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GreyFox5
07-17-2006, 10:04 AM
A 1951 Hawker Hunter went down at our local airshow here in Oregon. My prayers go out to the family of the pilot. He was 73 from California an attorney by trade he had restored the plane and was the only FAA authorized instructor for the Hawker Hunter in the U.S. 44 years as a licensed pilot with 4,000 + hours. And a co-founder of Warbirds of America.

This pilot did all he could to make a small field next to the homes he was headed for unfortunately he lost all power and made a desision to get the nose up to limit the damage. This was a good pilot doing the best he could with a plane that had no power. He is a hero in my eyes. God bless him and no one on the ground was hurt.

Pilot info: http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_071606_news_p..._owner.1d6bec7e.html (http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_071606_news_plane_owner.1d6bec7e.html)

Local NBC Story: http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_071606_news_h..._crash.1c697be1.html (http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_071606_news_hillsboro_plane_crash.1c697be1.htm l)

There is a takeoff and flight video. I did not post it here since its heartbreaking to watch.

Fly Safe.

Stackhouse25th
07-17-2006, 10:20 AM
omg i saw that plane and ive been to that airport many times for its airshow!

PM me the video pls..

swambast
07-17-2006, 10:26 AM
What a terrible tragedy - my prayers to him and his family...

HayateAce
07-17-2006, 10:30 AM
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You did good Robert Guilford.

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PILOT EXPERIENCE

Ratings:
€Commercial rating
€Instrument rating
€ He is the only FAA Authorized Instructor for the Hawker Hunter swept wing, transonic jet fighter; authorized to train pilots to fly this aircraft and recommend them to the FAA; and to requalify pilots after lapse of proficiency. He is also an Authorized Instructor for the Soko Galeb, F4U Corsair, Skyraider, Sea Fury, P-51 Mustang, T-28 and Spitfire.

Hours:
€4,000 + hours since 1961
€44 years as a licensed pilot

Aviation Activities - Past and Present:
€Chairman of the Board, Classic Jet Aircraft Association (promoting private operation of surplus military jet aircraft)
€Co-founder, Warbirds of America, an international organization dedicated to the preservation of military aircraft (presently a division of the Experimental Aircraft Association)
€Chief Pilot, Vice President, Trustee, Museum of Flying, Santa Monica, California
€Founder and President, Mustang Pilot's Club, Inc.
€Vice President, Supermarine Aviation, Ltd.
€Vice President, Liberty Aero Corporation
€Vice-President of NATO Aviation
€Participant since 1970 in Reno Air Races, Unlimited Class
€Counsel to Transonic Flight Test, Ltd., operating Folland Gnat Aircraft
€Counsel to Hunter Flight Test, Ltd., operating Hawker Hunter Jet Fighter Aircraft

Aircraft currently or previously owned:
€Owner/Pilot of a Soko Galeb G-2A Jet Fighter and Hawker Hunter Mk. 58 swept-wing British Fighter
€Former owner/pilot of: racing Corsair, "Blue Max"; P-51 Mustang (2); Hawker Sea Fury; Hawker Hunter T.8C & GA-ll

Qualified as Pilot-In-Command in:
€F4U Corsair (FG-1D, F4U-4, F4U-7)
€Spitfire (Mk IX & Mk XIV)
€F8F Bearcat
€P-51 Mustang
€T-6
€T-28
€AD Skyraider
€Hawker Sea Fury
€Soko Galeb
€Hawker Hunter

Airmail109
07-17-2006, 11:05 AM
Why didnt he eject? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Aaron_GT
07-17-2006, 11:23 AM
By the sound of it there were homes nearby. I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed with the plane to ensure they were safe. It might well not have been a zero-zero ejection seat if it was to original specifications, so no chance of ejecting when the houses were safe. I'm guessing, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is what happened, as I've read about air show and service pilots staying with their craft before. Brave people.

BfHeFwMe
07-17-2006, 06:32 PM
I doubt it, what lawyer worth his salt would sacrifice himself to let another go. It's not in their training nor usually their mentality.

Strange fellow, spent his life wrecking the private aviation industry, while an avid aviator besides.

Airmail109
07-17-2006, 06:40 PM
A jet like that should be equiped with a zero-zero ejector seat...even older models are like 0-90 ejector seats http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif...oh well....poor guy....at least he died doing what he enjoyed...

hotspace
07-17-2006, 06:45 PM
That's terrible news http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

geetarman
07-17-2006, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
I doubt it, what lawyer worth his salt would sacrifice himself to let another go. It's not in their training nor usually their mentality.

