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grognard1951
01-31-2007, 10:30 PM
I recently purchased 1946, and run it on a 3ghz Dell with 1 gig of RAM and a GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128mb of memory. The High simple setting yields a good frame rate (18 to 25fps), but I would like to change Landscape Lighting to Excellent. Currently the frame rate drops significantly (to as low as 10 to 12fps) when I try that, even after trying every suggestion out there in the way of conf.ini tweaks, etc. Can anyone with a machine similar to mine tell me whether a video card upgrade would make enough difference to allow changing Landscape Lighting to Excellent with a good frame rate? A GeForce 6200 with 256mb of memory has been suggested to me, and it is reasonably priced. Would that do the job?

grognard1951
01-31-2007, 10:30 PM
I recently purchased 1946, and run it on a 3ghz Dell with 1 gig of RAM and a GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128mb of memory. The High simple setting yields a good frame rate (18 to 25fps), but I would like to change Landscape Lighting to Excellent. Currently the frame rate drops significantly (to as low as 10 to 12fps) when I try that, even after trying every suggestion out there in the way of conf.ini tweaks, etc. Can anyone with a machine similar to mine tell me whether a video card upgrade would make enough difference to allow changing Landscape Lighting to Excellent with a good frame rate? A GeForce 6200 with 256mb of memory has been suggested to me, and it is reasonably priced. Would that do the job?

bluedragon1950
01-31-2007, 11:20 PM
It will depend on how much you want to spend. Here are some PCI Express cards that will get you flight high:

1- GeForce 7600GS 256MB: below $100.00
2- GeForce 7600GT 256MB: around $115.00
3- GeForce 7900GS 256MB: around $160

-HH-Quazi
02-01-2007, 01:09 AM
If your FX5200 is an AGP slotted card, you need to make sure you get an AGP graphics card. At this time the best AGP graphics cards are the nVidia 7900GS(hard to find in the US) or the ATI X1950Pro AGP. With that said, the lower ended priced cards like the nVidia 6800GT or Ultra and the ATI X800\850Pro\XT or XTPE will suffice nicely and are a huge bump over that FX5200 you are currently running.

The least I would get would be a nVidia 6600GT.

Xiolablu3
02-01-2007, 01:54 AM
DONT get a 6200 mate, its not a gamersa card, its the lowest of the 6xxx range and only meant for simple 3d work.

You should get at least a 6600GT, or even better a 6800GS. Newer good cards are the 7600GS which is quite cheap.

Make sure you get an AGP card if you have an AGP slot, also make sure it goes to AGP8X.

Stay away from the lowest cards in the range like the 5200 or the 6200, (possibly there is a 7200 or 7300 now) they are very poor gaming cards.

If you are going to be gaming and want to go with nvidia, then get at least a X600 series card (6600,7600 etc)

The Radeon X800 cards should be quite cheap now and are good cards also.

aethertongue
02-01-2007, 06:56 AM
I agree with the previous suggestions, particularly if you have AGP. I have (somewhere around here) an AGP 6600GT 128M and it was a screamer of a card and dirt cheap back when I bought it, so they probably almost give them away now.

I built a new system last summer and got a PCI-Express 7600GT 256M and I can play the game with basically all the graphics cranked up plus anti-aliasing, etc, turned on in the nVidia settings and it looks beautiful and runs very smooth. As listed above, that is an affordable solution if you have PCIe instead of AGP.

Stay away from the low-end cards and don't be tempted by the 256M of video RAM. One thing a lot of people don't realize is that despite the fact such cards have a lot of vRAM, they typically can not take full advantage of it, it is just a marketing gimmick. It deals with the speed of the underclocked GPU on the card and its inability to quickly swap textures and such in and out of the vRAM. Plus, your CPU would have to wait around on the slower clocked card, so the video card becomes a bottle neck; its lack of speed negates its abundance of vRAM.

A good example is when I was buying my old 6600GT, which at the time only came in the 128M flavor, there was a stock 6600 which had 256M of vRAM; the GT blew it away in benchmark tests simply because the GT was clocked much faster despite having half as much memory. So avoid the lower-end cards which are designed more for pretty desktops; if you want gaming performance, speed is king -- focus on that first, then vRAM so that you'll get a card which can take full advantage of all its features and you're not paying extra for some marketing gimmick.

Joe2L
02-01-2007, 07:34 AM
Good advice so far. Graphics card jargon can be pretty confusing. Took me a fair few hours to acquire enough knowledge to upgrade my system.

Currently I have a 6200 installed (128mb turbocache something-or-other) i got with the PC. In layman's terms it's gash. My old computer had a 5500 FX and that seemed better for running IL2.

All this is about to change since I have a XFX 7600GT 256mb Fatal1ty card arriving tomorrow.

Its just about the best card that I could afford (100) and also one that I don't have to upgrade other parts of my computer to accommodate (e.g PSU, monitor etc).

Sometimes gritting your teeth and spending just a little bit more is the best option.

Also, look for some good GPU review sites. Some I used were:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html
http://www.trustedreviews.com/index.aspx
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/

Happy hunting.
Joe

BillyTheKid_22
02-01-2007, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
DONT get a 6200 mate, its not a gamersa card, its the lowest of the 6xxx range and only meant for simple 3d work.

You should get at least a 6600GT, or even better a 6800GS. Newer good cards are the 7600GS which is quite cheap.

Make sure you get an AGP card if you have an AGP slot, also make sure it goes to AGP8X.

Stay away from the lowest cards in the range like the 5200 or the 6200, (possibly there is a 7200 or 7300 now) they are very poor gaming cards.

If you are going to be gaming and want to go with nvidia, then get at least a X600 series card (6600,7600 etc)

The Radeon X800 cards should be quite cheap now and are good cards also. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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grognard1951
02-01-2007, 06:50 PM
Thanks everyone for such quick and thorough responses! It sounds like all of you are in substantial agreement, so I'll definitely not purchase a lower-end card like the 6200, and will consider the models you recommended. Thanks again--your good advice is very much appreciated!

DrHerb
02-01-2007, 06:54 PM
you can get a radeon x1950 AGP nowadays if you look hard enuff (i just got one built by Sapphire and its a smokin vidcard) all i gtta do now is find higher end mobos which will support AGP and amd dual core or better yet, Intel core 2 duo mobo with an agp slot

grognard1951
02-03-2007, 05:50 PM
This is just to let you guys who helped me know that I picked up a PNY GeForce 7600 GS 512mb AGP card at CompUSA today for $129.99 (after rebate), and I couldn't be happier with it. I hoped it would allow me to run Landscape Lighting on Excellent, but it actually allows me to run everything on Excellent! The frame rate virtually never goes below 29fps, and routinely runs 50 to 60fps with the Excellent "simple" setting on. It even runs well with Perfect Landscape Detail if I only plan on sightseeing! I realize it's not the hottest card around, but for me I think it is a good balance between price and performance. It does what I wanted it to do and more. So thanks again for steering me in the right direction!

bluedragon1950
02-04-2007, 07:51 AM
Look at this link for nVidia Chips comparison:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/132

It's interesting to see the old card like GeForce 6800 Ultra provides adequate (and better) memory clock, memory interface, memory transfer rate and pixel clock. The question would be then why should we spend more $ for the new card?

Any expert advise or comment on this chart?

-HH-Quazi
02-04-2007, 07:58 AM
The main reason(s) for spending on the newer cards is:

1.) The ability to crank up the AA & AF without killing fr's as bad. The 6800GT's\Ultra's really take a beating when one wants to crank up the eye candy.

2.) The newer cards allow the game to be played in higher resolutions without killing fr's as bad. Especially good for those using LCD with high native resolutions. And some just like to run this sim at higher resolutions. It looks better to some.

About the only two things I can think of for reasons to buy the newer cards.

If you like 2X AA & 2X AF running at 1024X768, then the 6800GT\Ultra gets the job done fantastically.

bluedragon1950
02-04-2007, 08:34 AM
I currently have 6800 Ultra and fly 1946 on a Samsung SyncMaster 244T (24" LCD) at the resolution 1920x1200 with all setting HIGH & EXCELLENT. AA & AF setting: 4xAA and 4AF. Average FPS for on-line flying (Zeke-vs-Wildcats, Warclouds): 30 ~ 45. Perfect mode will bring my game down to 20 FPS. However, I'm just wondering why would we need perfect mode for dogfight?

