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Gunner_361st
04-20-2004, 10:34 AM
Will we be seeing the P-40 B or P-39 D models in Pacific Fighters?

Would love to see them to in PF to defend against the Japanese offensive of the first months of 1942.

As for the grossly misinformed types thinking these aircraft are dogs, look up top speeds for them compared to the A6M2 Zero, especially the P-40 B and E models. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Japanese and American sources.

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Gunner_361st
04-20-2004, 10:34 AM
Will we be seeing the P-40 B or P-39 D models in Pacific Fighters?

Would love to see them to in PF to defend against the Japanese offensive of the first months of 1942.

As for the grossly misinformed types thinking these aircraft are dogs, look up top speeds for them compared to the A6M2 Zero, especially the P-40 B and E models. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Japanese and American sources.

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chris455
04-20-2004, 10:53 AM
I could swear were getting both, per some of Luthier's posts Gunner.
I just can't find the thread right now.

There was some discussion in a thread about the P-39 flight model.

And, although I realize your post was about USAAF models, Luthiers just inquired about Brewster F2a cockpit references. So I at least am confident that the early war types will get their due.

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FltLt_HardBall
04-20-2004, 11:01 AM
Yep, looking forward to those myself - much more than the late-war models.

Gimmie Crap(TM) and/or gimme death!

I suspect a lot of pre-existing FB models will appear in PF. As Luthier said, it's much easier to re-hash an existing model than to make a new one from scratch.

And yes, the early U.S. models suffered much more from poor tactics than anything else.

(and remember that friendly AA was a big threat to Americans during the early stages of the war - those bastages would shoot at anything that moved!)

Luthier - can we have incompetant AA modelled for early-war missions? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Gunner_361st
04-20-2004, 11:09 AM
Excellent news gentlemen, thank you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I look forward to early war fights with all the USAAF, RAAF, IJN, and IJA aircraft coming to us.

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Hedge72
04-20-2004, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gunner_361st:
Will we be seeing the P-40 B or P-39 D models in Pacific Fighters?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Take a look at the link here (http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?s=72f2692920eb804dff14a7d39fe2a8f4&threadid=21375#post349419), about 2/3rd of the way down the page you can see a couple of P-40B progress shots...and she looks beautiful!!

Hedge

grist
04-20-2004, 05:02 PM
How about the P-35A?

ImpStarDuece
04-21-2004, 07:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As for the grossly misinformed types thinking these aircraft are dogs, look up top speeds for them compared to the A6M2 Zero, especially the P-40 B and E models. Japanese and American sources.

Major Gunner of the 361st vFG
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Actual early PTO joke

Q: Whats a P-400?

A: A p-40 with a zero on its tail http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'd say that the P-39D and P-40B were adequate weapons for the early pacific but suffered more than their fair share of hardships as they were facing an enemy who was simply pushing harder and being ultra aggressive.

This put the US off balance, meaning that these aircraft were often used incorrectly and/or fought on the IJAF/IJN's terms and suffered accordingly.

That said top speed is NOT the measure of a good fighter, even a B'n'Z fighter. Accleration, climb, energy retention all play an equal part. It is also important to remember that the Zero built up a reputation of 'Invincibility' in the early period flying as much against wildcats as P-40's and P-39's.

My theory is that the Zero was the right aircraft to dogfight in but when speed and engine power ccame to the for in the post 42 period its thin margin of superiority ws lost.

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VF-2_John_Banks
04-21-2004, 09:28 AM
I think the joke goes like that:

Q: What is a P-400?

A: A P-39 with two Zeros on its tail.

Gunner_361st
04-21-2004, 10:16 AM
I agree, the first months of the war in the South Pacific where the P-40's, P-39's, and P-400's fought they were outnumbered and facing much more experienced japanese pilots.

I fully realize the Zero out-accelerated, out-climbed, out-turned, and out-ranged all three of those American fighters. All-around, it at the time was the superior airplane, I agree.

But these three US fighters got a lousy reputation which I feel is undeserving. Many American pilots were still taught the turn-fighting tactics of WWI in which the Zero obviously dominated.

My point in the statement was these three fighters were fine airplanes despite their drawbacks and weaknesses, and with an experienced pilot behind the wheel, could be a deadly weapon like any other war machine.

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ImpStarDuece
04-21-2004, 07:11 PM
Gunner: i'd like to completely agree with you. You summed up what i actually wanted to say much better than i could of.

The p-40 and p-39 WERE deadly in the right hands. I've seen published and web claims that the "Flying Tigers" had a kill ratio in excess of 20 to 1 and they flew the P-40 almost exclusively (Don't know how reliable these sources were though, so please dont use them as hard and fast facts). The early history of an aircraft often puts an indellable stamp in the minds of people as to how it was regarded and how theu think it performed.

With the wrong tactics ANY aircraft is only some much potential wreckage. Look at what happned when wildcat pilots used co-operative tactics while the Japanese remained wedded to the Bushido notion of honourable single combat and stressed individual prowess against team tactics.

I still like to take on the P-40E with my A6M2 though.

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RAC_Pips
04-22-2004, 12:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gunner_361st:

As for the grossly misinformed types thinking these aircraft are dogs, look up top speeds for them compared to the A6M2 Zero, especially the P-40 B and E models. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Japanese and American sources.
http://home.comcast.net/~smconlon/wsb/media/245357/site1080.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

More important than the max speed figure is the height at which it is reached. And the A6M2 has a faster speed at a higher ceiling than does either the P-40B or the P-39D. Acceleration, energy retention and climb rate is also of greater import than just max speed.