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XyZspineZyX
04-01-2007, 09:53 AM
Some changes are being made

In the effort to ease installation, an optional .exe has been made for skins, and I beleive the campaign. Or perhaps the whole shebang together. I didn't make it, but this was done as a favor for me, and is much appreciated. Check at M4T later in the "news" section, which is where I presume that news will be listed

Also- a few errors were noted. Nothing major, but one was funny, and it had to be fixed. Two missions got slight updates, and the patch should be available soon, again, check at "news" at M4T. The patch will probably be linked to on the downlaod page

XyZspineZyX
04-01-2007, 09:53 AM
Some changes are being made

In the effort to ease installation, an optional .exe has been made for skins, and I beleive the campaign. Or perhaps the whole shebang together. I didn't make it, but this was done as a favor for me, and is much appreciated. Check at M4T later in the "news" section, which is where I presume that news will be listed

Also- a few errors were noted. Nothing major, but one was funny, and it had to be fixed. Two missions got slight updates, and the patch should be available soon, again, check at "news" at M4T. The patch will probably be linked to on the downlaod page

XyZspineZyX
04-01-2007, 10:46 AM
updated at M4t

EURO_Snoopy
04-01-2007, 12:20 PM
WSBS Version 1.01 has been released. Two missions have been updated.

The original download has been replaced with WSBS 1.01; a self installing version. This contains the complete WSBS Campaign and skin packs.

If you have already installed WSBS you only need the WSBS 1.01 Patch (http://www.mission4today.com/uploads/downloads/2007/04/WSBS_Patch_1_01.zip) which will extract over an existing installation.

WSBS Download Page (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=2166)

Chris0382
04-01-2007, 12:25 PM
Yeee hawwww!!!!!!!

Thanks a million.

Moosehog1
04-01-2007, 03:39 PM
Sweet thanks.

Zonama
04-06-2007, 10:37 AM
Just played the first three missions, no combat yet but I can tell this is going to be good.

It's very clear that you've put a lot of work into this, especially with the tracks in between missions (I like the way the splash screen has the roundel partially hidden by the horizon too).

So give yourself(selves) a pat on the back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

(By the way, is the 000Player pilot supposed to look like Harrison Ford?)

Chris0382
04-06-2007, 05:18 PM
Wait till mission 13 get real high in the sky , let em pass below you, put on some war music, then turn 180 and swoop down on em big time. Must have played mission 13 at least 5 times.

P-40's my favorite plane. So stable in flight.

FuBear-109
04-06-2007, 10:33 PM
30 odd missions in loving it. great work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

timholt
04-07-2007, 12:27 AM
Bump, bump, bump, bump and bump.

Huxley_S
04-07-2007, 12:44 AM
This campaign just oozes quality.

I've only played a couple of missions but I can tell it's going to be great.

The vast numbers of ground objects aren't hitting my framerate as much as I'd feared and loading times are so far not a problem.

Clearly, hundreds of hours have gone into this.

Thanks v much! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

ViktorViktor
04-08-2007, 03:50 AM
I just made use of the optional .exe file (WSBS v1.01) to get the campaign installed. It seems to have gone well, I've only played the first 2 missions which are familiarizaltion missions. Here's some feedback, in case you're not already aware of it and some (insignificant ) questions:

1) The Flyng Tiger skins were installed in the Hawk81-A skin folder. Yet in the Flying Tiger familiarization mission (mission 2) I'm flying a Tomahawk IIB, so these skins aren't available unless one manually transfers the skins over to the Tomahawk folder.

2) The splash screen (picture of a Flying Tiger Tomahawk) used while loading an upcoming WSBS screen disappeared after the first time I exited from IL2 1946. Since then, the game uses the default Corsair screen.

3) When I go to the screen used to switch skins etc., I notice that the nationality is set to USAAF. Shouldn't it be set to NN ? (Doesn't really make a difference, skin-switching works after copying skins from Hawk81-A to Tomahawk IIB folders.)

4) Why is one variant of player skin (the one with the flying tiger on the fuselage) called a Disney version ?

XyZspineZyX
04-08-2007, 06:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
I just made use of the optional .exe file (WSBS v1.01) to get the campaign installed. It seems to have gone well, I've only played the first 2 missions which are familiarizaltion missions. Here's some feedback, in case you're not already aware of it and some (insignificant ) questions:

1) The Flyng Tiger skins were installed in the Hawk81-A skin folder. Yet in the Flying Tiger familiarization mission (mission 2) I'm flying a Tomahawk IIB, so these skins aren't available unless one manually transfers the skins over to the Tomahawk folder.

