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neural_dream
12-19-2005, 07:07 AM
As in the La7 Vs Dora scenario ( http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2811039683 ),
the two pilots (and the gunner) were completing their Sudokus when suddenly they simultaneously realise the one is flying next to the other.

Parallel, distance 30m, same direction, speed 300km/h. Altitude 2500m. What do you do if you are the BF110 and what if you are the single-seat Sturmovik Series 3?

dazza9806482
12-19-2005, 07:10 AM
In the sturmo i would turn immediately and hope to hammer the bf110 with a barrage of cannon and ubs. enough ubs to maim and then follow up.

in the bf110 i would climb as hard as i could and hope to extend away, i would get a bit of distance/height and try slashing attacks.

i reckon the sturmo has a decent shot at this senario...

its so close that i think it has the edge in maneoveurability.

LStarosta
12-19-2005, 07:14 AM
If say they were flying parallel a kilometer away, I would use the Bf110's superior acceleration and top speed to extend, then climb and resume ownage as usual.

Genie-
12-19-2005, 07:15 AM
IL2 turns, gets on me110 six (mw100 can dive, or climb or whatever), kills me110

me110 can't do sh*peep*

neural_dream
12-19-2005, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
If say they were flying parallel a kilometer away, I would use the Bf110's superior acceleration and top speed to extend, then climb and resume ownage as usual.
but they aren't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. They are 30m away.


Originally posted by Genie-:
IL2 turns, gets on me110 six (mw100 can dive, or climb or whatever), kills me110
me110 can't do sh*peep*
Me110 has gunner and a bloody good one in this game. You can't just turn and shoot from 6. You need at least speed advantage, which you don't have.

JuHa-
12-19-2005, 07:30 AM
Me110: A desperate attempt to force an overshoot and getting a shot at IL2.

IL2: Barrel roll or an high Yo-Yo. Point, shoot and repeat.

JG52Uther
12-19-2005, 07:36 AM
110 put the brakes on (flaps 0 pitch) and give the red pretender a taste of mk 108's
Works every time (nearly)

csThor
12-19-2005, 08:35 AM
A 110 that gets caught at 2,5k making only 300 km/h ? I think the Sturmovik pilot starts laughing so hard that he inverts the plane and crashes.

Sintubin
12-19-2005, 08:40 AM
Hmm

In bf 110 i would dive away left side if sturmovik on right side visa versa

Couse my gunner have a nice shot for him if he try to follow me

Get some distange and alt then the good old BOOMY and ZOOMY

msalama
12-19-2005, 11:19 AM
IL-2: depends on whether I'd want to get defensive/offensive.

If defensive I'd split-S to the deck, followed by staying busy as h3ll in the horizontal to avoid the Hun's guns!

If offensive, then a low yo-yo followed by a belly-shot is what I'd try.

Bf110: dunno really. Don't have any experience of the type to speak of, see?

msalama
12-19-2005, 11:25 AM
Get some distange and alt then the good old BOOMY and ZOOMY

Yeah, at which point the Sturmo'd already be @ 50m AGL, busily following the terrain into that nice little shady river valley there...

Brain32
12-19-2005, 11:35 AM
Ofcourse I'm in a ME110, so I enter a very shallow dive and bank in his direction to get underneath him and on his six(where his tailgunner can't hit me) and then I blast him to pieces. If I'm in a "Sturmy", well that's a "red" plane so i turn,turn,turn, and if the sucker follows me I blast him with my cannons - John Wayne style http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

anarchy52
12-19-2005, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by dazza9806482:
in the bf110 i would climb as hard as i could and hope to extend away, i would get a bit of distance/height and try slashing attacks.


That would get you killed in about 5-10 seconds. Even if you roll in his direction and dive he might have a decent shot at you. On the other hand 30m side-by side is an odd start of a dogfight. More like an end (of Bf-110 of course). You could try to force an overshoot but I'm not sure which one rolls better. And sturmo turns much better.

dazza9806482
12-19-2005, 12:09 PM
Hey i didnt say i was any good! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

thats just what i would do, and have done. and died

neural_dream
12-19-2005, 12:10 PM
Some may have forgotten the following:

The Shturmovik Series 3 does NOT have a tail gunner. It's MAX speed is about 450km/h at 2500m. It is significantly more manoeuvrable than the Bf110, which however is much faster, way over 500km/h at 2500m, maybe 550 (don't remember). The tail gunner of the 110 has a 7.92mm MG81Z.
Both planes have very strong forward armament.

Brain32
12-19-2005, 12:16 PM
The Shturmovik Series 3 does NOT have a tail gunner.

LOL, I didn't notice I took for granted it was a Type3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

neural_dream
12-19-2005, 12:22 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Apart from that your answer was the one I liked most up to now:

I'm in a ME110, so I enter a very shallow dive and bank in his direction to get underneath him

LameDuck.
12-20-2005, 10:12 PM
First instinct in this scenario: Slowest, wins.

I'm anxious to set it up and try it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

*edit*
Track: http://home.earthlink.net/~touring23/IL2/IL2_me110_1.ntrk (742 kB)
Next up, switch seats <cringe>

CRSutton
12-21-2005, 12:28 PM
ME 110: Throttle full stop, brakes and flaps out, drop landing grear, half barrel roll away from Sturmy, wet pants, hit "control e"

Sturmy: Watch above with mouth open, wipe your eyes, shake your head, RTB, drink lots of vodka and spend night with inexpensive but patriotic prostitute. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

falling-bird
12-21-2005, 12:58 PM
Are they both doing the same grade of sudoku? If one has an easier puzzle, then his brain may be more fluid and creative, while the other will be bogged down in repetitive thought processes and not be particularly open to new, more lateral, solutions. Also he may be more immersed in his own world and take that vital half second longer to un-detach and become aware of his present €˜Here and Now€ situation. Are the gunner and pilot in the Bf110 doing the same puzzle or separate ones? If doing the same one, on different copies of course, their team-working skills will be at their sharpest and resonant at the point of awareness and thus be able to work out the immediate tactical solution presented with greatest efficiency.

All this is negated however, if one pilot drops his pen in surprise and loses time scrabbling about the cockpit looking for it.

neural_dream
12-21-2005, 01:03 PM
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JtD
12-21-2005, 02:11 PM
110: 3/4 roll to go below IL-2 at 90? from original curse and extend, praying his shots miss. Come back at higher alt and kill the IL-2.

IL-2: React to 110's move and pray my shots hit.

LameDuck.
12-21-2005, 09:53 PM
Dang! AI in IL-2 will not engage, only elude, even at Ace level or when the 110 slews acrossed right in front of him.
http://home.earthlink.net/~touring23/IL2/IL2_me110_1.ntrk
(647 kB).
Heavy sigh. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif
Oh well, I would rather be in the Ilyushin anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

alert_1
12-22-2005, 05:22 AM
In Rl or in the GAME? In the GAME in Sturmo I would turn sharply losing no speed, pull up and rip the unhappy Me110 into pieces...in RL in Sturmo I would hope he didnt see me, if he did I would try crashlandig or bail out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Jaws2002
12-22-2005, 07:17 AM
If in BF-110 and on the right i'd drop takeoff flaps, elevator trim up, full throttle,overrev the cr*p out of the engines roll 45% in his direction and pull up sharp above him and to his left.As high as I can. Then roll back on top of him and blast him.

LameDuck.
12-23-2005, 12:08 PM
What would you do, neural_dream?