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jagdmailer
02-23-2005, 09:43 AM
What ever happened to the A-20C, several variants of the beaufighters (ie. one of the Merlin engined variant + at least one other) and the other variants of the B-25 Mitchell that were in the works ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I would like to have them even as AI as it would bring a more varied number of AI targets in the campaigns.

Jagd

p1ngu666
02-23-2005, 09:46 AM
id really like them too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

DRB_Hookech0
02-23-2005, 09:55 AM
We would all like to see a ton of stuff added to PF, but we will have to endure a incomplete sim because of various reasons. I'd like to see a funtional Guadalcannal map and Bouganvile and Vella lavella. But we are being told to shut up and take it, too bad you got screwed, wait for BOB to spend an addtional 50$ yadda....yadda.

Yes I'm bitter

EJGrOst_Caspar
02-23-2005, 12:25 PM
AFAIK .. there are sent some more different versions of A-20 to 1C a few weeks ago. Maybe we will see them some day. But only as AI ... development of cockpits where delayed cause of no interest (by Ilya) and now aren't far enough to get finished before the 3rd party modelers support ends.
Anyway ... A-20C (and maybe K) cockpit went also to 1C ... but I daubt they will finish it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

jagdmailer
02-23-2005, 12:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EJGrOst_Caspar:
AFAIK .. there are sent some more different versions of A-20 to 1C a few weeks ago. Maybe we will see them some day. But only as AI ... development of cockpits where delayed cause of no interest (by Ilya) and now aren't far enough to get finished before the 3rd party modelers support ends.
Anyway ... A-20C (and maybe K) cockpit went also to 1C ... but I daubt they will finish it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Caspar,

That is great to know about AI A-20C & A-20K. I don't really need cockpits - just need them as AI for targets variety.

Anyone else knows what happened to other variants of Beaufighter and B-25s ?

Thanks,

Jagd

AlmightyTallest
02-23-2005, 01:53 PM
From what I heard there were plans for flyable B-25 variants like the G and H. Here's my thread at Netwings on the subject.

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1300.html

From the link above Gibbage said at the time there were plans for other B-25's to be flyable from Oleg, they just needed more cockpit references, but I haven't heard anything else about it.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Hope they will make it in the sim though as flyables, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't as bitter as Hookech0 about what seems to be happening to PF.

jagdmailer
02-23-2005, 02:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
From what I heard there were plans for flyable B-25 variants like the G and H. Here's my thread at Netwings on the subject.

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1300.html

From the link above Gibbage said at the time there were plans for other B-25's to be flyable from Oleg, they just needed more cockpit references, but I haven't heard anything else about it.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Hope they will make it in the sim though as flyables, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't as bitter as Hookech0 about what seems to be happening to PF. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That looks like enough/a lot of cockpit data to me in that Netwings thread.....

Jagd

AlmightyTallest
02-23-2005, 03:13 PM
Well, thanks jagdmailer, it wasn't easy to find and took some time. I especially wanted to see at least the B-25H and solid nose strafer B-25J flyable and took the challenge of finding cockpit and other interior photos in the hopes of helping out any modelers for the planes. It's the least I could do, having no talent in making a plane myself I figure it wouldn't hurt to help give others the info they need. Also note that others helped out in providing info about the B-25 models as well.

jagdmailer
02-23-2005, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
Well, thanks jagdmailer, it wasn't easy to find and took some time. I especially wanted to see at least the B-25H and solid nose strafer B-25J flyable and took the challenge of finding cockpit and other interior photos in the hopes of helping out any modelers for the planes. It's the least I could do, having no talent in making a plane myself I figure it wouldn't hurt to help give others the info they need. Also note that others helped out in providing info about the B-25 models as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for your enthusiasm Almighty,

As for me, if they are flyable the better, but I just want a greater/more accurate variety of targets since I fly exclusively axis - most of the time Luftwaffe.

I miss the enemy AI mossie, A-20C/G/K, B-25 multiple variants.....on the Normandy map for instance as right now with BoE, it's pretty boring only to meet P-51Ds, P-47s & B-17 over Normandy. Where are P-51B & C, P-38s, spits, A-20G, B-25s and possibly the upcoming Mossie and other variants of A-20 & B-25 or even Tempest ????

Jagd

Tooz_69GIAP
02-23-2005, 04:25 PM
Don't forget Liberators and Invaders!!!

VW-IceFire
02-23-2005, 04:42 PM
Was just looking over the stats for the A-26 Invader. Now that'd be a neat plane to have as well. Essentially the same as an A-20 so no big difference just improve performance. But on the other hand, the possibility of 12 forward firing .50cals (with gunpods plus main armament) was enticing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jagdmailer
02-23-2005, 04:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Don't forget Liberators and Invaders!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Liberator over Normandy ??

Also, we do not have the A-26 invader & although I have seen early WIP screenies, I do not think we will get it for FB/AEP/PF.

Jagd

Beaufort-RAF
02-23-2005, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> there are sent some more different versions of A-20 to 1C a few weeks ago. Maybe we will see them some day. But only as AI ... development of cockpits where delayed cause of no interest (by Ilya) and now aren't far enough to get finished before the 3rd party modelers support ends.
Anyway ... A-20C (and maybe K) cockpit went also to 1C ... but I daubt they will finish it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is precisely the news I was dreading. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

jagdmailer
02-24-2005, 12:38 PM
OK we got half decent news about possible AI only A-20C & A-20K.

