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mrsiCkstar
12-10-2006, 12:38 PM
183 is third in your list? dude I can't get that thing past 250kph without diving... and taking off with that thing is impossible... I just can't get it to climb. what's the secret?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mynameisroland
12-10-2006, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by mrsiCkstar:
183 is third in your list? dude I can't get that thing past 250kph without diving... and taking off with that thing is impossible... I just can't get it to climb. what's the secret?

Sounds like Tank made another winner there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Rudeljaeger
12-10-2006, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by mrsiCkstar:
183 is third in your list? dude I can't get that thing past 250kph without diving... and taking off with that thing is impossible... I just can't get it to climb. what's the secret?

Two secrets: First, no X4s. Second, very low angle of climbing. It climbs slower than the old Me262, but it reaches a higher speed.

Ahh, and a third secret, you have to start from the ground. If you use the QMB an start mid-air, then you first have to dive to gain speed and climb later again.

mrsiCkstar
12-10-2006, 02:32 PM
I haven't done much QMB with it but I've tested it in FMB always starting from the ground...

it barely rotates at the end of the long runway, and when I'm airborne it constantly wants to go nose down as if it didn't have enough lift... I did have X-4's on me if I remember correctly... I'll try without again and see how big the difference is... but you have to be able to take off with the rockets as well.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SeaNorris
12-10-2006, 02:35 PM
How fast are they compared to the Me-163.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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NonWonderDog
12-10-2006, 02:46 PM
While we're on the subject of the Ta-183--I know I have unrealistic expectations, but seeing as the Ta-183 has a T-tail... is it possible to find yourself in a deep stall in the sim? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What I mean is, there's a very real possibility that the thing would hit a point at about 40 degrees angle of attack where the elevator would be blanked out by the wings. It might even hit a trim point at high angle of attack and get stuck there, like the F-16 became famous for doing. I would expect that this kind of thing isn't modeled in the sim, but I've been surprised so many times before.

Klemm.co
12-10-2006, 03:04 PM
What also isn't modeled in the sim is that the t-tail was only used for trimming and the elevons for what they're called. I think its an engine-limitation, but it just looks strange.

Matz0r
12-11-2006, 02:28 AM
Ta-183 is very quick after a dive but simply accelerating to top speed is not an option. I tried at 7000m flying level until the engines burned out and only reached 770kph TAS.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mrsiCkstar
12-11-2006, 02:34 AM
hey Matz I saw you were hosting a 407m server last night on hyperlobby, any chance you'll do this again tonight?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Matz0r
12-12-2006, 04:28 AM
No, not yesterday.... but tonight I will http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG52Karaya-X
12-12-2006, 09:24 AM
The Ta183 to me is the single biggest disappointment in '46, it reacts wonderfully to control inputs, has 4x30mm but that all doesnt help if it simply doesnt get up to speed. In the Object View it is stated that its topspeed lies around ~950km/h, yet I havent even managed to break the 650km/h barrier in level flight.

Every other jet is cool though, especially the Heinkels which seem to be very high on the list of best jets in the addon.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG52Uther
12-12-2006, 09:29 AM
Ian Boys said that Oleg is going to look at the TA183 so maybe things will improve with 408 (Gawd am I talking about a patch already!!)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BaronUnderpants
12-12-2006, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
The Ta183 to me is the single biggest disappointment in '46, it reacts wonderfully to control inputs, has 4x30mm but that all doesnt help if it simply doesnt get up to speed. In the Object View it is stated that its topspeed lies around ~950km/h, yet I havent even managed to break the 650km/h barrier in level flight.

Every other jet is cool though, especially the Heinkels which seem to be very high on the list of best jets in the addon.


I would be suprised if u reach 950 in any of the jets in level flight. If i remember correctly 800 - 850 is absolute maximum in level flight ( He 162 ) Most jets and all the other ac explodes into a million peices at 1010 - 1110 km/h ( pretty exactly infact.)

Anyone knows what kind of altitudes that are the best for these jets? 2000 - 5000 m?

HGII_Hotshot_DK
12-12-2006, 10:36 AM
- around 5000m to 7000m.

but I don't understand how the Ta-183 is faster than the MiG-9...surely not in level flight. I've tested that.

In the in-game discription the Ta-183 is stated to be faster though. That's why I reported it as a bug, but Oleg said it's just a bad plane...

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general_kalle
12-12-2006, 11:00 AM
where do you guys play coops online??? hyper lobby? i cant seam to find anyone with all seeing eye<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Antoninus
12-12-2006, 11:34 AM
The only thing that could help the Ta-183 would be a more powerful engine, maybe the projected version of the He S 011 with 15.6 kN instead of the ~ 13 it reached in 1945. In RL the Luftwaffe would probably have choosen another design, the design II Ta-183 or Meserschmitt P.1101 for mass production but for Il-2 it's too late.



Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
While we're on the subject of the Ta-183--I know I have unrealistic expectations, but seeing as the Ta-183 has a T-tail... is it possible to find yourself in a deep stall in the sim? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


I managed to to that. Stalled in ca. 3500m in couldn't recover.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG53Frankyboy
12-12-2006, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
The Ta183 to me is the single biggest disappointment in '46, it reacts wonderfully to control inputs, has 4x30mm but that all doesnt help if it simply doesnt get up to speed. In the Object View it is stated that its topspeed lies around ~950km/h, yet I havent even managed to break the 650km/h barrier in level flight.

Every other jet is cool though, especially the Heinkels which seem to be very high on the list of best jets in the addon.


I would be suprised if u reach 950 in any of the jets in level flight. If i remember correctly 800 - 850 is absolute maximum in level flight ( He 162 ) Most jets and all the other ac explodes into a million peices at 1010 - 1110 km/h ( pretty exactly infact.)

Anyone knows what kind of altitudes that are the best for these jets? 2000 - 5000 m? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, 950 km/h TAS in 6000m are far away from 1100km/h IAS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


anyway, i have no proplem with the Ta183, its pure fantasie, so any serious FM discussion is ............ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PraetorHonoris
12-12-2006, 12:18 PM
And yet you decide to join a thread about it...

Anyway, even more strange than that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif is the choice of RRG using a design, which was most probably rejected by K.Tank in favour of another design (designation number vary in the literature). The final design was projected with a completely different tail-unit and nose, thus addressing the major flaws correctly noted at TsAGI, the flutter and bow-wave.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MEGILE
12-12-2006, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
And yet you decide to join a thread about it...



.. to tell you that the discussion is..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

silly bunny rabbit you are PH<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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HuninMunin
12-12-2006, 12:26 PM
I didn't get that.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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