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LStarosta
03-14-2005, 03:29 PM
I've seen modern flightsuits with many patches applied, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me how these patches are applied in terms of location, significance, etc. Like, what kind of patch goes on the arm, what kind of patch goes on the breast, etc. Any help is greatly appreciated!

LStarosta
03-14-2005, 06:37 PM
bumpage...

civildog
03-14-2005, 08:29 PM
I think that would depend a lot on the Nationality of the pilot's Air Force.

Here in the US we have a pretty standard design across all the armed services. Flight suits generally are cleaner than you might think. A squadron patch, flag, name tape, wings, rank, and that's it. Usually these are "subdued" versions in the field. A scarf with the squadron colors is also authorized.

Just Google for Air Force uniforms and you ought to get your answers.

civildog
03-14-2005, 08:30 PM
The ones with all the colored patches are more for special occasions and show events. Otherwise the flight jackets get all the colored patches while the suit is more of a working uniform.

LStarosta
03-15-2005, 07:40 PM
Thanks for the reply! Could you tell me the significance behind having a patch on the breast as opposed to one on the shoulder? I've seen pictures of pilots with a different patch on their chest than on their shoulder, so that confused me a bit. Are they simply patches for the broader unit? By that I mean something like one patch being for the FG and another being for the FS a certain pilot might belong to...

huggy87
03-15-2005, 09:14 PM
Well, here is what I wear to work everyday. On my left chest is the nametag. Just first and last name, a set of wings, and my callsign. On my right is the squadron emblem. On my left shoulder I have a patch for the boeing FA-18. I choose to wear nothing on my right shoulder. I find it impedes taking my harness on and off. The chest patches are pretty standard, but shoulders are not really standard. Some folks wear an additional squadron patch or flag on the shoulder. Those who have been to top gun will wear that patch on their shoulder. Soon, I will replace my one shoulder patch with a thousand hour patch.

The price for all of this info is that you have to change your sig back to that tasty little treat you had earlier. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

civildog
03-15-2005, 09:28 PM
Gah! Huggy beat me by seconds. Yeah, he's right..and the USAF setup is about the same except that the right patch on the chest is the Command patch (TacAir, SAR, SAC, USAEUR - when those were around )and the one on the left shoulder is your squadron patch.
One the right shoulder would be a flag or nothing.

And again, there were subdued (read black and green) versions for combat wear and color versions for other times. The Navy was always so much more flashy than we were, they even got the cool jackets! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

All of these were attached with velcro so you could take them off for washing.

LStarosta
03-16-2005, 03:12 PM
LOL I'll make a hotter sig when I have the time.

The reason I'm asking is that after I finish college and get my aerospace engineering degree, I want to join the USAF and become a fighter pilot, and I find this stuff to be really interesting. I'm a junior in high school right now so I have a few ways of going about accomplishing that in the future. I am going to earn my PPL soon, and I plan to have my Commercial and/or CFI/II by the time I'm done with college, so I'm guessing that might help a bit. I know you have to be an officer in order to be a pilot, so I was thinking maybe AFROTC might be a good choice. I looked at the Air Force Academy as a college choice, and with my grades and scores I'm confident I could be accepted, but I really want to go to a regular college and enjoy those four years.. doing well... college stuff... Then there's also enlisting after college and going up the ranks from the beginning. Could any of you suggest what may be a good way to earn my commission and wings?

The prospect of not having to pay rental fees or buy gasoline, but rather get paid to fly these hotrods is very... sexy. I heard chicks dig guys in Nomex. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

civildog
03-16-2005, 03:21 PM
The USAF has a program called Bootstrap. At least it used to not long ago and I'm sure it still does. You enter the service as an Airman and tkae courses through the Community College of the Air Force. They are mainly corresondence type courses and free. Collecting degrees is a major pastime in the USAF among those who want to get ahaead in such a technical service.

Anyway, once you get your Associates, you are then let out among the civilians for two years to complete your four-year degree. Then you go back in for 2 more years (making it a total commitment of 6 years) as a commissioned officer.

Go here and enter BOOTSTRAP into the search box and it'll fill you in. It looks like it's even more comprehensive than when I was there:

www.af.mil/careers/ (http://www.af.mil/careers/)

And definitely join ROTC if you can. It will help more than yo think.

