View Full Version : What was your first WWII Flight sims b4 IL2?

06-23-2009, 10:37 AM
Ok I dunno if anyone remembers this one, but I use to play the **** out of Hellcats over the Pacific for Macintosh, about 15 years ago. All I had was a keyboard and mouse and their were lots of things that were rather unrealistic about the game, like you could outturn zero's by utilizing your flaps.

One thing I wish Il2 had that Hellcats had was a good ranking system. In it, I would start off as an Ensign and eventually got up all the way to Captain (Never did Obtain any ranks higher than captain cuz I usually got killed in my plane before obtaining too many points and I dont even know if it was available, does anyone who played that game know if a rank above captain was available or not?)

Then several years later I wanted another WWII Flight sim years later and we found Janes WWII Flight sim. Much better than Hellcats graphics wise, but really in comparison to this sim it was still lacking some realistic features like spins and prop pitch and manually adjusting your trim.

I also liked its scoring system more though because it would tell you exactly how many allied/axis planes in total were brought down through the course of the battle and how many you individually brought down so you could deem how succesful your team was in battle. Never did online though so I have no idea how I would of done against real opponents.

Im looking forward to graduating from IL2 to BOB:SOW but Ill still probably play it for years after BOB:SOW comes out cuz Ill have to wait a long time for enough expansion packs to come out with planes I actually enjoy flying (Im more of a fan of late WWII planes than early WWII planes)

06-23-2009, 10:43 AM
My very first was Spitfire40 on C64.Battle Of Britain:Their finest hour on the Atari 1040STE and Jane´s WW2 Fighters on PC.

06-23-2009, 10:48 AM
The 1st Flightsim I played

Chuck Yeager's Air Combat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ExiuclyiE)

06-23-2009, 10:49 AM
from flight sims on the ZX Spectrum through to Janes USAF and WW2 fighters before Il2.

06-23-2009, 11:01 AM
Aces Over Europe (from Dynamix). 1995.

06-23-2009, 11:12 AM
Battle of Britian:their finest hour, on my Atari 1040ST

and then all the way down, Aces over the Pacific, Aces over Europe, European Airwar, World War 2 Fighters, CFS2 and finally IL2.

06-23-2009, 11:14 AM

MS flight simulator 1982....just big enough to reach the keyboard.
They had a mode for flying a WW1 biplane.

Then i moved on to modern video games, like topgun for NES.

I was out of the loop for a while then got back into it with Fighter Ace, but to play online costs money.
I stumbled on this game/sim and havent looked back.

06-23-2009, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by BillSwagger:

MS flight simulator 1983....just big enough to reach the keyboard. Yeah, but that's not a WWII flight sim. :P

For me the first was Lucasart's BOB: Their Finest Hour.

06-23-2009, 11:22 AM
My first WWII flight sim was EAW but I started simming much much earlier with titles such as:

Red Baron
LHX: Attack Chopper
Strike Commander
US Navy Fighter (as well as its '97 successor)

Though Red Baron was probably the very first, which I played at the age of 7 and hooked me for quite some time. It was such a blast flying through the campaign, starting out on miserable Fokker E.IIIs over to the Albatross, the DR.I and finally the D.VII - and as soon as you got yourself an ace reputation you could give your crate an individual paintjob and duel other aces!

06-23-2009, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by BillSwagger:

MS flight simulator 1982....just big enough to reach the keyboard.
They had a mode for flying a WW1 biplane.

Then i moved on to modern video games, like topgun for NES.

I was out of the loop for a while then got back into it with Fighter Ace, but to play online costs money.
I stumbled on this game/sim and havent looked back.

That was the Sopwith Camel, in finest 3D lattice, I remember that thing. It was even able to shoot! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

06-23-2009, 11:24 AM

06-23-2009, 11:37 AM
Damn so nobody knows anything about Hellcats over the Pacific?

Oh, and not really a flight sim, but I use to love playing 1942 for the NES, what a blast that was I guess that would really be my first wwii flight game although had little to do with actually flying an airplane. Could never get past mission 7 (of 24 missions)

06-23-2009, 12:03 PM
Battle of Britain: Their Finest Hour on a Amiga500 could have been the first WWII Sim that I played a lot.

Gunship on a C64 was the thing I played and played and played...

On TFH, my favorite ride was Bf110 - it had a lot of ammunition, and when using a mouse as controller, it actually turned very well...

06-23-2009, 12:06 PM
B-17 Bomber on the Intellivision. Was 1983 or so.

06-23-2009, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Trinity_Jay:
B-17 Bomber on the Intellivision. Was 1983 or so. Hmm, well I'll throw out Avalon Hill's Red Baron, back in the 70s. Also, Luftwaffe (strategic sim). :-D

06-23-2009, 12:24 PM
Janes WW2 Fighters.
Janes had really good music btw.

06-23-2009, 12:38 PM
God, hard to remember, i went through so many as a child..

Started i guess with a very old version of Microsoft Flight Simulator. It was version 2 or 3, might even be 1 since it was in the late 80's.

From there it went Chuck Yeager's sim. Followed by F-29 Retaliator (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvVCOzujl_0). Several Microprose simulators (F-18 if i remember correctly). Onto Aces Over the Pacific (IMO one of the greatest if not THE best simulator at its time and still fun to play today). After finishing with AoTP i went to AoE which i remember had a very greenish tint to its graphics which made it look UGLY but it had the Me-262 and you couldn't skip that.

Then came Janes USAF which blew my mind away. I will never forget the Kahn gatherings, we managed to get over 20 people in a mission back then. It was splendid.

From there on i played pretty much EVERY simulator out there that's available to the general public. Managed to also fly some military simulators (rather old though).

06-23-2009, 12:46 PM
BOB: Their finest hour
Chuck Yaeger's Air Combat
Jane's WWII Fighters
IL-2 series.

06-23-2009, 12:52 PM
Didn't much fly WW2 sims before IL-2, but I guess B-17 from Microprose was my #1 before it.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/...fortress/screenshots (http://www.mobygames.com/game/b-17-flying-fortress/screenshots)

Other ones I remember are;

Heroes of the 357th (1992 like the B-17);
http://www.mobygames.com/game/...he-357th/screenshots (http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/heroes-of-the-357th/screenshots)
hehe.. man those screenshots look awful http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

1942: The pacific air war (1994);
http://www.mobygames.com/game/...-air-war/screenshots (http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/1942-the-pacific-air-war/screenshots)


06-23-2009, 01:11 PM
Does combat on the Atari 2600 count?

06-23-2009, 02:02 PM
B-17 intellivision **
battlehawks:1942 **
Their finest hour BOB ***
SWOTL\Secret Weapons Of The Luftwaffe *****
Aces of the Pacific ****
Aces over Europe *****
Pacific Air War ****
Fighter Duel ***
Air warrior (ONLINE ONLY) ***
Warbirds (ONLINE ONLY) *****
Janes WWII Fighters ****
Europen Air War *****
IL2 ********
IL2 Forgotten Battles ***********

Plus a few dozen I forgott lol

06-23-2009, 02:06 PM
Aviator on the BBC Model B back in the mid 80s. You could fly a Spitfire over a wire frame landscape and shoot aliens.

06-23-2009, 02:45 PM
I guess I'm a noob, lol. CFS1.

06-23-2009, 03:00 PM
The first "sim" that I was flying was Their Finest Hour on the Amiga, but I was flying combat flight games on the Commodore back in the early 80's if that counts. As long as there have been WW2 combat flight games I have been playing them although today I feel I am more flying than playing like a couple decades ago.

06-23-2009, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by BillSwagger:

(...)They had a mode for flying a WW1 biplane.


If I remember correctly, that key was 'W'.
Pressing it showed crosshairs, and displayed a text <span class="ev_code_RED">WAR IS ON!</span>

LOL indeed!

06-23-2009, 05:23 PM
I didn't fly any WWII flight sims until European Air War came out in the late 90's. I was really big on Jet sims from way back in the C64 days.

06-23-2009, 06:10 PM
EAW of course.

Still fly it today, they have come a long way since the earlydays

06-23-2009, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Superjew1:
Damn so nobody knows anything about Hellcats over the Pacific?

I do! Except I can't remember much about the ranks. Landing and re-arming was great, as was the twin torpedo carrying hellcat!

On a mac LC, I started with:
P51 Mustang

LC 630 then 7600/200
Chuck Yeager's Air combat
F/A-18 Hornet
A-10 Attack! <- brilliant
Hellcats over the Pacific
Hellcats - Leyte Gulf

Then a large break from sims until IL2, just before 1946 came out.

06-23-2009, 06:42 PM
European Air War (EAW)
I quit playing when I upgraded my computer.
I kept getting that darn 7217 error.

I had B-17 the Mighty Eighth too.

Even though I had Red Baron I didn't find Aces of the Pacific (http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/aces-of-the-pacific.php) or Aces over Europe (http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/aces-over-europe.php) until much later.
It took me forever to learn how to land on a carrier in Aces of the Pacific even with an LSO.
An LSO was something I always thought was needed in IL-2.


06-23-2009, 07:32 PM
My first WWII sim was Warbirds 2.0... not really a sim as the offline was non existent, and I never did get it online.... but it did have a Redtail P-51B in it... The next one was CFS1 and that ws the one that really sucked me in and prepared me for IL2.. IL2 was the one that really did it for me though.

06-23-2009, 07:49 PM
Nostalgia time huh ?

Can't recall the name but a thing based around the time of Overlord flying spit's and typhoon's attacking France. If you died you continued but got a new name and dropped in rank to rookie.

For the nostalgia people check this flight sim museum out ...

1970's combat sims

1980's (gets more interesting)

1990's (now we are talking)

2000's (IL2!!!)

06-23-2009, 08:00 PM
Awesome links, WTE_Galway.

The first sim I ever played is on there:

http://www.migman.com/ref/1980.../Jet/Commodore64.htm (http://www.migman.com/ref/1980_combat/Jet/Commodore64.htm)

The only thing that game really had going for it was carrier ops, but that's about it.

I noticed that Blue Max was listed, but I can't really consider that one a sim, more an arcade game. I wasted hours on that game when I should have been doing homework or chasing girls.

06-24-2009, 12:17 AM
For WW2 sims:
European Air War
B17:II - The Mighty Eighth
IL2 Sturmovik series.
Also owned:
Rowans BoB.

Falcon 4.0

06-24-2009, 12:42 AM
Pacific Air War 1942, Wings of glory, and some other Microprose game that had only F-14. Wigs of glory was a blast, Pasific Air War was also excellent. That F-14 game was fine but did not intrest me because of jets. Oh boy those years were something http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

06-24-2009, 12:50 AM
First WWII sim:

Their Finest Hour on the Amiga


Reach for the Skies on the Amiga too.

Then a big gap for I had my first PC in 1997:

Air Warrior III
European Air War
Fighter Squadron: Screaming Demons Over Europe
Rowan's BOB

06-24-2009, 02:16 AM
One more: Out of the Sun for mac.

The compressed world was good, the ground battles were also good, but the flight models were TERRIBLE. Almost all the planes oscillated about the roll axis, constantly. Clearly they never finished tweaking it before release.

06-24-2009, 03:01 AM
I have played the usual flight sims of Amiga. But I want to mention also these:
F/A-18 Interceptor (good feel of flying)
Fighter bomber
Flight of The Intruder (quite realistic Vietnam flight sim)

Skoshi Tiger
06-24-2009, 04:46 AM
My Memory of that far back is a bit vauge but
Secret Weapons Of The Luftwaffe or Chuck Yeagers Air Combat which ever came first.

First sim I think was Elite on the Apple][+

06-24-2009, 08:51 AM
I didnt see Hellcats over the Pacific on that website at all which is too bad because I thought it was a blast getting to play back in the day.

And it wasnt torpedos that you got, it was bombs, bombs that acted like torpedos in that they could sink ships and stuff.

I read somewhere that apparently Captain was the highest rank one could obtain, so I guess I beat the game without realizing it til more than a decade later.

06-24-2009, 09:24 AM
I think most people don't remember hellcats of the pacific because IIRC it was Mac only. I remember the flight model wiping the floor with Chuck Yeager's Air Combat FM.

Others of note:
14-Fleet Defender - another excellent microprose sim, tricky-but-not-impossible carrier landings.
TFX - a bit arcadey, but kinda fun.

One of the things that I loved that has yet to be replicated in Red Baron, AotP and AoE was where you'd see progression - starting early on in the war, then seeing new types appear, and receiving new types to fly. It really made you feel part of the ebb and flow of the war, and the progression of the technology and tactics.