My system: AMD 3200+, 2GB RAM, XP Pro

Xiolablu3
02-04-2007, 08:41 AM
Great choice of card! It should run everything on full easily.

Be sure to go into the conf.ini in your IL2 folder (open it with notepad) and change both HardwareShaders settings to

HardwareShaders = 1



See the difference in the water after that.

BigganD
02-04-2007, 09:03 AM
I was on a XFX6800GT (agp8), had no problems with il2 46 with perfect on. Had AA 4x and AF 8x, settings Quality.
But I just bought an ATI sapphire X1950PRO toghter with a new powersupply, Tagan 530w.
X1950PRO needs a 480w powersupply.

Needed this card for the new games, the X1950pro is much better then the 6800GS and 7800GS (agp8x)
and its also little faster then the 7900.

If you want more performance for il2 46, get a new soundcard.. I have a soundblaster X-Fi extreme music it increased my game performance alot.

-HH-Quazi
02-04-2007, 09:19 AM
Yea, I meant to say using it with Perfect Landscape. In Excellent Landscape, crank it up baby!

@BigganD

I see you went to an ATI card from a 6800GT. Do you see any Image Quality differences between the two. Alot of m8s, myself included, like the ATI Image Quality better. For me it seems the Landscape textures are more separated & defined. What's your take m8?

BigganD
02-04-2007, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
Yea, I meant to say using it with Perfect Landscape. In Excellent Landscape, crank it up baby!

@BigganD

I see you went to an ATI card from a 6800GT. Do you see any Image Quality differences between the two. Alot of m8s, myself included, like the ATI Image Quality better. For me it seems the Landscape textures are more separated & defined. What's your take m8? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hmm.. not really, but I will check it closer.

Sergio_101
02-04-2007, 10:29 AM
Yer stuck with AGP.
So here's the list.
My choices from top to bottom, remember
shader 3.0 is NOT available on any ATI AGP cards.

Nvidia/BFG
7800 GS
6800 ULTRA
6800 GT
6800 LE

ATI
X850XT PE
X800XT
X800

All are good, but the Nvidia having the ability
to run shader 3.0 gives them the edge.

Fastest of the above is the 7800 GS.
It easily is available in the US.
On line at NewEgg.com or at Comp USA.

Sergio

BigganD
02-04-2007, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sergio_101:
Yer stuck with AGP.
So here's the list.
My choices from top to bottom, remember
shader 3.0 is NOT available on any ATI AGP cards.

Nvidia/BFG
7800 GS
6800 ULTRA
6800 GT
6800 LE

ATI
X850XT PE
X800XT
X800

All are good, but the Nvidia having the ability
to run shader 3.0 gives them the edge.

Fastest of the above is the 7800 GS.
It easily is available in the US.
On line at NewEgg.com or at Comp USA.

Sergio </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your wrong about the Shaders for AGP ATI card,X1950pro have shader 3 http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overview.php?gpid=168&grp=2

And 7800GS is not the fastest AGP card, its X1950PRO now. http://www.itweek.co.uk/personal-computer-world/hardwar...apphire-radeon-x1950 (http://www.itweek.co.uk/personal-computer-world/hardware/2172003/review-sapphire-radeon-x1950)

JOHNRAMBO84
02-04-2007, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by grognard1951:
I recently purchased 1946, and run it on a 3ghz Dell with 1 gig of RAM and a GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128mb of memory. The High simple setting yields a good frame rate (18 to 25fps), but I would like to change Landscape Lighting to Excellent. Currently the frame rate drops significantly (to as low as 10 to 12fps) when I try that, even after trying every suggestion out there in the way of conf.ini tweaks, etc. Can anyone with a machine similar to mine tell me whether a video card upgrade would make enough difference to allow changing Landscape Lighting to Excellent with a good frame rate? A GeForce 6200 with 256mb of memory has been suggested to me, and it is reasonably priced. Would that do the job? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>On that note. whats the fps button in the game i cant find it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif