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Bearcat99
07-13-2006, 07:57 PM
Joint Operations Virtual Flight School (http://www.joint-ops.com/)

What a great site!! I remember when it was first put out there as a concept by Lt. Davis.... but I had no idea it had taken off so well....

WELL DONE!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Added to the Essentials list....

Choctaw111
07-13-2006, 08:36 PM
Thanks for the link Bearcat. I put the shortcut on my desktop.

bird_brain
07-13-2006, 08:50 PM
You're not the only one BC... I just enrolled. That looks very cool. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

T_O_A_D
07-13-2006, 09:04 PM
Nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Yeh me too.

scaredycat1
07-13-2006, 09:27 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, Bearcat!

WWMaxGunz
07-13-2006, 10:09 PM
I remember back in 99 noticing that maybe 90% or more of the people who had EAW never even
noticed the Flight School section of that CD. It is good but limited to what applies in
EAW which is still a lot! It does not access through EAW so you don't need to have EAW
installed to use it. Lotsa good combat flying moves, maybe worth the price of it on EBay
or Amazon.

Stackhouse25th
07-13-2006, 10:17 PM
lol, im sure they will have their hands full in less than a week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-HH-Quazi
07-13-2006, 11:36 PM
The more the merrier. Last IL-2 BFS class for both the European and North American classes had only 4 cadets each. We are set up to handle 8 to 10 per class. Does run into a little longer class times, but, it sure does make things alot more interesting no doubt.

MEPS for the Aug BFS classes is going to be held on July 30th, with the first BFS class being held on the following Wednesday. Excluding weekends, we have classes every other evening. Depending on your schedule, there are two classes to choose from. The Euro class starts at 3PM EST, and the NA class starts at 8PM EST. Classes generally last 3 hours. Eight consectutive every other evening classes will bring you to your graduation class and a load of fun. Afterwards, the advanced classes are held only one time per week on Saturday early afternoons or early evenings, and generally last from four to six weeks each. Each class is a pre-requisite for the next.

BFS is really the only intensely time consuming commitment. After BFS are the advanced courses, along with specialized training for the aircraft of your choice and the ability to participate in any group training class you wish to. You are also awarded points, medals and ribbons as you go along accumulating class time and extra training, with the opportunity to take advantage of a Student Leadership Training position as I have, given you have the time and interest to commit yourself too.

Seperate from any squadron affiliation you may have outside of JO, depending on the ac you choose to associate your name with, after BFS graduation you will be assigned to your respective JO squadron. Each squadron is handled by either an XO or CO student leader and generally participates in the JO CTE's (Combat Training Exercises) that are held quarterly, four times a year, Allies vs Axis. These execises encompass each squadrons expertise for each side whether it be ground pounding, escorting, and cap defense and includes all squadrons from each side of the ball working together to win the scenario give by the JO staff and board. These are a hoot!

JO has become a part of my virtual flying time and I do enjoy it tremendously. I am the XO of the 71st Protectors which flies the P-38's and P-39's mainly in a ground and cap support role during the CTE's. I am also one of the instructors of the JO IL-2 BFS NA class. I had flown this sim for nearly three years before entering BFS, thinking of BFS as just a class I needed to complete in order to get more advance classes and teaching under my belt, not thinking I would have much more to learn. Man was I wrong. BFS has something for everyone, from the beginner to the experienced IL-2 virtual flyer.

So if anyone can take advantage of this free school, you will all be better virtual pilots for it, even if you stop taking classes after BFS. So fill out the application for the next IL-2 BFS class and look forward to it. You will have a blast!

V194PT_Quazi_Inst. North American Class

RAF92_Moser
07-13-2006, 11:46 PM
They had made a visit to Com-Central plenty of times, I think they still have a forum there.

I450IVex
07-14-2006, 01:33 AM
so let me get this straight, you can still be a member of a squadron and do the training?

if so, any aussie time zone training going on?

Flying_Nutcase
07-14-2006, 02:37 AM
I saw this ages ago. Thx for the reminder!

If the times work out, I'll give it a shot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

-HH-Quazi
07-14-2006, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by I450IVex:
so let me get this straight, you can still be a member of a squadron and do the training?

if so, any aussie time zone training going on?

Sure. Most everyone there and already through BFS are members of squadrons outside of JO. And it is not mandatory that you participate in the JO squadron designation you receive after BFS. Depending on your ac of choice, you will be a member of a JO squadron for JO activities only that you want to participate in. If after BFS you do not make your presence known as an active member of that squadron, or do not participate any further in any JO classes\training sessions, after a while, you will be put on the inactive list until such time that you decide to participate further.

As far as a time for our Aussie m8s, I have been in communication with a m8 that is responsible for all IL-2 BFS activities at JO. He has made an inquiry to the man in charge (Fifties) about having an IL-2 BFS class for a time zone condusive for everyone from the West Coast US to our m8s downunder. I have stepped up to be responsible for these classes if we can get them approved. The verdict is still out. I am meeting with Fifties tomorrow. I will bring this up and let him know that I believe there are m8s in those time zones west of CST that are being left out because of where they live. It would help alot if there are m8s here in those time zones that would like to participate, if they could email JO and express an interest in an IL-2 BFS class to accomodate their time zone(s). Maybe if he gets enough requests in, he could see his way to approving a class to accomodate these time zones in the future.

rnzoli
07-14-2006, 02:55 AM
I am really pleased to see that there is training programme outside the squad scene, actually looking at the difficulties how the squads handle their trainings (too fragmented and slow), they would also benefit from enrolling their new members there, and then only have to worry about complementing that training with the squad-specific things (role, aircraft types etc.)

I also liked the replacement of "donate money" with "buy us a beer" banner, very nice touch.

It is also excellent that Quazi explained: not just beginners, but intermediates can enroll, too. I think that's the stage where many of us slow down on the learning curve, and possibly leave after some time. This flight school can extend the enjoyment for a longer time.

Maraz_5SA
07-14-2006, 03:59 AM
So there is an established class for European time zone, too? I seem I cannot find any mention of that in the web page.

I would be interested in an European class... I am just at the point where I can fare decently in online combat, but it seems I only can make very small further progress, if any...

Maraz

hotspace
07-14-2006, 04:40 AM
Cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

blairgowrie
07-14-2006, 05:00 AM
I went through Joint Ops Basic Flight School and Intermediate with Quazi and have to say it has done wonders for my flying skills and enjoyment of FB. I still fly with them about once a week on various training missions. And of course, it is all free.

Takes a lot of time and quite intensive but well worth it. I highly recommend.

RaVe_N
07-14-2006, 06:57 AM
was a good experience I did it about a year and a half ago its better for the newer guys
But there are some nice things that help get some discipline under the belt. There is always something new to learn.

Haigotron
07-14-2006, 09:09 AM
(With Sarcasm): Of course I knew, heh who didnt?..heh...hehehehe... (nervous laughter)...

WOW THANKS A MILLION! This is soo cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

russ.nl
07-14-2006, 09:27 AM
So will there be a JO for the Europians? I've been flying for years now but I feel like I'm still missing something. It feels like my skills are getting worse instad of better.

bird_brain
07-14-2006, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
... if anyone can take advantage of this free school, you will all be better virtual pilots for it, even if you stop taking classes after BFS. So fill out the application for the next IL-2 BFS class and look forward to it. You will have a blast!

Great info Quazi. I have enrolled and I should be on the roster for the above August session. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I am set to go with Yahoo, Teamspeak, etc. but what version of FB/PF are you running. I currently have 4.05m installed, but I can run 4.04m if necessary. I assume you set up a server to do the exercises. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

-HH-Quazi
07-16-2006, 09:34 AM
As far as the Euro classes go, when you fill out the application, you can designate which class you want to take.

All of JO's activities use 4.04m. Being a school like it is, they would not make a switch to 4.05m because it is a paid addon. For those with 4.05m, there is a thread in the Community Help forum with instructions on how to set up a batch switch file to go between 4.04m & 4.05m with just a double click of the mouse. Most everyone involved with JO in advanced classes or just graduated from BFS that belong to a squad outside of JO has their game set up this way. It is easy to do. And if anyone needs a bit of one on one instruction or any of the files feel free to PM me and we can hook up on the one of the K9 Squadrons TS servers and get you squared away.