2) The splash screen (picture of a Flying Tiger Tomahawk) used while loading an upcoming WSBS screen disappeared after the first time I exited from IL2 1946. Since then, the game uses the default Corsair screen.

3) When I go to the screen used to switch skins etc., I notice that the nationality is set to USAAF. Shouldn't it be set to NN ? (Doesn't really make a difference, skin-switching works after copying skins from Hawk81-A to Tomahawk IIB folders.)

4) Why is one variant of player skin (the one with the flying tiger on the fuselage) called a Disney version ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Viktor

1) This is 100% intentional. Because of the static plane skins for the H81A-2, there was a problem in showing what the planes really looked like in 1941- the AVG didn't have the Flying Tigers decals, squadron insignia, and sharkmouths on their planes until later on. At the point in the campaign you're in now, the planes should be 'unmarked' camoflage, literally just camo with no other markings. This is just a detail that many people don't know about in the history of the AVG.

Historically, when the planes where shipped to Rangoon, they were already painted camo from the factory, in the USA. In order to make those missions visually accurate, I could not use the static H81A-2 aircraft, which show sharkmouths and flying tiger decals. They had small ID numbers on the nose, and occasionally on the fuselage under the cockpit. I couldn't justify making a new set of 50 or so skins just for those two misions, to add a few numbers. However, on the AVG skins you'll see later on, you will see some numbers on the noses, and on #74, you'll see the painted-over number under the fuselage

The solution was simple: The Tomahawk II skin shows untouched camo, for both the default flyable skin and the static aircraft skin. It wasn't a mistake, and no skins should be transferred to the Tomahawk folders http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif This was a conscious decision intended to both preserve historical accuracy concerning how the AVG planes looked at various times, as well as an attempt to keep skins numbers down, especially when they are only used twice. If you look at the missions again, the static planes all look like that:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/tommyhawk.jpg

It wasn't until a short time later that the AVG decided on the sharkmouth and squadron insignia, and it wasn't until much later that the Tiger decals went on the planes, which I'll address in point #4. In Rangoon mission #3, the planes have what is much closer to the expected paintjobs, I assure you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif In those first two Rangoon missions, I specify no skins; you should use defaults for those/ But rest assured, this was not an error, this was just attention to a small historical detail. You've sepnt a lot of effort putting the skins into the TomahawkIIB folder, and unfortunately, it was wated effort in repsonse to an assumed error http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The skins should not be in the Tomahawk IIB folder, they are not used in any other missons. They were used in the first two missions like that because of the camo paint scheme only. If there was a way to change the skin on the static H81A-2 I would have used a correct skin, but I can't do it. There's no need to go second-guessing where skins go, I have you covered http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I went to a lot of trouble because of skins and how they looked. I discarded about 30 finished skins half-way through this project, and re-made them all. If you look at the skins for the AVG H81A-2s, the camo schemes at first glance tlook all alike. I had taken great pains to make each a unique paint scheme.

Then I found out that each plane was painted with stencils made from rubber mats, giving the planes a very uniform appearance. The only real difference was on the tails. So I re-made the skins, and made little minor differences in a few camo schemes, to simulate a rubber mat that was loose or wrinkled, or slightly mis-aligned. Incidentally, if you were to look up the serial numbers on the tails, they are all correct and traceable to individial fuselage number and pilot or pilots assigned to it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

2) Three or four people have seen this. I am at a loss to explain it. My suggestion is to start a new, unrelated carrer then immediately exit it, go back to the pilot carrer screen and re-select your wsbs campaign in progress and see if that works. There is some sort of cache that apparently 'stores' the stock splash. I have gotten feedback that this has even happened to a player, but the next time he played the next day, the custom splash was back. It's odd, you'd think it would either work, or not! I have even gotten feedback that my medals are just white boxes, which is equally confusing, unless the medals were somehow corrupted in downlaod. If the cause of these issues are found, be sure I will patch it. If anyone knows what's going on here, please tell me! My playtesters reported nothing of the sort and I am bewildered by this

3) The nationality you see on that screen isn't the nationality you selected to play the campaign, it is the literal nationality of the squadron I force the player to be in- 3rd Squadron, AVG is listed under the "US" squadrons in the FMB, and that's the cause of that weird issue

4) The Disney version exists because of the Flying Tiger decal that was placed on many AVG aircraft. These decals were not originally part of the AVG's "insignia" and in fact they were not given the nickname "Flying Tigers" until some time after their arrival in Burma. So in January of 1942, for example, there were no AVG planes with the Flying Tiger insignia on the fuselage. In July of 1942, there were many adorned with it, but not all. The campaign will take you through those events http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The name "000PlayerDisney" is because of that Flying Tiger decal- it was produced by Disney Studios, and designed by a man named Roy Williams, who is credited on each skin the Tiger is on. Incidentally, the Tiger decal and the blue "V for Victory" decal were seperate and the V was not always used, although I put it on the player's plane. The pilots initially were not overly thrilled about the Tiger decals

I am much more concerned about the splash and the medals though. Those are real problems

XyZspineZyX
04-08-2007, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zonama:
(By the way, is the 000Player pilot supposed to look like Harrison Ford?) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well actually it's his photograph http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I tossed a famous person's face on there for a little surprise, and to show the player that he or she could easily use a photo of themselves

The pilot skins themselves are by Elephant, who does a brilliant job. if you look closely on the Player's pilot skin, you'll see a red Angel on the left jacket front. He made the pilot skins from photos of AVG pilots taken in '42. Great stuff!

Chris0382
04-08-2007, 07:33 AM
Is there anyway to change to intro music. I would be willing to track down a high quality sound file of the intro music and switch it if possible.

By the way, the campaign is great and lots of fun.

Thanks

VF-17_DWolf
04-08-2007, 03:42 PM
First BBB462cid, you did a great job on this Campaign, looking forward to your next one.
I'm having a great time flying the AVG Campaign. The immersion factor is second to none.

2nd, how did you get the AVG skins on those static P-40's? I would like to do this with some of the Early Corsairs(The Corsair I's) and put some Marine or Navy skins on the Static Corsairs on the Airfield.

Again Thank You for the Great AVG Campaign.

Best Regards,
VF-17_DWolf

XyZspineZyX
04-08-2007, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VF-17_DWolf:
First BBB462cid, you did a great job on this Campaign, looking forward to your next one.
I'm having a great time flying the AVG Campaign. The immersion factor is second to none.

2nd, how did you get the AVG skins on those static P-40's? I would like to do this with some of the Early Corsairs(The Corsair I's) and put some Marine or Navy skins on the Static Corsairs on the Airfield.

Again Thank You for the Great AVG Campaign.

Best Regards,
VF-17_DWolf </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm glad you like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There are no custom skins on the static planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's a trick. That's the standard default static skin for the static TomahawkIIB. I used deception to make it seem as if they had the right camo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-08-2007, 05:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris0382:
Is there anyway to change to intro music. I would be willing to track down a high quality sound file of the intro music and switch it if possible.

By the way, the campaign is great and lots of fun.

Thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All you need to do is make a .wav file and name it "NN", then replace my .wav file

very large ones may cause trouble, though

Chris0382
04-08-2007, 05:48 PM
Do you have a name for that anthem or song. Ill see what I can find.

XyZspineZyX
04-08-2007, 08:08 PM
Hmmm? You are asking about changing my menu music to the intro music, are you not?

Chris0382
04-08-2007, 08:19 PM
Actually the the music that plays when the mission is loading. Ide like to hear the words to the song as it sounds like a harmonized sorta mumble. I wouldnt doubt the song is so old that a quality one may not be available.

XyZspineZyX
04-08-2007, 08:21 PM
Ah! It's in Chinese. I forget where I found it, but I think it is the "Great Road Song"

Chris0382
04-08-2007, 08:37 PM
Ah thanks Ill do some googling.

ViktorViktor
04-09-2007, 12:27 AM
Thanx for answering, I can see that this campaign is going to be a great experience! Note: The mission briefing for the 2nd mission (the first mission with Curtiss fighters) recommends use of the 000player skin, which isn't possible without fiddling with the skin folders, so this must be a typo.

FlatSpinMan
04-09-2007, 07:07 AM
ViktorViktor I think that may refer to the pilot skin for the player. That and the player's aircraft are labelled the same I think.

ViktorViktor
04-10-2007, 01:22 AM
DOH !!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-10-2007, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
Thanx for answering, I can see that this campaign is going to be a great experience! Note: The mission briefing for the 2nd mission (the first mission with Curtiss fighters) recommends use of the 000player skin, which isn't possible without fiddling with the skin folders, so this must be a typo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's no typo, you mis-read the briefing. The aircraft skins in the first two Rangoon missions are supposed to be "Default", and this is 100% on purpose

In the very first Rangoon mission, I make mention that there is a skin for the pilot that the player may wish to use. There are no notes for skins in the first two Rangoon missions, because the player should not use any skins, but instead allow the defaults

In the third Rangoon mission, at the end of the briefing, you will see at the end of the text a note that looks like this:

**Player should select "000Player" as skin**

That's your aircraft skin. I thought it would be redundant and un-necessary to point out it was the aircraft skin

It's very simple:

The pilot skin you may wish to use is named "000Player". The aircraft skin needed for that mission is named "000Player". They are named this way so they are easy to find. The various skins needed for the Player's plane have similar names for ease of remembering the skin you need. The pilot skin is named similarly to aid in remembering which skin to use for the pilot.

Later on, you will be asked to apply a skin called "000PlayerDisney" for that plane, and also you'll be asked to use a skin named "000Player" for the P-40E.

It is not my intention to have the player swapping pilot skins all the time. That's why I mention right near the beginning: "this is the pilot skin you might like to use". But at the end of every briefing in which a skin is needed, you will be directed as to which skin to choose, at the end of the briefing, in the section that is segregated by asterisks, such as:

**Player should select "000PlayerDisney" as skin**

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The planes the AVG got were not painted in the paint schemes that they arre known for from the factory. When they first got them and first flew them, they were just camo. No fuselage bands, no Chinese roundels, no sharkmouths, no Leaping Tigers. Trust me, I'll tell you when to use skins for the planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ViktorViktor
04-11-2007, 04:05 AM
Well, I hope the pilot skins (that is the flying outfits) used by the real AVG pilots (when they flew unmarked planes) had some sort identification on them.

Wouldn't do to get lynched by the locals after you bailed out / force landed cuz your plane lacked Chinese insignia !
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-11-2007, 05:08 AM
I don't know what you mean... The two missions in which the player and the entire Group has no markings on the plane are not in China they are in Burma, and there was no war in Burma at the time

When you play more missions in the campaign, you will be introduced to the Blood Chit. This was worn on the back of the jacket as identification and is actually in Chinese, explaining that the wearer is a Foriegn National fighting for China, and should be helped by Chinese civilians and Military, and it is obscured by the parachute. Later on, it was put inside the jacket to avoid identification by potential Japanese snipers, and is naturally not visible

VF-17_DWolf
04-11-2007, 11:49 AM
I just downloaded the Maps you made for the AVG Campaign from the web site you have posted for the download. I just want to tell you they look terrific. You relly did a great job on this Campaign. Thank You for all your hard work.

VF-17_DWolf

VF-17_BOOM
04-11-2007, 08:01 PM
Thank You very much Sir,This is a fantastic piece of work!!!!I downloaded last night[been sneaking away with SHIV]anyway I played just 2 missions late last night http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif.....the immersion factor is amazing!!!!All day at work I played that [menu music]in my head!!!and couldn't wait to fly again!!

ViktorViktor
04-12-2007, 12:30 AM
Ditto here! I'm thru w/ mission 8.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

FuBear-109
04-12-2007, 05:44 AM
All Done !! Great Piece of work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif. An interesting New theatre of war for me, Burma & China . Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-12-2007, 09:38 AM
I'm glad you're all enjoying it

ViktorViktor
04-13-2007, 01:31 AM
I have some questions about the historical backdrop to the campaign.

1) Why are there AVG squadrons operating out of Burma when the AVG is funded by and is fighting for China ? (And they got there before Burma got officially involved in the war. Sounds strange.)

2) I assume Burma and Japan declared war on each other by the campaign's 3rd mission. Is this right ? But it still sounds strange that the AVG is fighting to defend Rangoon, Burma from Japanese bombing attacks. What am I missing here?

3) I looked at some of the aircraft skins and see that many have the pilots name stenciled under canopy. Nicely done. I also saw that one of the ac skins did not have a flying tiger on the fuselage, but a cowboy hat motiff. Will we eventually find out who this is ?

By the way, I think the reason I've been so confused about aircraft skins and pilot skins is that on the IL2 'Aircraft Customisation' menu, these files are not labeled as aircraft skins and pilot skins. There is a box for 'Skin' (aircraft file) and a box for 'Pilot' (pilot file). So when you wrote about pilot skins, to my way of thinking you were referring to aircraft files that I, the player, used.

Can't wait for my next chance to fly.