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WildApes
05-04-2006, 04:38 PM
Wow what a dramatic difference. I thought I might have been a little hyper critical of the logitech joystick since it worked for me in MS2004 but in IL-2 the difference is nothing short of amazing.

With the logitech joystick I spent about 3 nights tweaking various settings just to fly and engage in combat comfortably. I plugged in my new Saitek as soon as Fedex dropped it off and immediatly set it up and fired up Il-2. Not only am I able to take off and land without using a gorilla tight grip on the joystick but I was able to shoot down three targets in one mission whereas, before, with the logitech, I had only ever shot down 2 targets total in all the missions I had ever flown.

My only issues with the saitek are
:the base gets pretty hot, the grip is a bit small, I do have somewhat large hands and my palm overhangs the grip in an uncomfortable way . The force feedback is kind of weak.

Aside from these few issues it totally annihilates the logitech joystick on every front. It was also about $20 cheaper than the logitech including overnight shipping.

Yes I am praising this joystick and I am an evil marketing person if you couldn't tell by the way I wrote this but I do not work for Saitek. This is a freebie on me because I thought they made cheapy budget products in the past but they have changed my opinion with this great joystick.

Sillius_Sodus
05-04-2006, 11:38 PM
Which Saitek stick are you referring to WildApes?

Good Hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Prop_Strike
05-05-2006, 12:30 AM
He's refering to the Saitek Cyborg Evo Force FFB stick.

I quite like it too.....except I did this to make it even better!!
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Manu-6S
05-05-2006, 05:41 AM
Thanks WildApes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You definitely convinced me to trash my Logitech stick.

Yesterday I was flying in Spitvs109 and after a kill my FF turned off and I left the dog (thanks to the G10's speed the enemy couldn't catch me) but I couldn't land no more; after the third attempt I've finally landed.

Without FF the plane was ****... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

Bye

WildApes
05-05-2006, 01:05 PM
Actually, I think I might have spoke too soon.

The Saitek stick has major problems with the rudder and y-axis. I have to increase the rudder deadzone to eliminate 20% of the full range just so it doesn't veer right. In the properties the rudder center zone is about 15-20% to the right instead of being in the center.This seems like an extremely common problem with this stick on the saitek forums.

I also have a problem with the y-axis. When I move the stick down sometimes it doesn't sense the full range and stops about half way. There is a deadzone adjustment for this as well but the stick is so loose as it is that I am not sure if this is tolerable. I guess I will give it a week like I did with the logitech.

anasteksi
05-05-2006, 02:47 PM
I) experienced same when i bought my saitek evo force to replace my old logitech force 3d. The difference between these two is HUGE. I think that all those adjust systems in saitek are bit useless but it varies between users. Everyone has different hand..(oh really?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif ) But if you are looking for FF-stick saitek is top 1 choice imo!

anasteksi
05-05-2006, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by WildApes:
Actually, I think I might have spoke too soon.

The Saitek stick has major problems with the rudder and y-axis. I have to increase the rudder deadzone to eliminate 20% of the full range just so it doesn't veer right. In the properties the rudder center zone is about 15-20% to the right instead of being in the center.This seems like an extremely common problem with this stick on the saitek forums.

I also have a problem with the y-axis. When I move the stick down sometimes it doesn't sense the full range and stops about half way. There is a deadzone adjustment for this as well but the stick is so loose as it is that I am not sure if this is tolerable. I guess I will give it a week like I did with the logitech.
Saitek has automatic calibration system and thats why it looses its center point. You have to move it around its far sides before you start to play with it. I hope you understand my bad english http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Manu-6S
05-05-2006, 03:26 PM
Oh, no problem for me; I use the rudder of my MOMO Force http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

WildApes
05-05-2006, 03:38 PM
I tried the auto calibration thing already. I deleted the calibration registry key but the rudder just naturally goes to the right.

I actually have to use the calibration software otherwise the planes will veer to the right. I'm not sure what's up with the y-axis. I might just send this back and try a CH stick. Too bad they don't make a force feedback model.

WildApes
05-05-2006, 03:40 PM
Sorry that should be deadzone software not calibration.

Prop_Strike
05-05-2006, 11:36 PM
I guess I must be one of the lucky ones.....My Evo Force has never given me any problems at all...always worked perfectly.

Although I didn't use the twist rudder for long before I got my pedals.

Send it back and try another one maybe....
Or you could just get the CH Fighter Stick; I've heard they're real goooood!(I wonder if they'll ever make one with FFB?).

leitmotiv
05-05-2006, 11:43 PM
I have both the Logitech Force 3D Pro, the Wingman Force 3D, and the Saitek evo. Exactly which Logitech are you writing about? I rate them as follows (1) Wingman Force 3D---best force feedback of the three (2) Saitek evo---like the long shafted stick---only FF stick on the market which lets you lever the stick around---all the others are like F-16 fly-by-wire handles---I think its FF is grossly inferior to the Wingman (3) Force 3D Pro---exceptionally smooth stick with almost no FF---an FF stick for those who hate FF. The Wingman acts like a fresh-caught trout in your hand and that's the kind of hammering FF I like.

anasteksi
05-06-2006, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by Prop_Strike:
I guess I must be one of the lucky ones.....My Evo Force has never given me any problems at all...always worked perfectly.

Although I didn't use the twist rudder for long before I got my pedals.

Send it back and try another one maybe....
Or you could just get the CH Fighter Stick; I've heard they're real goooood!(I wonder if they'll ever make one with FFB?). I haven't got any problems too 'cos you can't count that autocalibration system as problem. All i have to do if my stick looses it's center is to move it to its far sides and it finds it's centerpoint automatically. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif