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goshikisen
01-28-2005, 12:27 PM
Since we haven't heard much from 1C recently I thought I'd compose a couple of my own "dev. update" screenshots. Here's hoping we'll soon see these aircraft in PF.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update1.jpg
B6N Tenzan evading attack

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update2.jpg
Ohka over Okinawa

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update3.jpg
Goshikisen vs. Superfortress

If the developer's think they can do better than I welcome them to post an update of their own. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Regards, Goshikisen.

goshikisen
01-28-2005, 12:27 PM
Since we haven't heard much from 1C recently I thought I'd compose a couple of my own "dev. update" screenshots. Here's hoping we'll soon see these aircraft in PF.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update1.jpg
B6N Tenzan evading attack

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update2.jpg
Ohka over Okinawa

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update3.jpg
Goshikisen vs. Superfortress

If the developer's think they can do better than I welcome them to post an update of their own. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Regards, Goshikisen.

cwojackson
01-28-2005, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:
Since we haven't heard much from 1C recently I thought I'd compose a couple of my own "dev. update" screenshots. Here's hoping we'll soon see these aircraft in PF.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update1.jpg
B6N Tenzan evading attack

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update2.jpg
Ohka over Okinawa

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update3.jpg
Goshikisen vs. Superfortress

If the developer's think they can do better than I welcome them to post an update of their own. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Regards, Goshikisen. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The Avenger would be nice in that line up.

Oh, and a few U.S. Battleships visiting the British Navy base in the Sandwich islands might be nice.

AlmightyTallest
01-28-2005, 01:03 PM
Thanks goshikisen, those are all looking very nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Will be nice to have more variety in offline campaigns as well.

*squints* Hey!! is that an Iowa Class Battleship in the background of that Ohka picture?

At any rate, looks very cool and should be fun to try to intercept Betty's carrying these deadly manned anti-shipping cruise missiles.

Any chance we could get an F4U-4 to have a better climb and acceleration in order to intercept these bomber groups and suicide planes before they sink our carrier? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Aero_Shodanjo
01-28-2005, 08:48 PM
About Tenzan: What are those "hanging flaps" called? They're looked like almost hanging loose from the trailing edge. Or are they some sort of dive brakes?

About Ohka: Ive never seen a light blue colored Ohka before. All photos and pictures that Ive seen showed it in orange (?) color. Btw, does anyone knew that in one instance Ohka was used against B-29? I read about it in a WWII history website.

And about Ki-100: Well, I have to admit that at 1st I thought the Ki-100 (Goshikien, is that what its name?) was a vastly improvement performance-wise compared to Ki-61. But after reading more in this forum, it's not so.

But Im still looking forward to fly it.

Sturmvogel66
01-28-2005, 08:56 PM
Those, sir, are called Fowler flaps.

Aero_Shodanjo
01-28-2005, 09:06 PM
Wow thanks. That was fast http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway, what's the benefit of Fowler flaps compared to other flap types?

CraigNT
01-28-2005, 11:05 PM
Is the TBD ready to be released in an upcoming patch? It would be very nice... that way I could start my Coral Sea campaign with all the right players! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

cheers, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
- CraigNT

noshens
01-28-2005, 11:17 PM
i don't there is going to be Ohka in this game, I heard UBI wouldn't allow it along with the atomic bomb.

DuxCorvan
01-29-2005, 03:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aero_Shodanjo:
About Ohka: Ive never seen a light blue colored Ohka before. All photos and pictures that Ive seen showed it in orange (?) color. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think orange Ohkas were captured examples painted that way for research and conservation purposes.

Original ones were very light coloured indeed.

woofiedog
01-29-2005, 04:16 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gifMint Screen Shots goshikisen!
I like the first one with the B6N Tenzan evading attack!
Thanks for the Weekly Update. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

p1ngu666
01-29-2005, 05:53 AM
great shots http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Cornay
01-29-2005, 06:11 AM
Aero_Sodanjo:

They are single slotted (space between the trailing edge of the wing and leading edge of the flap) fowler flaps.
increases camber AND wing area.
It can increase maximum lift by as much as 90%
(ref: Mechanics of Flight by A.C. Kermode pg. 115)

eddiemac0
01-29-2005, 07:45 AM
goshiken, I see your a fan of IJN cruisers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif I was just wondering which one that is in your sig, I can't really see her lines... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

tralkpha
01-29-2005, 08:50 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif thanks for the pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif i cant wait for the update

goshikisen
01-29-2005, 09:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eddiemac0:
goshiken, I see your a fan of IJN cruisers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif I was just wondering which one that is in your sig, I can't really see her lines... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be IJN Takao in the early to mid-1930's. The carrier in the background doesn't have its forward deck extended so it definitely isn't circa Pacific War. I'm interested in all of the Japanese Heavy Cruisers but the Takao class have that angular castle-like bridge that makes them look far more modern than they are. You'd almost think the Aegis class took some design cues from a 1930's Japanese design.

The painting of Takao, entitled "Flank Speed", is by Randall Wilson. Wilson has painted a number of really nice portraits of IJN Ships.

Thanks for the screenshot kudos... I'll make up a couple more this weekend. Hopefully it'll spur the actual designers into giving us some new ones. (I won't hold my breath though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Regards, Goshikisen.

cwojackson
01-29-2005, 03:57 PM
Well at least this thread hasn't been locked like the other one questioning where carrier based torpedo planes are. I guess the person who started that thread forgot to genuflect before speaking heresey.

Capt._Tenneal
01-29-2005, 05:32 PM
Goshikisen isn't exactly comitting "heresy". The Ohka I've seen in actual Friday dev. update shots, the Tenzan and Ki-100 are sort of confirmed as being in the add-on. He just composed some shots of them like they were taken in-game.

No, not heresy. More like a good-natured nudge. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

heywooood
01-29-2005, 05:44 PM
yes...a word or two from 1c would be welcome - even if it were to be something along the lines of "patch coming...two weeks, be sure" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

as long as it was 'official' conjecture...

Extreme_One
01-29-2005, 05:46 PM
Nice pics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

goshikisen
01-29-2005, 07:47 PM
Just a couple more shots...

From the war over Europe. The first shot contains 2 of Hammered's incredible aircraft skins... (strangely enough I had to go all the way back to a dev. update from Nov. 2003 to get the Tempest picture I used for this one).

Anybody heard word from Hammered recently? His work and his host (il2skins.com) are sorely missed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update4.jpg
Time to lose the droptanks...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update5.jpg
Netherland's Defense

Catandra
01-29-2005, 08:44 PM
Very cool Goshikisen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

FRAGAL
01-30-2005, 07:01 AM
drooling on that tempest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

p1ngu666
01-30-2005, 07:38 AM
awsome http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JG52Karaya-X
01-30-2005, 12:04 PM
nice target indeed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

LOL

p1ngu666
01-30-2005, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
nice target indeed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes my dear chap, i dont quite agree that the plane in your signature is a nice target, it is infact a superb target, quite possibly my favourite target http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

goshikisen
01-30-2005, 04:09 PM
A bit of spare time this afternoon... why not another "screenshot"?

A homage to the fine work of folks like Nyme and Capt. Flushgarden. The development forum over at netwings.org has indicated that Oleg has given the green light for the Spitfire XIV. That being the case I thought I'd give it a go with one of Nyme's development shots.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update6.jpg
Germany 1945

darkhorizon11
01-30-2005, 05:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aero_Shodanjo:
Wow thanks. That was fast http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway, what's the benefit of Fowler flaps compared to other flap types? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are four main types of flaps. The two common types in FB are split flaps and plain flaps. The Tenzan is the only FB plane I've noticed with fowlers. Basically, they move back to increase wing area and downward to increase camber. Thus making them more efficient.

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_002b.html

kSetuni
01-30-2005, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cornay:
Aero_Sodanjo:

They are single slotted (space between the trailing edge of the wing and leading edge of the flap) fowler flaps.
increases camber AND wing area.
It can increase maximum lift by as much as 90%
(ref: Mechanics of Flight by A.C. Kermode pg. 115) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry but that information is only partly correct. I'm an aircraft mech that has worked on aircraft with all types of flaps. What makes a flap a Fowler flap, is that it moves both aft and then down when extending. If it moves down only it becomes either a standard flap (entire surface moves no structure left above it) or a split flap (only bottom side drops down with skin still above tht does not move)The Fowler flaps are superior because with the aft movement, in adition to the downward, it increase both the chord, and camber ratios while thereby giving increased lift when the ammount of drag is the same amongst the flap types.

Aero_Shodanjo
01-31-2005, 02:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ShadowMech73:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cornay:
Aero_Sodanjo:

They are single slotted (space between the trailing edge of the wing and leading edge of the flap) fowler flaps.
increases camber AND wing area.
It can increase maximum lift by as much as 90%
(ref: Mechanics of Flight by A.C. Kermode pg. 115) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry but that information is only partly correct. I'm an aircraft mech that has worked on aircraft with all types of flaps. What makes a flap a Fowler flap, is that it moves both aft and then down when extending. If it moves down only it becomes either a standard flap (entire surface moves no structure left above it) or a split flap (only bottom side drops down with skin still above tht does not move)The Fowler flaps are superior because with the aft movement, in adition to the downward, it increase both the chord, and camber ratios while thereby giving increased lift when the ammount of drag is the same amongst the flap types. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So that Fowler flaps will give an aircraft a better low speed handling (and also lower stall speed) compared to other types?

From the way it hangs behind the trailing edge I'm worried somehow that it's more prone to jamming or easier to get ripped off if the speed of the plane is too high when deploying it.

Thanks for your infos guys.

goshikisen
01-31-2005, 02:03 PM
One last "screenshot" in the "wow, so that's how the radial blur works" series... mainly because the Spitfire XIV model looks so amazing.

btw. I've been experimenting with Perfect settings for water set on water=2 in the config. I have to say that the graphic performance I'm getting from PF now is outstanding. Amazing looking water with a very similar frame rate to what I was getting with Excellent water.

A tip of the hat to 1C for getting the graphics so smooth in their latest patches.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/update7.jpg
SEAC Spitfire XIV

Regards, Goshikisen

p.s. if we get the Spitfire XIV and the Tempest V... the RAF will become quite formidable in FB/AEP/PF.

goshikisen
02-01-2005, 10:14 AM
Does anybody know how much use the Spit XIV saw in the Pacific? I know that they were used by SEAC but how extensively and in what role I have no idea. Would have been interesting to see how this model of Spit would have fared against a Frank, George, or Tony.

MrMoonlight
02-01-2005, 11:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:
Does anybody know how much use the Spit XIV saw in the Pacific? I know that they were used by SEAC but how extensively and in what role I have no idea. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aside from its use in Europe, RAF Spit XIV's were only deployed against the Japanese in the CBI theater from early 1945 to the end of the war. The majority were based in India.

Since we have no CBI map (nor Philippines nor Solomons Chain maps for that matter...go figure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif), I don't see much use for the Spit XIV in the Pacfic maps in this sim.

It'll be a nice addition to the late war Europe campaigns, though. It'll be cool trying to chase down V-1's with it (among other things).

woofiedog
02-01-2005, 12:54 PM
Here are three Articles I found on the Mk. XIV Spitfire.
1#
The engine was a 2,035hp 2-stage Griffon 65, which made the Mk. XIV reach a top speed of 450mph (721 km/h) at 26,000ft (7.930m). The climb had also been improved compared to the Mk. IX: 4,580ft/min against 3,950ft/min). The model was fitted with either "C" or "E" wings of the clipped type. From the beginning the wings were of the normal type, however, soon they were clipped because the heavier wing load caused the skin near the fuselage to wrinkle. The propeller was a new 5-blade Rotol.

The Mk. XIV was so fast that it was put up against the German V1 flying terror bomb (Vergeltungswaffe 1). The Mk XIV was credited with 300 V1-kills. The Mk. XIV was also the first aircraft ever to shoot down a jet-powered fighter - the German Messerschmitt Me262.

In the spring of 1944 the Mk. XIV became operational with Sq. 610. That was 8 years after the prototype had flown for the first time. In that period of time the Spitfire was almost twice as heavy, had the double amount of horsepower and its 20mm and 12.7mm weapons could fire a one second burst, which weighed 3.6kg against Mk. I's 4 0.303s 1.2kg. RAF compared the Mk. XIV with different aircraft and the results would have made Mitchell happy. At altitudes between 0 to 5000ft and 15,000 to 20,000ft the Spitfire Mk. XIV was only 40mph faster than the FW190A, but at all other altitudes it was more than 60mph faster. Compared to the long-nosed FW190D with Jumo 213E engine the 2 aircraft had identical top speed. Mk. XIV could at all altitudes climb away from both FW190A and D and since it had kept the manoeuvrability of earlier Marks it could still out-turn the FW190 (a little slower in a right turn because of the torque of the massive propeller). However, the FW190 still rolled faster than the Mk. XIV. All in all the Mk. XIV was superior to the FW190 in most disciplines. Compared to the Mk. XIV the Bf109G was out-classed in any aspect. The Mk. XIV did not leave the Hawker Typhoon and North American P-51 Mustang anything to come for. The only problem with the Mk. XIV was its short range. Drop-tanks solved the problem, but a big external fuel tank tied to belly reduced its manoeuvrability, but even with a 90-gallon external fuel tank it could still follow and out-manoeuvre a FW190 and Bf109.

After flying the Mk. XIV for the first time Johnnie Johnson said that it was a nice and fast aeroplane, which wasn't a Spitfire any longer. On the other hand Jeffrey Quill thought that it was the best Spitfire mark ever built. As earlier mentioned the Mk. XIV was faster than earlier marks and the torque of the propeller was high that it took constant trimming of the controls during flight. During flight with increasing speed it became increasingly tail-heavy and had to be trimmed nose fully down in order to maintain level flight. According to Johnnie Johnson pulling out of a dive was a violent experience. Many experienced Spitfire-pilots that were checked out on the Mk. XIV at first experienced the take-off as an unpleasant thing because the propeller turned the opposite way of the Merlin-powered Spitfires. An experienced Spitfire-pilot tells that the first time he took off in a Mk. XIV he did not get it airborne until it had turned 90 degrees on the ground during take-off.

2#
JF319, the Spitfire XIV protype achieved 5110 fpm at 1700 ft on +18 lb boost/67" Hg at a take-off weight of 8400 lbs. A production Spitfire XIV/Griffon 65 climbed at 4700 fpm at sea level on ~1850 SL HP (+18 lbs boost) and 8500 lbs loaded weight. That's a powerloading of 4.59 lbs per HP.

The subsequent Seafire Mk. XVII had a teardrop canopy, racks for underwing ordinance, and an improved undercarriage. It used the low altitude version of the Griffon engine, a four-bladed propeller, enlarged rudder, and was armed with 4-20mm cannons.

3#
The Spitfire Mk. XIV of 1944 was a Mk. VIII airframe with a lengthened nose powered by a Rolls Royce Griffon 65 engine. This developed 2,035 hp, good for a top speed at altitude of a sizzling 448 mph. The new engine drove a five bladed propeller and gave the Mk. XIV an improved service ceiling and enhanced high altitude performance. Best climb rate was over 5,000 ft./min. Later Mk. XIV's had a "teardrop" style canopy to improve all-around visibility. Mk. XIV production totaled 957, plus 300 similar Mk. XVIII's.

The last production Spitfires were the Mk. 21, 22, and 24. The Equivalent Navy models were the Seafire F Mk. 45, 46, and 47. The Seafire Mks. 46 and 47 came with a contra-rotating propeller to negate the tendency to swing on takeoff. None of these Spitfire and Seafire models were produced in large numbers. All came with a teardrop canopy, and for the first time the wing was redesigned. The new wing was similar in plan, but was stronger, carried more fuel, housed a longer landing gear (which allowed a larger diameter propeller), and carried four 20mm cannon. The Seafire Mks. 46 and 47 had improved folding wings, while the Mk. 45 had fixed wings. The Seafire 47 served in the Korean War. Top speed of the Spitfire Mk. 22 was 450 mph and best climb rate was 4,900 ft./min.

With these models the Spitfire had reached the end of its long career. The first Mk. 21's entered service in April 1945; the last Mk. 24's were delivered in March 1948. The war was over and the jet age had begun. A total of about 22,800 Spitfires and Seafires of all types had been produced.

p1ngu666
02-01-2005, 03:45 PM
aprently the navy ordered lots of griffon seafires, but based on the mark12, which used a mark V airframe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

single stage supercharger tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

catrevey
02-01-2005, 07:42 PM
Beautiful screen shots Goshikisen. You and Hammered produce excellent work. I wish that 1c would beef up the IJN with a flyable N1K2-j Shiden-Kai in addition to those you have shown. This plane had some unique features and I believe it would enhance the simulation. Cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

goshikisen
02-01-2005, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by catrevey:
Beautiful screen shots Goshikisen. You and Hammered produce excellent work. I wish that 1c would beef up the IJN with a flyable N1K2-j Shiden-Kai in addition to those you have shown. This plane had some unique features and I believe it would enhance the simulation. Cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Catrevey. Hammered is responsible for the Tempest skin and a couple of the Luftwaffe skins you see. I believe Capt. Flushgarden is responsible for the XIV skins. I, on the other hand, have never produced a skin in my life... although I mean to set aside some time to give it a try.

For my part... all I did was cut some airplanes out of some jpgs, spin some propellers and make some screenshots, in game, that I thought would make appropriate backgrounds.

Regards, Goshikisen.