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JG52_Manteo
11-22-2005, 07:02 PM
It's getting late, wife is getting irritated, I have to get up at 5 AM for work so I better stop. I Thought I'd leave you all with this image to analyze: Is this 190 captured? Are these allied troops firing it up?( note the lack of gun barrels) And what's the plane in the back ground? and other trivials: pitot cover, wheel chocks, wire going to canopy?
Oh well. Good night.http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/190startup.jpg

Chuck_Older
11-22-2005, 07:13 PM
Plane in the background looks a lot like a Douglas Skyraider to me

I think the plane is in US hands just after the war. Wire could be for electrical power to various systems as the 190 used electrics for many things; given that the chocks are in-place and a side cover is off the cowling, I'd say they were just doing engine runs

danjama
11-22-2005, 07:47 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Nice picture though.

*edit* Then again thinking about it, why are those men wearing black uniforms? Isn't it possible that plane in the background is captured? or even just a lookilike to the skyraider? Hmmm, more thought gotsa go into this than first planned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Chuck_Older
11-22-2005, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Nice picture though.

*edit* Then again thinking about it, why are those men wearing black uniforms? Isn't it possible that plane in the background is captured? or even just a lookilike to the skyraider? Hmmm, more thought gotsa go into this than first planned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Well, they could be Luftwaffe blackbirds. After Germany surrendered, there were a few odd things going on with german servicemen. It's a fact that for some time after the surrender, for example, that armed Wehrmacht MPs were still on duty and still acting as German Army Military Police- regardless of uniform, US, Brit or German. Bill Mauldin did a great cartoon about it

So they could be German, or not. They could be some GIs in black coveralls, after all

danjama
11-22-2005, 07:55 PM
I guess we cant really tell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

danjama
11-22-2005, 08:21 PM
Found a page on this plane, apparently Its "white 11". Havnt read the oage yet but here ya go

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/luftcambg_5.htm

danjama
11-22-2005, 08:23 PM
Focke-Wulf Fw 190A-8
WNr. 681497 "White 11", 5./JG 4, St. Trond Belgium, 1 January 1945
Photograph Copyright ¿ 1998 Charlie Swank

^^^^^ taken from the website about this picture/plane, roughly it is january 1945, in Belgium, so can we assume it is captured?

JG52_Helgstrand
11-22-2005, 09:29 PM
Hmmm ground crew in black uniforms??

Luft ground crews were called "Black-Men" because of their black uniforms.

They could be green but look black to me.

The cable you see is from a generator I think.

Looks like they're doing a maintenance burn, hence the wheel chocks. Don't want it moving when they go to full power. Did that a lot in the Navy.
Maybe it's just been repaired and guns are not put back in place yet?

Daiichidoku
11-22-2005, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Nice picture though.

*edit* Then again thinking about it, why are those men wearing black uniforms? Isn't it possible that plane in the background is captured? or even just a lookilike to the skyraider? Hmmm, more thought gotsa go into this than first planned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Well, they could be Luftwaffe blackbirds. After Germany surrendered, there were a few odd things going on with german servicemen. It's a fact that for some time after the surrender, for example, that armed Wehrmacht MPs were still on duty and still acting as German Army Military Police- regardless of uniform, US, Brit or German. Bill Mauldin did a great cartoon about it

So they could be German, or not. They could be some GIs in black coveralls, after all </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


same thing out east

JP regulars, after having surrendered, were employed as police and "peacekeepers" in china and vietnam http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

WTE_Ibis
11-23-2005, 01:55 AM
From the website provided by Danjama.

Charlie Swank presents a rare colour photograph of a Focke Wulf Fw 190A-8, Werknummer 681497 of 5./JG 4.

The aircraft was flown by Gefreiter Walter Wagner. He was forced to make an emergency landing at St. Trond airfield in Belgium due to flak damage sustained in "Operation Bodenplatte" on 1 January, 1945.


fw190a8cs_5.jpg (55642 bytes)
An atmospheric photo of the port side of this aircraft "a few weeks after capture".


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ronison
11-23-2005, 04:46 AM
I am fairly certin that the plane in the back ground could not be a skyraider. The Skyraider was, at the time, US Navy only and had just gone into service a few months prior to the surrender of the Jappaneese. None were sent to Europe and the ones that were in the service never saw combat untill Korea. I believe they had made it to Okanawa when the Japaneese surrendered if memory serves me right.

Here is a small insert from this sight: http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap49.htm

The history of the Skyraider began during WW II when Douglas submitted a design to the U.S. Navy for the XBT2D-1 as a replacement for the famous SBD dive-bomber. The result was a new airplane designated as the "AD" which made its first flight on March 18, 1945. For the next 12 years there was constant improvement in the airplane up through the AD-7, and 3,180 Skyraiders were delivered to the Navy, many of which were used during the Korean War.

Also if you photo shop the immage and zoom in you will see the plane is so pixilated that you probably could not make a decent ID on it no matter what the plane was. Though it does have a choped back side of the rudder simmilar to the skyraider many planes has somewhat similar designs and many, with pixilation, could turn out just like that in a photo.

Also note that the canopy of the aircraft in the back appears to have a similar canopy to the picutre in the linke I first put up but that the canopy set up of the early Skyraiders were more like the one in the second photo in this link: http://www.home.earthlink.net/%7Egowheeler/page38.html

Another thing on this page could be noted that the other aircraft in the first picture is a F6F helcat so was probably taken just prior to or shortly after WWII ended.



Better photos of the AD-1 here: http://skyraider.org/skyassn/memberpics/hukee/hukee.htm

And with that I will stop this side track to a very interesting picture and post. Sorry to derail this a bit just want someone to see if they can figure out which aircraft is in the background.

zetareticulan
11-23-2005, 05:23 AM
Agree with JG52 Helgstrand.
Also note covered pilot tube.

Chuck_Older
11-23-2005, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by ronison:
I am fairly certin that the plane in the back ground could not be a skyraider. The Skyraider was, at the time, US Navy only and had just gone into service a few months prior to the surrender of the Jappaneese. None were sent to Europe and the ones that were in the service never saw combat untill Korea. I believe they had made it to Okanawa when the Japaneese surrendered if memory serves me right.

Here is a small insert from this sight: http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap49.htm

The history of the Skyraider began during WW II when Douglas submitted a design to the U.S. Navy for the XBT2D-1 as a replacement for the famous SBD dive-bomber. The result was a new airplane designated as the "AD" which made its first flight on March 18, 1945. For the next 12 years there was constant improvement in the airplane up through the AD-7, and 3,180 Skyraiders were delivered to the Navy, many of which were used during the Korean War.

Also if you photo shop the immage and zoom in you will see the plane is so pixilated that you probably could not make a decent ID on it no matter what the plane was. Though it does have a choped back side of the rudder simmilar to the skyraider many planes has somewhat similar designs and many, with pixilation, could turn out just like that in a photo.

Also note that the canopy of the aircraft in the back appears to have a similar canopy to the picutre in the linke I first put up but that the canopy set up of the early Skyraiders were more like the one in the second photo in this link: http://www.home.earthlink.net/%7Egowheeler/page38.html

Another thing on this page could be noted that the other aircraft in the first picture is a F6F helcat so was probably taken just prior to or shortly after WWII ended.



Better photos of the AD-1 here: http://skyraider.org/skyassn/memberpics/hukee/hukee.htm

And with that I will stop this side track to a very interesting picture and post. Sorry to derail this a bit just want someone to see if they can figure out which aircraft is in the background.

I know all this about the Skyraider

Nevertheless, that aircraft looks like a Skyraider

Heliopause
11-23-2005, 10:11 AM
Huckebein made a skin for this Focke Wulf last June. See page 82 on this forum. "Captured Fw 190 Anton-8 (USAAF). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Acc. to Luftwaffe at War by Morten Jessen this was a Fw 190A-8/R2 formely "white 11". It belonged to Gefreiter Walter Wagner who served with 5./JG 4. He landed at St. Trond airfield because he was hit by AA-fire.( jan 1st '45 )
JG 4 was to attack Le Culot but they missed that airfield and lost almost 50% on that mission.It never flew again as the tyres were soaked in hydraulic fluid and had deteriorated to such an extent that it was unsafe to take off.
R2 comes from Rustsatz 2 wich comes down to extra guns for attacking the heavies...(bombers).

tomtheyak
11-23-2005, 10:29 AM
I'd put my house on the un-ID'd background a/c being a P-47 personally...

but then I never bet..! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

danjama
11-23-2005, 02:00 PM
The nose of the BG a/c does look alot like a jug.