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perseapina
05-04-2005, 11:26 AM
What is the purpose of radiator, prop. pitch, supercharger and all of those trims and how should I use them in different situations while in airborne?

Chuck_Older
05-04-2005, 11:30 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif What noobie wants to know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

essentially in the sim- prop pitch depends on what plane you're flying, firstly. Most Axis planes have a system unlike most Allied planes, in general. Prop pitch refers to how the prop blades 'attack' the air, or rather, at what angle they are relative to airflow

radiator- well, in the sim- you can think of 'radiator' settings the same way on air cooled and liquid cooled engines. In short, opening a flap will allow more airflow to the 'radiator' or the engine's heat sinks in an air cooled engine, and aid in the thermal transfer of heat energy out of the radiator/heat sink, and into the airflow, cooling the engine in effect. the trade off here is cooling efficiecy versus drag- the more the 'door' for the 'radiator' is open, the worse the aerodymanics of the plane are, because of drag, and the effect is you slow down

Supercharger- the supercharger is a mechanical device that 'packs' more air into the engine. Any internal combustion engine can be thought of as an air pump. gettign the most air into and out of the engine in the most efficient manner produces higher performance. You need to change supercharger 'stages' on some aircraft because of various altitudes, where the air is 'thinner' than at lower altitudes

Trim is for ease of flight, and minimal drag. For example: if you're 'out of trim' and the plane rolls left, you counter that with right stick, correct? Well, not really. You trim out the roll instead, because using the ailerons causes a potential drag situation that will reduce your speed

LuckyBoy1
05-04-2005, 11:37 AM
Here's a link to a website that will explain all the complex engine management stuff to you...

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/

You will also want to see Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users as well.

By the way, this game is so extensive and there is so much to learn, that we are all new to it, so I'm not fond of the newbie thingy. There are basically two groups of people around here...

1) Those of us learning the game.

2) Those of us dimwitted enough to think they already know this game.

SlickStick
05-04-2005, 01:12 PM
As for the original poster, to not even take the time to learn the basics before coming on the forums (and the little voice in my head is telling me this is no more than a thinly-disguised "info-troll" post), shows that you want everything handed to you.

RTFM and put your time in like everyone else has. Or at least take the time to read the sticky threads. You'll be able to answer some of your own questions before long.

Chuck_Older
05-04-2005, 01:38 PM
I'll admit that I'm not dimwitted and I am not some newbie, but I do know a lot about how the game works and I did study aeronautics at University and the history of these aircraft and their era are things I've been a student of in and out of structured education, so I feel I can give a pretty solid overview of answers for basic questions by now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

but I also gotta say maybe you need to put your feet up and have a beer, Stick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Something's really bugging you and it's not worth getting worked up over

carguy_
05-04-2005, 02:53 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I`m so friggin dimwitted that I think ppl who don`t know what functions do listed parts perform should not play this game.

That being a fullblown-high-horse opinion.
Then again for your good and for 1C income it is good you bough this particular game.Congratulations,have fun!

Just one n00b-friendly request.
Don`t ask why some things happen the way they do.Don`t force a self-impression that something is not right with the game.Unless ofcourse you can back it all up with docs.

1.The game code is deadlocked.
2.There are no separate plane downloads such as in CFS.

msalama
05-04-2005, 03:01 PM
Yeah but hey, Carguy, the guy was just trolling in the 1st place...

crazyivan1970
05-04-2005, 03:10 PM
How do you know if he was trolling? Looks like simple question to me. And absolutely no need for turning it into the circus, it makes me upset....then i can make you upset too, just for the hell of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

steve_v
05-04-2005, 03:15 PM
At first I thought it was a miracle, as posts began to dissappear before my eyes. Alas, it was the magic of Ivan, which is also pretty good stuff.

Along with the link to Eastern Skies, here is one to Complex Engine Management IL2 Forgotten Battles, by Jeff "Vulgar" Gerhardt, at airwarfare.
http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_cem.htm

msalama
05-04-2005, 03:16 PM
...then i can make you upset too, just for the hell of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sure you can http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No but seriously, I thought I've seen him around before & that's why I thought he was a troll...

But if not, then apologies for me blaming him as such of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SlickStick
05-04-2005, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
How do you know if he was trolling? Looks like simple question to me. And absolutely no need for turning it into the circus, it makes me upset....then i can make you upset too, just for the hell of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pffft, yeah, all genuine noobs choose that type of thread title and spiel off about all those functions without even attempting to understand them first. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Oh well, I guess I'm just the paranoid type. I can live with that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Taylortony
05-04-2005, 04:40 PM
Maybe it has not occured to anyone, but surely the use of such blatent profanity, should have been jumped on at the offset instead of being ignored, when one cannot use an abreviated word for certain countries, one would have thought the word B*st*rd should be deleted, after all it is not even being used in the context of its term but is being used for as a derogatory swear word..... Remember kiddies come in here............. just look at some of the posts..

I thought pretty mcuh the same. When I read the title out in the GD. So I came in to have a look see. Well its getting Moded already, But I took the liberty to clear up the word. Oops ment to reply not edit. My Bad?

Taylortony
05-04-2005, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif What noobie wants to know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



radiator- well, in the sim- you can think of 'radiator' settings the same way on air cooled and liquid cooled engines. In short, opening a flap will allow more airflow to the 'radiator' or the engine's heat sinks in an air cooled engine, and aid in the thermal transfer of heat energy out of the radiator/heat sink, and into the airflow, cooling the engine in effect. the trade off here is cooling efficiecy versus drag- the more the 'door' for the 'radiator' is open, the worse the aerodymanics of the plane are, because of drag, and the effect is you slow down

Unless it is a P51 and then it produces more thrust than drag http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



Trim is for ease of flight, and minimal drag. For example: if you're 'out of trim' and the plane rolls left, you counter that with right stick, correct? Well, not really. You trim out the roll instead, because using the ailerons causes a potential drag situation that will reduce your speed


Chuck, you do use the aileron to trim the plane out, but to do it manually is tiring, The trim tab is simply used to deflect the Aileron upwards or downwards to level the aircraft inflight and take the workload off the pilot trying to hold it over against the airflow, same with elevator and rudder trim....... Incidently the word to trim an aircraft originally came about from the method used, a small piece of cord was doped to the trailing edge of the wing that was flying low, the weight of this had the effect of dropping that Aileron and lifting the wing.... fine adjustment was done by "Trimming" with a pair of scissors a piece off the cord till it flew level.....

The reason you have it adjustable is to compensate for torque, fuel burn etc that shifts the CofG as it reduces.....

Also it is not always the Ailerons that are out if an Aircraft rolls, this is why the ball is important, If the rudder is out of trim this will induce yaw and the secondary effect of yaw is roll as you will well know, for those that don't as the Aircraft yaws the advancing wing creates lift and that then rolls the plane, often when I get told that the Aircraft isnt flying level the first thing I will do is enquire about the ball........... after a blanks stare from them... I go out and tweek the fixed tab a little... Had one pilot who shall remain nameless came to me said ....hey some muppets bent the back of the rudder, don't worry I have straightened it for you.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

steve_v
05-04-2005, 05:27 PM
Had one pilot who shall remain nameless came to me said ....hey some muppets bent the back of the rudder,
Story at 11:00

http://www.geocities.com/g8tr45/cookie.txt

crazyivan1970
05-04-2005, 05:34 PM
ROFLMAO stevo! Had me and tears. Was it 204 when K4 lost its rudder to cookie monster. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

steve_v
05-04-2005, 06:24 PM
It was one of those patches, just can't remember which. I believe this is the handiwork of one your pals, Mutt. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif