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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 12:12 PM
Just two words: B*** S***!!!!
I just changed three weeks ago from an AMD 2000+ to AMD 2800 and a new Asus A7N8X and the damned heat from the processor just fried my HDD and CDRW!!! Incredible! And even with 3 copper fans and aluminium case! It just couln´t handle both the GPU and CPU heating...That´s what they said when I brought it to repair...
Even with all that cooling, the CPU was above 50ºC three minutes after starting the computer...Ok ok, it´s true that here in Madrid it´s quite hot those days (38ºC), but at home, I just live all day long with air conditioning at 23ºC...to no avail...
So, I changed to a P4 at 2.8 Ghz FSB 800 and man! What a difference!!! Never goes above 35ºC!!! BTW, I didn´t change the cooling system I had with the AMD, so notice the difference...The damned thing costed me a new HDD, a new CDRW and a lot of reinstallation work!
Also, they told me about the heating problems of Nvidia GPUs, and they told me next time to go for an ATI card, which are much cooler than Nvidia...
So, here is my experience with AMD...I´ll never get back to it, that´s for sure.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 12:12 PM
Just two words: B*** S***!!!!
I just changed three weeks ago from an AMD 2000+ to AMD 2800 and a new Asus A7N8X and the damned heat from the processor just fried my HDD and CDRW!!! Incredible! And even with 3 copper fans and aluminium case! It just couln´t handle both the GPU and CPU heating...That´s what they said when I brought it to repair...
Even with all that cooling, the CPU was above 50ºC three minutes after starting the computer...Ok ok, it´s true that here in Madrid it´s quite hot those days (38ºC), but at home, I just live all day long with air conditioning at 23ºC...to no avail...
So, I changed to a P4 at 2.8 Ghz FSB 800 and man! What a difference!!! Never goes above 35ºC!!! BTW, I didn´t change the cooling system I had with the AMD, so notice the difference...The damned thing costed me a new HDD, a new CDRW and a lot of reinstallation work!
Also, they told me about the heating problems of Nvidia GPUs, and they told me next time to go for an ATI card, which are much cooler than Nvidia...
So, here is my experience with AMD...I´ll never get back to it, that´s for sure.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 12:26 PM
I got a 2700+ with the same mobo as you with a simple default 80mm fan cooler on it and a 550 Watt power supply with 2 fans and thats it, no extra case fans or anything fancy like that.

The proc never goes above 43 degrees.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 12:27 PM
My AMD XP1900+ (OEM machine with 1 fan, plastic and metal case) has been running at like 54 degrees C for 1 and a half years. 54 is not hot to a processor.

I am seriously thinking of upgrading to the XP2800 though. Also, how does a hot CPU fry your hard drive and CDRW? They are not touching.

I had a GF3ti200 but replaced it because the fan wore down. Now I use Ti4400

Anyway, I don't think 54C is hot.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 12:32 PM
50ºC just a few minutes after a cold start is not high? I bet that temperature goes well above 60 or 65ºC after playing for a while with FB or other demanding games...And, even though, the difference between the two processors is quite high, having changed nothing else...It seems that the heat induced somehow a short-circuit. They even said they´d never seen anything like that...Maybe it was just bad luck, but same specs with different Processors and 20ºC less for the last one talks for itself...

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 01:42 PM
cueceleches, very wise choice..

It is like the saying goes: "If you want something good and cheap, prepare to buy both of them - so the poor can't afford to buy cheap."

Hopefully your Intel/ATI combo works well. *thumbs up*

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 02:29 PM
the place you took it for repair have just fobbed you off with an excuse ( im guessing they put it together ) bcos if its getting that high with a copper heatsink they definately fitted it incorrectly and if it did ( which i doubt) killed your H/D then they should of replaced that free of charge.
But imo ( just a guess here though ) if your h/d and cdr/w are fried maybe you should of checked what FSB / AGP/PCI speeds you were runing as a pci buss way over speck will kill a h/d.

a 2800+ fitted correctly with a good heats running at default speed shouldnt go much over 40 degrees C

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 02:37 PM
I just installed a new heatsink (Volcano7+) on my p4 2.8 and went from 47c in game to about 38-40c and even with overclock it never goes as high as the standard heatsink.

So get some peace of mind and bin the stock heatsink ASAP

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 04:07 PM
cueceleches,

I have the same board and recently installed a 2800 on it. I didn't have any issues at all with high temps. Thier claim just doesn't sound right to me. However I could not get my system to run stable at all even with the default optimized settings in bios. I played with it for 2 weeks and finaly took it out and put the 2400 back in wich clocks at 2.8 ghz no problem and runs rock solid. Both cpus stayed at 38c-40c for me thow. I was thinking that mabye I got a bad chip with the 2800 and gave it to a friend to try out on his MSI board to see how it runs for him. Haven't heard any results on that yet. Reading about your problems is making me wonder if the A7N8X hates 2800xp cpu now. Glad you finaly got something together that is working for you.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 06:06 PM
I've got to agree with Welshman on this one. That place was blowing smoke up your A$$. Even if it was running at 60-65C it is not going to fry your HD and CD. My guess is that they did not have it seated correctly as welsh said. My amd 2100+ Oced to 2058mhz never gets above 42C.

Don't blame AMD for this. The Palimino chips were known to run hot, But the T-breds and beyond have gotten much better.

Good luck with your new rig!


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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 06:22 PM
Ok, I must say that I checked myself if the fans were badly seated, and they weren´t. I guess that having the PC placed in a three sided board that fitted perfectly, but was maybe too hot for it was an issue...Nevertheless, I consider anything above 40ºC a high temp. As someone else said, it appears also that there may be some issues also with that processor and the Asus Mobo...In fact, the first time my PC grilled with the 2800 and got it repaired, everything was rechecked to see if something was not installed properly...to no avail. This time, they cheked the temp while playing BF 1942, and the CPU got to an incredible temp of 90ºC!!! So, they didn´t try to have me, as they are good friends of mine and I was present.
I´ve been quite happy with the AMDs since my first 500, but this time, there were too many problems with it, so I decided to go for the Intel, and I think I´ve made the right decision...Now, it never goes above 38ºC even while playing very graphics demanding games, so, so far, so good...
AMD gave me a good service for a long time, now it´s time to go for something new and I guess better quality, even if a little more expensive...

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 06:39 PM
I have a ATI 9700 Pro running on a Gigabyte mb with an AMD XP2800. No problems what so ever. All settings are default and no overclocking has been done. I have 3 fans. Definetly sounds like something wasn't right like a bad bio setting or heatsink or faulty fan module.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 06:40 PM
ATIs are much much less heating monsters than Geforce.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:09 PM
50 degrees Celcius is not hot at all!! I am a electronics technician with a degree in computer engineering technology and I say that there's no way that heat from the processor running that low of a temp could affect your HD or CDRW drive!!! I worked at IBM as a mainframe technician for years and know my hardware. My AMD processor is 51 degrees as I write this. My old Thunderbird 1200Mhz ran at higher than that for years, no problem. You can touch something at that temp and it won't even burn you, only warm to the touch. Since an AMD can run at that temp for years and do well, there's no possibility that the low temperature of the processor affected anything else, mobo included. Sounds to me more like your case is not very efficient at exhausting the excess heat built up from everything in it combined. I run with the side of my case off all the time since I have a poorly designed case that cools better with it opened up than closed. The people at your shop were blowing you a line of crap. Many AMDs run at that high of a temp with no problems for years on end. If my CPUs have been running higher than 50C for years than why has neither my HD or CDRW fried?? Tell that to those dudes at your computer shop. Sounds to me that they wanted to sell you another mobo and CPU so they could make more money!!!


Message Edited on 06/26/03 10:21PM by mortoma

Message Edited on 06/26/0310:22PM by mortoma

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:20 PM
its not the fans that need seating properly its the heatsink its self, no offense but you seem a little new to installing CPU's etc but if you say you had a temp of 90c all i can say lol get someone who knows WTF he is doing to install the heatsink. and if you think 40C is too high you better get water cooling from now on.
as for temps AMD cpu's run fine up to 60C sometimes over but imo never let it get upto and past 60C under full load.
i bet they didnt even use thermal paste

about the other guys post reguarding whos 2400 ran at 2.8 ghz was that a intel or AMD ? if AMD lol no way..2800+ yeah but 2.8 ghz come on dont tell lie's.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:21 PM
what temp does your probe start to register
my xp2600 cpu probe only registers after 45c so untill it gets there it doesnt bother to register i guess if your showed 50c after a few mins thats pretty near its lower registering level??

my cpu rune quite happily between 55-60c after a few hours of FB and ive got pretty cheap cooling


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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:40 PM
cueceleches wrote:
- Just two words: B*** S***!!!!
- I just changed three weeks ago from an AMD 2000+ to
- AMD 2800 and a new Asus A7N8X and the damned heat
- from the processor just fried my HDD and CDRW!!!
- Incredible! And even with 3 copper fans and
- aluminium case! It just couln´t handle both the GPU
- and CPU heating...That´s what they said when I
- brought it to repair...
- Even with all that cooling, the CPU was above 50ºC
- three minutes after starting the computer...Ok ok,
- it´s true that here in Madrid it´s quite hot those
- days (38ºC), but at home, I just live all day long
- with air conditioning at 23ºC...to no avail...
- So, I changed to a P4 at 2.8 Ghz FSB 800 and man!
- What a difference!!! Never goes above 35ºC!!! BTW, I
- didn´t change the cooling system I had with the AMD,
- so notice the difference...The damned thing costed
- me a new HDD, a new CDRW and a lot of reinstallation
- work!
- Also, they told me about the heating problems of
- Nvidia GPUs, and they told me next time to go for an
- ATI card, which are much cooler than Nvidia...
- So, here is my experience with AMD...I´ll never get
- back to it, that´s for sure.
-


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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:47 PM
I`m running XP2800 on nForce2 mobo with 9700PRO 2 HDD`s and all other things... 5 cooling fans keeping a temp of 37-38C/ 19C mobo without FB and with FB rises to 45 and that`s that. Donno what went wrong with you. Maybe bad airflow?

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 08:22 PM
In what way are Intel better than AMD in term of heat???

The one that put the cpu on probably didn´t know what they where doing and where applying the thermal paste or heatsink the wrong way or they just put on inadequate cooling to cut costs. That has happened to me with the Thunderbirds which are known for running hot.

And anyone who don´t think Intel CPU:s is overpriced is fooled.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:41 AM
Guys, thank you all for your tips about what could have happened...Maybe there was something wrong with the mobo or something...Anyway, they changed the mobo and CPU for free, as they felt it was somehow their fault...That was nice, so it didn´t cost me a single cent.
But I keep thinking that the difference between Intel and AMD in terms of temp. is huge! Yes, I guess I was unlucky with my las AMD and Mobo, but the point was having my rig running again to play FB, and that´s what I had, finally, after three neverending weeks!!!
Maybe some of you will understand me, but my rig is somewhat like my little daughter, and when it goes away, I feel sad /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ...so, if AMD did not give me a true solution, why not change to Intel and try it?
Ok, I hope now to see you all in the virtual skys of HB!!!
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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 05:36 PM
Well if they did it all for free then I take back what I said about them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif But there MUST have been something else worong there since there are millions of people running
AMDs between 45 and 60 degrees C and they are not complaining. I never realized that INTEL chips literally run at room temperature!! Good for Intel, but 50C is not really hot either. When I went fomr my Thunderbird to my newer XP-2100, I was delighted that it ran at only 50C!!
I thought that was almost too cool, lol.............

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:25 AM
It's just important to keep the Intel cpus cool also. After a preditermined temp, the intel actually throttles down to keep it cooler. What that temp is when it does that I can't remember but check their white pages and aim for a temp lower than. So at times an intel cpu could actually seem slower where an Amd cpu would crash. Best to keep either cpu as cool as possible. 50C at full load gaming isn't bad for either cpu. The newest intel cpu's are just as bad for heat as amd is.

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 08:07 AM
I have to agree with the welshman(bad install,probably forgot to remove the tape from the back of heatsink)I just up-graded from a PIII to 2200 athlon xp and core temp and ambient temp actually dropped.I'm seeing constant 38*c.with a Geforce 4.

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 08:40 AM
The A7N8X will not run stable for most users if the memory timings are not set to auto in the bios.

The most important part of this is that the Nforce2 chipset and in particular the A7N8X board does not like its memory clock to be different than the FSB.

Since you went from a 2400 to a 2800 your FSB went from 133 to 166, if you had the timings on auto like you should then your memory is at fault being unable to clock at DDR333. If your DDR is only 266 then this is most likely your problem.

My XP2400 would not run stable on my DDR333 until I set it to auto and the bios set the DDR to 266 and upped the timings, in the end the benchmarks came out the same and I haven't had a single crash or reboot since.

gurypubble wrote:

have the same board and recently installed a 2800 on it. I didn't have any issues at all with high temps. Thier claim just doesn't sound right to me. However I could not get my system to run stable at all even with the default optimized settings in bios. I played with it for 2 weeks and finaly took it out and put the 2400 back in wich clocks at 2.8 ghz no problem and runs rock solid. Both cpus stayed at 38c-40c for me thow. I was thinking that mabye I got a bad chip with the 2800 and gave it to a friend to try out on his MSI board to see how it runs for him. Haven't heard any results on that yet. Reading about your problems is making me wonder if the A7N8X hates 2800xp cpu now. Glad you finaly got something together that is working for you.


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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 03:59 PM
Cragger,

Thanx for the input on this. That confirms what Ive been thinking now. It has been true for me that if I change my memory timings at all from auto running either cpu things become unstable. When I had the 2800 in I set memory in sync and started bringing the fsb up until things would go bad. I was able to get to 156 and keep everybody happy. Anything above that would wack things out. I have Corsair pc2700 2x256 1x510. I think I'll get a couple new 512 sticks and see if that solves things. I need some more ramm to put together another machine anyway so that may be a good solution. Now I am running the 2400 at 133fsb, ramm at 100% and have adjusted cpu multiplier up too achieve the 2.8gig. This runs very well. I went for the 2800-barton for the large cache and the 333mhz fsb hoping it would improve game play. It will be interesting to see what happens with some new ramm and the 2800.

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