Now, where are the missing flyable/AI B-25s, as well as the missing variants of the Beaufighter done by Halfwit & burnin777 ?

Gone missing & were spotted hidding in an undisclosed location along with Elvis and Luthier ??

Jagd

AlmightyTallest
02-24-2005, 01:04 PM
I'd like to hear any news about this as well. Perhaps these will be in some kind of surprise addon or patch? I'd be willing to pay for more flyable aircraft in PF, especially for a B-25H and dare I dream an F4U-4 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

At any rate, I'm with you on this jagdmailer, the more flyables the better, way better I should say, but it would be nice to run into the different variants of these aircraft at the very least in offline campaigns and online as well I'd imagine even if they aren't all flyable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm looking for more variety and more variants of aircraft in the U.S. and Japanese sides for the Pacific Campaigns myself. There's a big difference between flying against a Ki-84a and a Ki-84c http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Same goes for other aircraft that have improvements in their design, even if they look the same.

jagdmailer
02-24-2005, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
I'd like to hear any news about this as well. Perhaps these will be in some kind of surprise addon or patch? I'd be willing to pay for more flyable aircraft in PF, especially for a B-25H and dare I dream an F4U-4 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

At any rate, I'm with you on this jagdmailer, the more flyables the better, way better I should say, but it would be nice to run into the different variants of these aircraft at the very least in offline campaigns and online as well I'd imagine even if they aren't all flyable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm looking for more variety and more variants of aircraft in the U.S. and Japanese sides for the Pacific Campaigns myself. There's a big difference between flying against a Ki-84a and a Ki-84c http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Same goes for other aircraft that have improvements in their design, even if they look the same. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, we all know about Vought stuff....not going to happen.

North American should be OK ? Where are the other Beaufighters variants ?????

Jagd

Blackjack04
02-24-2005, 01:54 PM
I agree with others comments that there are a number of missing flyable aircraft, but at the same time we do have plenty to work with. I would like to see more maps, in particular, Bouganville, Solomons and all of New Guinea. At least then the mission buildedrs would be able to create missions in these areas. If a decent patch was released I would also gladly part with some bucks to support Oleg.

Blackjack

AlmightyTallest
02-24-2005, 02:36 PM
Hehe, that's why I said dare I dream of an F4U-4 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I know apparently it has a snowballs chance in hades, just don't understand it.

I have no idea about North American holding anything back. We already have AI variants of the B-25's would be a real kick in the pants to get them as flyables though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Here's to hoping.

Blackjack, you got a good point as well, it would be nice to have more maps to work with as well for campaigns and scenarios.

jagdmailer
02-24-2005, 03:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
Hehe, that's why I said dare I dream of an F4U-4 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I know apparently it has a snowballs chance in hades, just don't understand it.

I have no idea about North American holding anything back. We already have AI variants of the B-25's would be a real kick in the pants to get them as flyables though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Here's to hoping.

Blackjack, you got a good point as well, it would be nice to have more maps to work with as well for campaigns and scenarios. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well,

We have B-25C & B-25J in the game now both flyable I assume as I have never flown them. I was under the impression that there was a B-25G and a B-25H in the works ? Even if we get those as AI, that would make me happy.

Jagd

Beaufort-RAF
02-24-2005, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
We have B-25C & B-25J in the game now both flyable I assume as I have never flown them. I was under the impression that there was a B-25G and a B-25H in the works ? Even if we get those as AI, that would make me happy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The B25G & H are already in the game as AI. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But you won't see them over Normandy or the Ardennes as they didn't serve there.

The Americans didn't use the B25 over Western Europe, only the RAF did and those were glazed nosed C's and J's, not the solid nosed versions.

The US B25's saw action against the Germans in the Med.

jagdmailer
02-24-2005, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beaufort-RAF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
We have B-25C & B-25J in the game now both flyable I assume as I have never flown them. I was under the impression that there was a B-25G and a B-25H in the works ? Even if we get those as AI, that would make me happy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The B25G & H are _already_ in the game as AI. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But you won't see them over Normandy or the Ardennes as they didn't serve there.

The Americans didn't use the B25 over Western Europe, only the RAF did and those were glazed nosed C's and J's, not the solid nosed versions.

The US B25's saw action against the Germans in the Med. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do not know much about Allied stuff....thanks for correcting me ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

jagdmailer
02-24-2005, 04:29 PM
What about the European Western theatre Beaufighters then ? Was a couple more variants done by Halfwit and burnin777avg ??

I recall at least the night fighting Merlin engined + another variant that has not made it yet to FB/AEP/PF. Where are they ?

Jagd

p1ngu666
02-24-2005, 05:33 PM
iirec all bue's apart from mk21 served from britain. so bay of biscay to norway, and into the atlantic, potentialy

last i heard, burning hadnt had the corrected model returned, so he could update his others to be fine in game. that was ages ago..

b25 uses engines that are the same make as used in corsair and p47 etc ?

ElAurens
02-24-2005, 06:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:

b25 uses engines that are the same make as used in corsair and p47 etc ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Negative pingu. The B 25 used the Wright R 2600 Cyclone, same as B 17. The Corsair and P 47 used the Pratt and Whitney R 2800 Twin Wasp.