Taylortony
03-16-2005, 03:30 PM
In the RAF they didnt tend to follow any order, you would have the wings and name patch on the left tit often including the sqdn name one arm say a chinook sqdn (Right i think) we had a roundel with a chinook imposed on it colour of the chinook denoting instructor ( gold) pilot(silver) etc and on the other arm the squadron patch.......jags u would have the jag patch instead with 1000+ etc for hours on type.other qualifications like TLP (Tactical Leadership Program) was often worn on the right tit.......

LStarosta
03-16-2005, 08:42 PM
According to the U.S. Army uniform regulations, you're not supposed to tuck the nomex flightsuit into your boots. Is it the same in the USAF/Navy/RAF or other air forces?? Do share, please.

civildog
03-16-2005, 09:04 PM
Correct, in the USAF you leave the legs unbloused. I'm sure it's the same in the Navy judging by the pictures.

civildog
03-16-2005, 09:24 PM
BTW: if you are not a US citizen I doubt that you'll be able to got to the Academy. You have to have a Congressional recommendation (which you petition for) to go and Poland doesn't have a US Congressman.

Of course, I'm just assuming you live in Poland based on previous posts of your's.

But there may still be a way for a foreign national to go to the Academy if the service has some special program. I doubt it, but you might hunt around on the AF website I sent the link to. Or better yet, ask a recruiting officer to contact you through the careers section of the website.

I don't want to discourage you, though. The Air Force is where my oldest daughter wants to go and she's just 11 (she wants to fly fighters like the models I make). Most of my family, including myself was in either the Air Force or the USAAF. My brother was Army but everyone has a black sheep http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif My mom even participated in developing the capsule recovery program for the Mercury and Gemini launches and has her name on a small memorial commemorating the Air Force participation in the program. My dad was in the military police in the AF. I was in the security troops (I got to use the breaching gun in the entry team...blow the hinges off the door, flash-bang and send in the dog! Good times for all...LOL! that was when the camoflaged fatigues were new to the USAF and only the security teams got them first...we were sooo bad-@ssed it is hilarious to remember it, over 20 years ago!) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

The rest were in either the Marines or Navy including the ones that were in Scotland, Canada, and Ireland before my Grandparents came here.

It's an honorable thing to serve your country and anyone who tells you otherwise needs a beating.

tsisqua
03-17-2005, 06:50 AM
Its a well known fact that cadets wanting a patch are forced to wait . . .

2 Weeks

(sorry, it had to be said)

Tsisqua http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Friendly_flyer
03-17-2005, 08:20 AM
There is indeed a Polish Air Force, and their flight suites looks about as garish as any modern pilot suit, with patches and all:

http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1203/pathway1b.jpg

The two guys to the darker uniforms are Polish.

The dress uniform is quite nice, not unlike the old RAF-dress, and (and I know I'm going to be flamed for saying so) a lot nicer than the American air-force and naval uniforms. The drawback is that Poland is scaling down on it's air-force at the moment, so it might be difficult to get in.

LStarosta
03-17-2005, 03:25 PM
I'm a dual citizen. My father was a cadet at the Polish Air Force Academy, but living here in the U.S., joining the PAF would be a difficult thing to do due to diplomatic and practical reasons.

I personally wouldn't want to join the Academy, anyway. AFROTC looks like the most viable option to me, because I can kill two birds with one stone (college and getting commissioned).

Petter, Poland has purchased 48 F16 Block 52's recently as well as a couple of C130's. It's about time, too!

PraetorHonoris
03-17-2005, 03:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
Petter, Poland has purchased 48 F16 Block 52's recently as well as a couple of C130's. It's about time, too! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget some updated MiG29G, which were given to Poland for free. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Very nice bird, our pilots loved it.

http://www.fabulousfulcrums.de/Patches/fighting.jpg

LStarosta
03-18-2005, 01:42 PM
We are very fortunate to have such friendly neighbors! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Friendly_flyer
03-18-2005, 02:59 PM
The Mig 29's are quite nice, I have heard. I wonder if there's something that can be done to upgrade them. The F-16s are getting a bit dated. Norway will need to replace theirs in a few years, but despite being stinking filthy rich from oil sales, we don't quite know how we are going to afford new planes.

Good luck with your air-force plans!