As far as hosting goes while in BFS, the instructor in charge will host the game server. As far as TS goes, JO has its' own TS server and you will be given the information needed to connect to it after you make application for IL-2 BFS in an email you will recieve from them.

I am glad to see you signed up for the Aug. class BB. And it was fun flyin with you last night. Feel free to join in on any Saturday evening that you can find the time to m8.

PBNA-Boosher
07-16-2006, 10:25 AM
Looks sweet, I might enroll, but my brand new PC seems to have problems with the site.

T_O_A_D
07-16-2006, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
For those with 4.05m, there is a thread in the Community Help forum with instructions on how to set up a batch switch file to go between 4.04m & 4.05m with just a double click of the mouse.

Do you know the link, I just spent some time and didn't find it.

-HH-Quazi
07-16-2006, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
For those with 4.05m, there is a thread in the Community Help forum with instructions on how to set up a batch switch file to go between 4.04m & 4.05m with just a double click of the mouse.

Do you know the link, I just spent some time and didn't find it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea m8. Here it is:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/143...431073834#1431073834 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/1431073834/r/1431073834#1431073834)

Right click on the batch files and select save link as. When you save, it will save as a batch file with the batch icon. Then just follow Coasties instructions.

T_O_A_D
07-17-2006, 05:55 PM
TY works like a charm, Normally I have several versions installed, but recently I decide I no longer needed it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Little did I know. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

skarden
07-17-2006, 07:49 PM
Hey guys.This JO looks like a really good place to get your skills to a higher level.
Just a quick question.
I only just discovered the awsomeness of flight sims about 3 months ago and have been playin IL-2 for 6 weeks of that.So my skills arent really what you would call well........ skills http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
My flyin isnt to bad but my gunnary is pretty horrible and i get owned a fair bit online(I have a ball though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)
So the question is should i put a bit more time in myself so i dont end up takin to much of the instructer's time or do you guys work with guys who are still pretty "fresh" to this flight sim crazyness. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

WWSensei
07-17-2006, 08:32 PM
Their Basic Flight School assumes you are very new beginner.

bird_brain
07-17-2006, 09:58 PM
Like me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

PBNA-Boosher
07-17-2006, 10:19 PM
Well, looks like I'll be resigning from them before the first lesson! I'm using 4.05m and didn't backup my 4.04m files.

bird_brain
07-17-2006, 10:26 PM
Check your PM's Boosher. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

skarden
07-18-2006, 08:39 AM
hey Bird_brain,I was just checkin out some of your missions(nice work by the way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif)I downloaded a few but couldn't get the link to the "The World's Greatest Aces Collection" to work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

could you please put a link to it here as it looks like it would be a tonne of fun to play.
cheers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

stanford-ukded
07-18-2006, 10:12 AM
Word!

Looks fantastic. I just filled out the enrolment form, but I didn't get a confirmation email or anything... I'm bang up for the August BFS if there's any spots left http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

justflyin
07-18-2006, 10:25 AM
Forgive me if I LOL at that site. Pure power trip and 3/4 more than is needed. You'd have to be pretty desperate or in a really lame squad to have to enroll there. I'm just sayin'. Sorry, but I 'll stand behind my opinion.

I could teach you how to fly this game like the pros do online in one-two easy lessons on comms and you don't have to salute your monitor every ten minutes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Bottom line, that site won't give you the true insights to becoming better at this game using the tactics, exploits and in-game settings that are being used against you daily.

You can try to fly by "rules" all day and somebody will still out turn you with flaps, trim, stick set-up and a myriad of other tips and tactics that only come from experience flying this game online.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but that is the reality of online flying.

I'm not afraid to give away the "true" secrets of this game, as that only makes me have to fly better to beat you eventually and I love a good challenge. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I find it strange that each of the enrollees, not in a squad, are JOs. lol or maybe I'm the only one who gets that joke...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

The above just my opinion of course. Your needs and mileage may vary. Good luck with that.

stanford-ukded
07-18-2006, 10:29 AM
They seem like a nicer bunch of guys than you, justflyin, so if it's ok I'll learn from them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

justflyin
07-18-2006, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
They seem like a nicer bunch of guys than you, justflyin, so if it's ok I'll learn from them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sorry, as I knew that would be met with the usual, I felt it had to be posted. Reality isn't always "nice". Again, your mileage and needs may vary. I've said my peace and will not detract further from those that wish to use this thread and that site.

russ.nl
07-18-2006, 03:05 PM
I like your post justflyin, you have good points. But as you sad it's just an opinion.

I think I will join JO when I have the time. I think I could use the basics. I'm a self made pilot but I feel like I'm missing something. Maybe the basics, maybe not. Only time will tell.

Bearcat99
07-18-2006, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by skarden:
Hey guys.This JO looks like a really good place to get your skills to a higher level.
Just a quick question.
I only just discovered the awsomeness of flight sims about 3 months ago and have been playin IL-2 for 6 weeks of that.So my skills arent really what you would call well........ skills http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
My flyin isnt to bad but my gunnary is pretty horrible and i get owned a fair bit online(I have a ball though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)
So the question is should i put a bit more time in myself so i dont end up takin to much of the instructer's time or do you guys work with guys who are still pretty "fresh" to this flight sim crazyness. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

JO will help you from what I see of the place. However private practice is always good as well.... and necessary... You can get into Harvard.. but if you dont study.... The good thing with JO is you will have someone to bounce things off of so you wont get into the habit of practicing bad habits.

I find that for strict gunnery practice... that going into a QM with unlimited ammo helps. The key is to shoot like you have limited ammo. NEVER EVER spray and pray. The thing that will let you know when you should switch to limited ammo is when you hit more often than not. Once that starts to happen then switch to limited. Pay attention to airspeed, AOA (Angle of attack) and AOT (Angle off tail) a lot of that can be explained better with Sniper's Corner.... download the following:

In Pursuit: An Online Pilot's Guide to Aerial Combat (http://web.comhem.se/%7Eu85627360/)
Neural Dreaml's Aircraft Reference Guide (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#001)
Hardball's Aircraft Viewer (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#014) an online version of the guide basically.. both are very good.
<span class="ev_code_red">U</span>ber <span class="ev_code_red">Q</span>uick <span class="ev_code_red">M </span>ission<span class="ev_code_red">G</span>enerator (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#043) - This tool will help you to create more diverse quick missions to practice with. It comes with an extensive help file and is pretty easy to use once you doit a few times.
Fraps (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#010)- A quick and easy way to measure your frames per second
IL2 Manager 5.0 (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#022) This utility will allow you to make certain adjustments within the config file.. like graphics setting etc. on a gui. While it is highly recommended that you learn where these things are in the config file, once you know that... easy and quick is the way to go. It also has a stick editor which will allow you to set up different profiles for your joystick sensitivity settings.
IL2 Stab (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#024) Similar to IL2 Manager but without the stick editor and with a Diary feature.
VAC (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#047)- Voice ActvatedCommands - This utility is very similar to SHOOT.. it allows you to interact with your PCand thus the sim with voice commands. Very usefull in coops. A bit tricky.. but a good program.
COOP Generator (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#005) - A random COOP genrator. I have yet to use it but it looks interesting.
Sniper's Corner (http://ourworld.cs.com/Abra772/SC_2_Eng.zip) a nice utility to help get the angles aspect of A2A gunnery in your head - Gunnery at AW.C (http://www.airwarfare.com/tactics/tactics_fwgunnery.htm)-A good explenation of the tool and what is does. Also this entire section at AW.C is a really good resource.

Signing up for JO wont hurt IMO. For bombing practice go into a DF server that you create... you will be the only one in it but try to take out all the enemy bases.. if you crash or get beat up by flak.. then just hit refly. One of the keys to making all this work is to pick one plane ... and stick with it until you become proficient at it.


Originally posted by justflyin:
Forgive me if I LOL at that site. Pure power trip and 3/4 more than is needed. You'd have to be pretty desperate or in a really lame squad to have to enroll there. I'm just sayin'. Sorry, but I 'll stand behind my opinion.
I could teach you how to fly this game like the pros do online in one-two easy lessons on comms and you don't have to salute your monitor every ten minutes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
Bottom line, that site won't give you the true insights to becoming better at this game using the tactics, exploits and in-game settings that are being used against you daily.
You can try to fly by "rules" all day and somebody will still out turn you with flaps, trim, stick set-up and a myriad of other tips and tactics that only come from experience flying this game online.
Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but that is the reality of online flying.
I'm not afraid to give away the "true" secrets of this game, as that only makes me have to fly better to beat you eventually and I love a good challenge. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I find it strange that each of the enrollees, not in a squad, are JOs. lol or maybe I'm the only one who gets that joke...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
The above just my opinion of course. Your needs and mileage may vary. Good luck with that.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.....

Nothing but time and practice can make you really good in this sim. However.... JO and the above advice is all good. Whether or not you become an "ace online killer" is a moot point, and dependent on what you put in. If that is what you want then you have already lost the battle. But if you want to learn and benifit from the experience of others who have walked this walk.. the JO among other sources seems to me like it is more than worth the effort.. especially if you are new to the sim. It cant hurt. Nothing beats practice.... Think of JO as a ready made coaching staff... sure.. you can go to the playground and practice your jumper till your ma calls you in for dinner... but wouldnt it be better if you had some of the bigger kids there too? Telling you what they did wrong and helping you avoid some of those pitfalls?

T_O_A_D
07-18-2006, 06:55 PM
I signed up and Bear can vouch for what kind of a pilot I am.

Looking for something I might of missed or overlooked all these years, if anything.

If I don't look, I'll never know. Curiosity may of killed the cat but he had 9 lives to play with. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

bird_brain
07-18-2006, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by justflyin:
...I could teach you how to fly this game like the pros do online in one-two easy lessons on comms and you don't have to salute your monitor every ten minutes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif...
You are the man... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I was going to post a few thoughts on your maturity level and the length of experience from which you draw such profound wisdom, but I decided it was a waste of virtual ink since most folks around here can tell all they need to know about your character from your most recent posts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

You do know you are attempting to lecture some of the folks who have been around here since this thing was a downloaded demo called IL2 Sturmovik... right? Don't be fooled by the post counts... they reset the forums about 3 years ago and alot of people changed their screen names at some point from lost passwords and such ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

bird_brain
07-18-2006, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by skarden:
hey Bird_brain,I was just checkin out some of your missions(nice work by the way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif)I downloaded a few but couldn't get the link to the "The World's Greatest Aces Collection" to work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

could you please put a link to it here as it looks like it would be a tonne of fun to play.
cheers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif
Thanks for the nice comments... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I ran out of room on my web page with all the skin files I have on there, so some of the links are out of date. You can find all my stuff at www.Mission4Today.com (http://www.Mission4Today.com) by doing a search by author. Some stuff is on other pages than the campaigns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Here is The Greatest Aces, but I haven't flown it in quite a while, so I don't know how it will work now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The World's Greatest Aces Collection (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=289)

skarden
07-18-2006, 09:46 PM
thanks bearcat for all the info and links there's some REALLY good stuff there.that "In Pursuit" is a gold mine for someone who's just startin out (as well ppl who have been playin for a while i bet)
I'v set up a couple of QM for my gunnary prac and I am gunna start tryin to do at least an hour a day till it improves my shootin(I was noticeing i was doin a bit of the old spray n pray http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif)I start the JO course i 2 weeks so hopefully it'll all help.But like you said i think patience and practice is going to be the way to do it.

I'm not really interested in the whole "Ace" thing but as long as i can shoot a few ppl down give my teammates a hand when needed and make the better guys work for their kill i'll be a happy camper.

cheers for gettin me a bit closer bearcat.you seem to be one of the better guys here to ask things as your always tryin to help ppl like me out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifAlthough i gotta admit besides the occasional idiot this is a great forum.most ppl seem to really want to help out.

before i played IL-2 I was playin Blazing angels and that forum is vicious http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif(mind you it's a pretty buggy game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif) so its a nice change to have a forum full of helpfull ppl
cheers.
p.s. thanks for the link Birdbrain I'll have a crack at some of them tonight.

-HH-Quazi
07-19-2006, 02:20 AM
Well, what I have gotten out of JO is on and above anything I have learned. I have had the chance to catch a couple of the advanced classes after BFS. And I can say my flying and fighting have improved considerably and I am sure my squadm8s and my m8s in the DD's can attest to that. Knowledge and knowing when and how to implement it is a great thing. But the most I have gotten out of JO are new friendships and meeting people from all over the world that share the same enthusiasm and love for this sim and WWII history as I do. You just kinda get along with a bunch like that, you know? Yea, we ~S~ each other as we are coming and going, but mainly out of respect for one another. We think of saying the word "salute" as a virtual handshake.

I can say, without a doubt, anyone with the desire to participate and decides to do so will most definately get something back for the time they invest, whether it be being a better virtual pilot, or expanding your friends list by a bunch.

And I believe JO would be a great first time online experience for the offliners that have put some thought into checking the online world of IL-2 out for the first time.

One thing is for sure, I am looking forward to putting some voices behind some names I have seen around here for a couple years. Just don't krak on me too hard when you hear my Tennessee drawl and slang. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

justflyin
07-19-2006, 09:01 AM
My apologies. After re-reading my post, my reality may have been a bit harsh. Making fun of the totally inept squadrons and noobs out there is almost akin to making fun of handicapped people. Not my intent.

It just makes me laugh when I see people who are trying to relive WWII vicariously through this sim or the internet, for that matter. Taking the internet or a virtual sim waaaaay too seriously is bad, m'kay?

All I kept thinking about while reading through that site is the movie "Grandma's Boy" and the team of testers. :^D

bird_brain, some of us have been around before the IL2 demo and as far back as the old Bluebyte days. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif Thank you for the comment about my character. My character is always of the utmost integrity and honor. And it will always be that way.

With no hidden agendas or need for "internet alliances", one is free to be honest about the reality of situations. I just have a bad habit of telling it like it is sometimes. I'll work on my discretion. Thanks again.

Again, sorry to bunch up everyone's panties, but if you are in a squad and not getting the proper training, move on. Not everyone can be a part of the elite online flyers that fly this game, of course, but you should at least be in a squadron, that is qualified to be one.

Ritter_Cuda
07-20-2006, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by justflyin:


Thank you for the comment about my character. My character is always of the utmost integrity and honor. And it will always be that way.

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I was going to leave this alone but just can't help myself. I find it strange theat your fist post is that you cannot win unless you "take advatage of the games bugs" then you claim to have "utmost integrity and honor" hmm can't do both in my book. As for the go join a squad commint. well some don't want to. A school is just that a school. you have only to commint to make the class you sign up for. then you can go home.

Don_X
07-20-2006, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by justflyin:
opinion.

I could teach you how to fly this game like the pros do online in one-two easy lessons on comms and you don't have to salute your monitor every ten minutes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

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The point is - You claim that you could, but you haven't.

The instructors at JO and within various squads, regularly give their time and deserve the respect they have there.

aka V210WL/:FI:_Sneaky -

bird_brain
07-20-2006, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by justflyin:
bird_brain, ... Thank you for the comment about my character...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I guess it went right over your head...

justflyin
07-21-2006, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by Ritter_Cuda:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justflyin:


Thank you for the comment about my character. My character is always of the utmost integrity and honor. And it will always be that way.

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I was going to leave this alone but just can't help myself. I find it strange theat your fist post is that you cannot win unless you "take advatage of the games bugs" then you claim to have "utmost integrity and honor" hmm can't do both in my book. As for the go join a squad commint. well some don't want to. A school is just that a school. you have only to commint to make the class you sign up for. then you can go home. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Flying the game using every ounce of what is given within the sim is exactly what every onliner who competes does. Yes, as long as they are using something that is in the sim and is available for all to use, I consider it honor and integrity. Again sorry to burst your bubble with the reality of the situation, however, my first rule of thumb when training is to explain to them exactly what they will be up against when flying against human opponents online.


Originally posted by Don_X:
The point is - You claim that you could, but you haven't.

The instructors at JO and within various squads, regularly give their time and deserve the respect they have there.

I have actually trained several online pilots. I just do it without the power trip and attention-whoring by giving them exactly what they need to compete online, not just fly around, bomb targets and play against AI, while saluting their monitor every five minutes.


Originally posted by bird_brain:
I guess it went right over your head...

Actually, what I wrote is what went over your head. I knew exactly what you meant.

Bottom line, if you want to fly online, you go to JO. If you want to fly online and win against human pilots, you'd best go somewhere else.