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DarkStar68
10-24-2005, 04:13 PM
For thoes who ever wondered -

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/bf-me/bf-me.htm

PBNA-Boosher
10-24-2005, 04:21 PM
It's both. Bf is the prefix for Bavarian Motorworks. Me is the prefix for Messerschmitt.

Chuck_Older
10-24-2005, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
It's both. Bf is the prefix for Bavarian Motorworks. Me is the prefix for Messerschmitt.

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Bf is "Bayerische Fluegzeugwerke". I'm not sure this translates as "Bavarian Motorworks" or not, but that's what the B and the f stand for. Since "Fluegplatz" means "Airfield" (literally 'flying place' if I'm not mistaken), bayerische fluegzeugwerke means "Bavarian Flightworks or Flyingworks" which I suppose is the same thing. I'm sure a German speaking member can correct me on this

Wily Messersschmitt worked for a company, his planes, like the Taifun, were prefixed Bf up until a certain point, at which time they were Me. A certain parallel for nomenclature exists with the Fw 190 and the Ta 152

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now that I think for a change, wouldn't "bayerische maschinenwerke" be "Bavarian Motorworks", or as we know it, BMW? And BMW was already in business at this time, were they not?

danjama
10-24-2005, 04:40 PM
They changed what they called them after a certain date in the war, cant remember why. merging of companies or something

Xiolablu3
10-24-2005, 04:44 PM
The BF109 is supposedly techically correct as its the company that built them I think.

Its like the Packard Merlin and the Rolls Royce merlin.

tigertalon
10-24-2005, 04:46 PM
Flugzeug = airplane

Chuck_Older
10-24-2005, 04:51 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif that makes so much sense I feel stupid. Of course it does

jeroen-79
10-24-2005, 05:12 PM
Bayerische Motoren Werke makes cars.
Bayerische Flugzeugwerke made planes.

Kuna15
10-24-2005, 06:26 PM
I've noticed that TA-152 is also named after it's designer like in Me-109's case, otherwise it would be the next generation of FW-190 I presume (?). Late in the war, someone mentioned that after certain point LW planes were not designated by the name of the companies that were produced them, but their designer (Willy Messerschmitt, Kurt Tank). When, why I don't know.

Anyway like that site mentiones both terms Bf and Me are correct http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Xiolablu3
10-24-2005, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif that makes so much sense I feel stupid. Of course it does


If this was directed at my post then sorry I should have been clearer.

I likened it to the Merlin Engine because Packard built the Merlin although it was designed by Rolls Royce.

BF built the 109 although it was designed by Me.

Hope this is clearer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG7_Rall
10-24-2005, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
It's both. Bf is the prefix for Bavarian Motorworks. Me is the prefix for Messerschmitt.


he wasn't asking for an explaination, dumb4ss

jds1978
10-24-2005, 07:11 PM
you know, i'd wondered about the different prefix designation regarding the 109...

thanks for clearing that up

luftluuver
10-24-2005, 07:40 PM
Wily Messersschmitt worked for a company, his planes, like the Taifun, were prefixed Bf up until a certain point, at which time they were Me. A certain parallel for nomenclature exists with the Fw 190 and the Ta 152 Not exactly. The Fw company name did not change names unlike the company name of the builder of the 109. The 152 was still a 'Focke-Wulf Ta152'. K Tank was honoured with the model designation prefix while Willey was not as the company was Messerschmitt AG.

Late war one can find both Bf and Me on German documents even though the company name had changed from Bayerische Fluegzeugwerke to Messerschmitt AG in the late 30s.

LW_lcarp
10-24-2005, 08:40 PM
The Messerschmitt story begins with Professor Willy Messerschmitt joining the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke in 1927 and forming a design team. He promoted a concept he called "light weight construction" in which many typically separate load-bearing parts were merged into a single re-enforced firewall, thereby saving weight and improving performance. The first true test of the concept was in the Bf 108 Taifun sports-plane, which would soon be setting all sorts of records. Based on this performance the company was invited to submit a design for the Luftwaffe's 1935 fighter contest, winning it with the Bf 109 based on the same construction methods.

From this point on Messerschmitt became a favourite of the Nazi party, as much for his designs as his political abilities and the factory location in southern Germany away from the "clumping" of aviation firms on the northern coast. Messerschmitt AG was incorporated as a separate company on July 11, 1938, with Willy Messerschmitt as chairman and managing director. The renaming of Bayerische Flugzeugwerke to Messerschmitt AG on that date, resulted in the all future types being designated Me instead of Bf. Existing types, such as 109 and 110, retained their earlier designation in official documents, although sometimes the newer designations was used as well.


Cut and Paste from this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt

Max.Power
10-24-2005, 11:25 PM
Bavaria is Bayerische in English. Flugzeugwerke (not Fluegzeug or whatever) is Aircraft Plant. Not to state the obvious, but I don't think it was spelled out for those who don't know and are curious.

Pirschjaeger
10-25-2005, 03:28 AM
You is all wrong! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

It's MY109. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Fritz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Xiolablu3
10-25-2005, 07:26 AM
Sorry I was wrong then. ooops

MLudner
10-26-2005, 05:31 PM
Bayerische Flugzeugwerke:
Bavarian Aircraft Works.
But, "Plant" works just fine as well as a translation.

I have always called it the Bf-109 because that was the original designation pre-change. I refered to post-change aircraft as Me-whatever. However, the documentation on that site shows that they were, in fact, interchangable.
I'll stick with Bf, though, myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif