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SergioRoadster
06-01-2007, 04:14 PM
I bought Il2 46 because of the reviews I read about it. A new game with all the jet prototypes that would be flying if the war had continued, and as bonus all the other releases of IL2. But when I load the game I thought there was a menu from which we could pick the game we wanted to play. It appears a movie of the pacific war and then a menu where we can choose missions from the different airforces. But that's it. Where are the other games?
And which is this one I can only access? Is that the first Il-2 Sturmovik? Because it seems old, graphics outdated even when compared to the microsoft combat flight simulator 3.

Klemm.co
06-01-2007, 04:41 PM
1946 is the whole IL-2 Series in one game. There's no different games to choose from, but a whole lot of things you can choose to do since you don't even have to switch between games. Its like all content ever released in the series in one game.
And yes the graphics are outdated by todays standards. But that doesn't matter. What does matter is what you can do with the game and how the flight models "feel". And that is what makes the one big difference to CFS 3.

And what kind of computer do you have and how are your graphic settings? Because there are a lot of options that will make the game better looking, but they are also very performance-demanding.

Just give a more detailed explanation of what you want to do with the game and some people around here can advise you on everything you can do with it, cause there's so much to choose from.
And I hope this wasn't your last post!

Ken_Det
06-01-2007, 04:43 PM
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Bearcat99
06-01-2007, 05:25 PM
I bought Il2 46 because of the reviews I read about it. A new game with all the jet prototypes that would be flying if the war had continued, and as bonus all the other releases of IL2. But when I load the game I thought there was a menu from which we could pick the game we wanted to play. It appears a movie of the pacific war and then a menu where we can choose missions from the different airforces. But that's it. Where are the other games?
And which is this one I can only access? Is that the first Il-2 Sturmovik? Because it seems old, graphics outdated even when compared to the microsoft combat flight simulator 3.
OK..... first of all... 46 is like IL2 Prego.... it's in there.... All of the versions are in that one package so you won't see a menu with FB, PF etc... The sim should load up to v 4.07m in the lower left corner.

Then go to <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946\setup</span> Look in the lower left corner. There is a box that says intro and it is checked. Un check it. As for outdated graphics..... these grphics are arguably some of the best out there.. granted up high MS has at least a contention.. but down low nothihg beats this sim.

Be patient and enjoy.

Skycat_2
06-01-2007, 05:42 PM
You can choose any of the flyable jets in the Quick Mission Builder. You are always plane #1 in the first flight (ie, the first line). All other positions are AI. Your side is the top half of the menu and the enemy is the bottom half. Just choose how many friendlies and of what aircraft types, and how many enemies, and fly the mission.

If you want to fly the jets in the '1946' campaigns, you'll have tob choose either Germany or Russia in the Pilot Career menu. I can't remember the name of the Russian career but the German career is titled "Burning Streak." It is a story-driven campaign, not a dynamic campaign like most of the stock careers are.

In this sim, the only other nation that has a jet available to it is the United States. The YP-80 is from the Aces Expansion Pack for Forgotten Battles, but there has never been a stock campaign released for it. The series is somewhat hit-or-miss in this regard; don't expect all planes to be used in the stock missions and campaigns.

Skycat_2
06-01-2007, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by SergioRoadster:
Because it seems old, graphics outdated even when compared to the microsoft combat flight simulator 3.
http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/CFS3/articles/review/images/cfs-cockpits.jpg
CFS-3 cockpits

IL-2 series' Me262 cockpit (http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_071a_20.jpg)
IL-2 series' P-51D cockpit (http://sturmovik.w.interia.pl/Screenshots/p51%20kabina.jpg)

Do you have FirePower for CFS-3? If so, you know that after FP is installed, you still have one game but it is upgraded with more aircraft and missions. As a product, IL-2: 1946 is similar except it has more than just one expansion and everything installs at once.

major_setback
06-02-2007, 04:11 AM
-Create a pilot.
-Go to the campaigns section.
-Set the difficulty.
-Create the campaign, note, you can select from a drop-down list of several aircraft for each campaign arena.
-When you want to continue that campaign you go to the pilots section then select the pilot you craeted for that particular campaign (you can re-name him by clicking on the name) ie nname him Berlin44Bf109 to easily see what arena that Pilot/campaign was created in.
-To continue the campaign click on the campaign button after selecting the pilot (you created)that flies in that campaign.

XyZspineZyX
06-02-2007, 06:54 AM
Hi Sergio

I am very confused by your post, so please bear with me


Originally posted by SergioRoadster:
I bought Il2 46 because of the reviews I read about it. A new game with all the jet prototypes that would be flying if the war had continued, and as bonus all the other releases of IL2.


Well, you have had some degree of misunderstanding. If some review said the game featured all the jet prototypes had the war continued, then that review was very, very wrong. You cannot trust online reviews 100%, unforunately. Just ebcause it is an "official" online gaming mag review, this doesn't mean it has any merit- it just means it's online. To compound the problem, I find many online reviews in general to be from people very passionate, somewhat biased, and often not very objective or thorough

The Il2:Sturmovik 1946 package does not contain "all" the other il2 titles. It omits the original Il2 Sturmovik, which is incompatible with the rest of teh series. Il2:Sturmovik contains:

*Il2:Sturmovik Forgotten Battles (different from the original, odd, yes, I know)
*Aces Expansion pack
*Pacific Fighters (which previously could be stand-alone or an add-on to Forgotten Battles)
*All pacthes for the above
*Pe-2 Peshka
*Sturmoviks over Manchuria
*1946



Originally posted by SergioRoadster:
But when I load the game I thought there was a menu from which we could pick the game we wanted to play. It appears a movie of the pacific war and then a menu where we can choose missions from the different airforces. But that's it. Where are the other games?

I'm not sure why you thought that. The good news for you is that you don't need to select anything at all- the Il2:Sturmovik 1946 package rolls all of that into one- instead of seperate games, it combines everything. You don;t need to picka nd choose which game you want, should you be playing an Eastern Front sceanrio and want to play a pacfic scenario. if they were seperate, you'd have to chose the otehr game in a menu. Instead, you simply change the scenario within the game

It's confusing to read how this is not obvious to you...I'm not sure weere the confusion lies. Can you explain what part of the interface is giving you trouble?

The movie is an intro movie, and it from pacific Fighters

When you load the game, in the upper left hand corner will be displayed the game titles that have been combined, and in the lower left, a version number

If your version number is 4.07, then you have everything with the exception of one single patch, which brings you to 4.08, the current version

To select the theatre you want to play in, you select a nationality, and a campaign, all from the same common menues. be it a USMC or Soviet Air Force campaign


Originally posted by SergioRoadster:
And which is this one I can only access? Is that the first Il-2 Sturmovik? Because it seems old, graphics outdated even when compared to the microsoft combat flight simulator 3.

This is the most confusing part-

This version you're playing is Il2 Sturmovik 1946 It has everything I mentioned above, but it does not launch the seperate games, it has combien them all in one common program for your convenience

Concerning the graphics: It is my thinking that your grpahics otions are turned very far down. Even the original Il2's graphics were better than CFS3's graphcis. The grainy, blotchy cockpits were the worst part of CFS3

Independent community members of CFS3 have done a wonderful job of updating CFS3 graphics, but they still only just compete with this sim. here's a skin I did just the other day, for this sim. It's an historically accurate paintscheme:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/grab0002.jpg

Same skin in action:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/tigerbite.jpg


Unlike CFS3, each aircraft in this sim can have a different paintscheme. In CFS3, if I have 12 P-51s, they all have the same paintjob. In this sim, they can each have the correct, historical paintjob from a real Fighter Group, right down to individual serial numbers and ID numbers

I didn't make this skin, but it is another historical one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/howard.jpg

One of my favorites, a german Bf 109E-4, by CanonUK:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/steinhilper.jpg

Here's a cockpit shot from this sim, this isn;t even one of the best cockpits. I made this to explain defelction shooting. Poor reproduction, but vastly better than CFS3. In this sim, while I can skin planes, I nor anyone else can re-make cockpits. This is the developer's origianl work
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/bomber.jpg

At altitude, the CFS3 landscapes are more convincing. Up close, they are obviously flat

XyZspineZyX
06-02-2007, 07:01 AM
Compare the cockpits of these two planes, from this sim, with cockpits from CFS3

Remember that these cockpits are not updated versions done by dedicated 3rd party modellers after the sim was released. These are not "fixes" or "updates", these are the cockpits as originally shipped:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/VVS1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/VVS2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/glad1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/glad2.jpg


You may need to spend a little time selecting some graphics options, but I think you'll agree that the results are worth it

Skycat_2
06-02-2007, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
The Il2:Sturmovik 1946 package does not contain "all" the other il2 titles. It omits the original Il2 Sturmovik, which is incompatible with the rest of teh series.
This is a true statement, but it may need some clarification.

"IL-2 Sturmovik" was the original air combat sim by Oleg Maddox and 1C:MG. Developed in Russia, it focused exclusively on battles on the Eastern Front that engaged the air forces of Germany and the Soviet Union. The title was released sometime around 2001 and was optimized for computers of that time.

"IL-2 Forgotten Battles" was originally planned as an expansion pack for IL-2. The developers created some new maps, planes and objects, and included a few community-made models as well. However, they ended up reworking the code so much to put in new features (like realistic water and searchlights) that they felt it was better to just release IL-2 and Forgotten Battles as one completely new 'sequel' product. On one hand, all of IL-2's maps and planes are in Forgotten Battles -- many were rebuilt to give them higher detail. On the other hand, the scripted campaigns that were in IL-2 Sturmovik were not included in the final Forgotten Battles product; FB instead introduced a dynamic campaign generator called DGen.

As BBB46cid said, the original IL-2 Sturmovik is not compatible to or even needed for the IL-2 series. In effect, it is a separate sim just like CFS-1 is different from CFS-3.

When the 1946 DVD was released, all of the expansions for Forgotten Battles (including two that had not previously been released) were put on the DVD. The original IL-2 Sturmovik campaigns were also included, so technically you have all of the versions of the IL-2 family on 1946.

major_setback
06-02-2007, 10:21 AM
I agree to a small degree with the original poster on the CFS3 graphics. The exterior of the aircraft can look better in some cases, and the human figures are far better in CFS3.
Ground objects are well modelled, and ex train stations look very busy with scores of objects.

http://www.netwings.org/pages/news/he-111/ground.jpg

Don't be fooled though, even if the explosions in CFS3 look inpresive, that's about all that does impress. The FB series is much better, the aircraft feel and behave the way they should, they don't in CFS3. I have tried both, played both of them quite a lot, and FB is the only one I would touch now (except for some ground attack - with those nice CFS3 explosions).

The aircraft are far superior in Sturmovic 1946. Once you have learn't to fly them you won't look back.
I hope you are using a joystick, or you won't tell the difference between the games. You need to!

SergioRoadster
06-04-2007, 05:58 PM
Well... I wasn't expect all this from you guys, you really are very nice hellpfull people!
Thank you very much for you help and enlightment.
I really thought that 46 consisted in seperated games from which to choose, now I see that is all "melted" in one.
About the graphics, because in setup it didn't shown my specific graphic card like CFS3 does, I just picked "maximu settings" and the results were very poor. "Costum" seemed kind of confusing so I didn't try it. This was before this topic.
I have a ATI RAdeon X1650 so today I just choosed the "ATI Radeon" option and 1280x960 16 bit video. And it shure looks much better!
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4379/grab0001ym4.th.jpg (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grab0001ym4.jpg) http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/6983/grab0002tx8.th.jpg (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grab0002tx8.jpg) http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/3406/grab0003ne9.th.jpg (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grab0003ne9.jpg)
Take-off training I was doing in a mission, was to slow and the plane behind crahsed on my tail and gear, it was funny.

Skycat, BBB46 and Major Setback which video mode do you use?

My computer is outdated ( PEntium IV 2800MHZ, 1500 RAM) but like with CFS3 (where I play with all video options on maximum) it doesnt get slow. I'm gonna try the 1280 at 36bit to see if it runs smooth. Anout that "provider" option, which is best? the "direct x" or "open gl"? Myself I didn't noticed a diference in performance.
But I see there's a big diference is reality compared to CFS3. CFS3 seems a arcade game compared to IL-2 even in "Normal" difficulty, going to have to learn to fly again. EVen take-off seems hard, there is a lot of "torque" pulling the plane to the left. I'm going to read thas fixed guide for take-offs of the forum.

Divine-Wind
06-04-2007, 06:06 PM
Yup. The CFS series went from one of the best to one of the worst. "As fake as it gets" should be the new subtitle.

Taylortony
06-04-2007, 06:15 PM
Open GL isd the best then set it to perfect in the set up.... it may slow it up a bit, you can also alter the config file to increase tree detail, water detail, etc............ see


http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&cat=35

detail is lacking in some of the maps down low, but as most action is off the ground it does not matter as much.......... try flying in the mountains and change the time to early morning and drop your jaw at the sunrise and mist in the valleys...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Skycat_2
06-04-2007, 06:26 PM
I believe that IL-2 was designed around Open Glide, the mode I prefer when I use my tower computer with GeForce 4 Ti card. But on my new laptop I'm stuck using DirectX or else the planes are rendered under the forests in the top-down views. Very wierd.

Taylortony
06-04-2007, 06:38 PM
But as said by BBB462cid you can skin the aircraaft and there are hundreds to choose from for free. These were a couple I was working on when I retired from skinning, but they do show the lighting effects you can get on the likes of the Liberator and reworked weathering and scheme on one of Jesters 110....... the crew do let them down though, but I was working on the plane not them, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


http://mysite.orange.co.uk/aircraftphoto/old_un.jpg

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/aircraftphoto/b.jpg

Taylortony
06-04-2007, 06:42 PM
Oh and then you can go completely wacky, such as when I was asked to design a racing scheme for one of the racing teams.......... yes incase you do not know, the game also allows you to set a racing course out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/il2_skinners_guides/17/LSR_Skins_copy.jpg

Taylortony
06-04-2007, 06:49 PM
But I will add the successor to 1946 is in the works now and this is Storm of War...this uses a new engine and this is what the cockpits are like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


http://airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/

http://airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/



http://airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/08-2005/bf109e3_co2.jpg

LStarosta
06-04-2007, 06:50 PM
Very awesome looking racing skins TT!

Divine-Wind
06-04-2007, 07:06 PM
Yup, you can go completely wacky or completely historical (or a little of both, or in between) with skinning in Il2. One thing that people do is 'hack' a skin for a plane in order to use it as a substitute for a plane we don't have. (i.e., I-185/La-5 for the Ki-44, BF110 for the Potez, LaGG-3 for the Dewoitine D.520, etc.)
In fact, I got started skinning in IL-2 because I was trying to do up a goofy personal skin for the P-40, but ended up doing a somewhat-historical scheme... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

By the way, that damaged B-24 looks incredible TT.