Strange fellow, spent his life wrecking the private aviation industry, while an avid aviator besides.

I'm hoping you're just making an attempt at humor in a tragic situation. Otherwise, your a pretty crass fellow.

Everyone hates a lawyer until they need one.

Brenhen
07-17-2006, 11:55 PM
i believe that civilian planes are no longer allowed to fly with active ejection seats. I think there was a crash a long time ago where a civilian pilot ejected and the plane hit some houses and killed some people. It has been a long time since I heard this story, so I can't claim it is 100% accurate, but I believe that the ejection seat part is accurate.

Enforcer572005
07-17-2006, 11:58 PM
The FAA sometimes doesnt allow ejection seats to be installed...ive no idea why they do sometimes and sometime dont. I did photography for an aviation museum in cartersville ga when the owner got killed in his T-37 after a midair with his A-26 (tail wound up in a prop flying too close). the T-37 went into a descending spiral without its tail, and the poor guys body was found a ways away after he had tried to jump out.....the FAA had denied him the right to activate the ejection seat..."too dangerous". That refusal to allow active ejection seats killed both occupants.

I have NO idea if the hunter had one or not. May not ahve had the opportunity to use it, or preffered to control it all the way down. who knows. the loss of another great aviator.

Taylortony
07-18-2006, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
The FAA sometimes doesnt allow ejection seats to be installed...ive no idea why they do sometimes and sometime dont. I did photography for an aviation museum in cartersville ga when the owner got killed in his T-37 after a midair with his A-26 (tail wound up in a prop flying too close). the T-37 went into a descending spiral without its tail, and the poor guys body was found a ways away after he had tried to jump out.....the FAA had denied him the right to activate the ejection seat..."too dangerous". That refusal to allow active ejection seats killed both occupants.

I have NO idea if the hunter had one or not. May not ahve had the opportunity to use it, or preffered to control it all the way down. who knows. the loss of another great aviator.


Sure about that? In the UK it is now a requirememnt that if your aircraft is so equipped with a seat that seat has to be live and in working condition, servced to the exacting standards laid down for the seat.....


I know the US were twitchy after they came to move a gate guardian after some 20 odd years.... the damn seat was still live and killed the person getting into the cockpit to try the brakes..... they then did a search off ALL aircraft in museums and on gates to check if any others had past through the net........ some had.

MO_JOJO
07-18-2006, 02:10 AM
Attorney or not, he died like a hero. You can't judge a man you don't know.

Here's a fly-by for a class act, who apparently loved flying as much as life itself, and went to Heaven the way of the Great Santini.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MO_JOJO/FlyByforFallenHero.jpg

maple81
07-18-2006, 08:42 PM
its too bad, but that doesn't make him a hero..

sebmilliot
07-19-2006, 06:02 AM
Hi,

My thoughrs to the familly

Seems it was a great pilot. I also like hawker hunter plane (I saw 2 at the same time in 2003)

Maybe it's hard to maintain 1951 ejection seats to make them usable

UberDemon
07-19-2006, 10:14 PM
There were 3 homes destroyed and a fourth damaged. Pretty big explosion.

Enforcer572005
07-20-2006, 09:08 PM
while i still have no idea if the hunter had an ejection seat, im quite sure the FAA (fed aviation admin) wouldnt allow the T-37 to have active ejection seats.....the owner was quite vocal about his disgust with them for not allowing that and wondered aloud how they should get outta the thing if it decided to fall outta the air.

I have no idea why they wouldnt allow it. Keep in mind that the FAA is under the dept of transportation (or was at the time), which is operated by people who wouldnt know a Spad from an F-22.

Back in the early 70s when my dad was a civilian instructor for the Army at Ft Rucker, he applied to the FAA for a position he was easily qualified for. they told him he was of the wrong "social background". (???). He thought it meant he was caucasion, so he told the only black instructor at the base about that....who promptly applied as well and got rejected despite considerable flighttime. They were wanting women, couldnt find any that had flight qualifications for giving check rides. A bit of a priority problem i think.

Not the brightest of organizations, despite many well qualified people working there.

Im pretty grateful to these guys who put their money, time , and often their lives into keeping these birds alive so we can see them in the air. He has my respect.