
More intersting reading.
http://www.igda.org/Forums/showthread.php?s=526c07027f6b2a492680753e8011dcac&threadid=13370
Well worth the read. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Well worth the read" is an understatement! The lack of solid information has led to wild speculation, but this link Targ has provided lifts the veil. Now it all makes sense. I, for one, will keep an eye on that link's thread to see how things develop. If the person who generated said thread is right, as is the advice of those who responded, it amounts to a corporate shakedown, IMHO, of a little guy they targeted probably because they figured 1C lacked the resources to litigate. I sincerely hope the part about "Northrop then went to the publisher who to the best of my knowledge paid the fees but deducted all or some of it from the developer’s payments" is inaccurate. If so, IMHO, there have been two injustices committed here, particularly if it was done without legal counsel to determine if the fees were legally required. It is interesting to note the person at Northrop behind all this, according to the originator of the thread, said he was not a lawyer. Goes to show you what wild speculation can lead to, doesn't it? Read Targ's thread, you'll be glad you did!

Eagle_361st
12-19-2004, 10:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by |CoB|_Spectre:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Targ:
More intersting reading.
http://www.igda.org/Forums/showthread.php?s=526c07027f6b2a492680753e8011dcac&threadid=13370
Well worth the read. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Well worth the read" is an understatement! The lack of solid information has led to wild speculation, but this link Targ has provided lifts the veil. Now it all makes sense. I, for one, will keep an eye on that link's thread to see how things develop. If the person who generated said thread is right, as is the advice of those who responded, it amounts to a corporate shakedown, IMHO, of a little guy they targeted probably because they figured 1C lacked the resources to litigate. I sincerely hope the part about "Northrop then went to the publisher who to the best of my knowledge paid the fees but deducted all or some of it from the developer’s payments" is inaccurate. If so, IMHO, there have been two injustices committed here, particularly if it was done without legal counsel to determine if the fees were legally required. It is interesting to note the person at Northrop behind all this, according to the originator of the thread, said he was not a lawyer. Goes to show you what wild speculation can lead to, doesn't it? Read Targ's thread, you'll be glad you did! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly this where the facts are coming to light, all of the other nonsense is just that. Everyone need's to step back and let them work it out, hopefully the outcome will be good. But there is nothing we can do at this point.

SeaFireLIV
12-19-2004, 11:23 AM
I`ve read it. VERY interesting. Could it be that these guys did indeed try a fast one on the Russians because they simply wouldn`t dare to take a stand to an American company? Perhaps assuming (wrongly) that they (the company wanting fees) must be correct by default??

Also, those words of thr Russian developer, certainly sounds like Oleg.

Sharpe26
12-19-2004, 11:32 AM
interesting reading in that link Targ. Btw, anyone ever bother to look at the USPTO site mentioned in there?

GreyBeast
12-19-2004, 11:36 AM
...Costs of war in Iraq skyrocketting.STOP.White House issues alert to defence contractors.STOP.American companies involved in armament production are to find ways of raising badly needed money.STOP.We will prevail.STOP.Youâ´re with us or with the terrrrrorrrrrists.STOP.Heil Bush!

tsisqua
12-19-2004, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
. . .
Also, those words of thr Russian developer, certainly sounds like Oleg. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could there be any doubt, after reading this? I don't beleive that there are any other"just released" WWII Combat Flight simulations at the moment. The guy also called the Russian Developer's writing as "Russlish". How many French game distributers just released a WWII Combat Flight simulation?

It's Oleg, Mate. Be sure.

Tsisqua

HansKnappstick
12-20-2004, 03:13 AM
The fact that the most comprehensive info on this sensitive issue was not found on this official Ubi forum makes me sad somehow.

Lt.Davis
12-20-2004, 03:53 AM
People are panic and overreacting because they want to protect their 'belove little vitual simulator world' than might gone or destroy by some money minded people.

When rumors come out, everybody are shock and think that it's over! The future siming world might gone. No more support for this great sim anymore.

Red_Russian13
12-21-2004, 10:30 PM
Well, this is interesting, isn't it? I was going to post asking about this issue, but I'm glad I looked around a little. It sure does shed light on some of the references in other posts.

My opinion (which means nothing): Northrup wouldn't stand a chance in court. Those planes have been used in so many products, movies, etc. I think some hairbrained lawyer thought it would be a good idea to do this; probably didn't check with his boss. Now they don't want to look stupid and take it back.

I wouldn't worry too much folks...coming from me, the consumate pessimist.

MO_JOJO
12-21-2004, 10:56 PM
One would think that as fewer and fewer people know or care about WWII, and history in general, Northrup and the like would be overjoyed that any of us out here give a rat's *** about their POS antiques and that anyone out there even knows who made them. Royalties? Give me a break!!! There goes the man tryin' to keep a brother down.

AlGroover
12-22-2004, 05:26 AM
The end of flight sims? I don't think so. Anyway, wasn't it the EU's downer on war toys a couple of years ago was going to cause the same thing. Now you never hear of it.

KarayaEine
12-22-2004, 07:06 AM
It seems as though this issue is spreading like a firestorm across the web.


Johann

No601_Zulu
12-22-2004, 07:10 AM
The big question is, how will this effect the future developement of BoB. Does the same apply to European Aircraft Manufactures past and present. I would certainly hope they would not be so $$$$ minded.

At least my sig only asks for British Aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif