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Dagaith
01-26-2005, 07:46 AM
Hi, I'm new to Il-2 and while I have played flight sims before, this one seems to be the most difficult.
It's not that I'm always shot down or can't land but I am having a lot of trouble flying the aircraft.)
Yes, it may seem silly, but I'm stalling and spinning all the time even if I don't do any complex aerobatics. Even the regular turning (rolling on one side and then using elevator to do the turn) makes the plane stall. And that is at airspeed of 280-400, my usual speed at combat (Bf 109 and 100% throttle).
I play with realistic settings, which is probably the problem here, but I wish to get used to realistic settings as it's quite hard to retrain with other settings later.
Also, I'm using keyboard to fly, no joystick here.
Thanks for any help.

Woof603
01-26-2005, 07:57 AM
Welcome, and the bad news is that you need at least a good stick, and then to really have fun add pedals and a throttle. Check out CHProducts...their stuff is first class. This is a whole new world of flight simulation. Enjoy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JG54_Arnie
01-26-2005, 07:58 AM
Take it a lot easier on the stick, stalls occur if you pull to hard.
If you think the plane stalls too easily even while you are gentle on the stick, try changing its settings to a less responsive setting.

But most important thing is to take it easy on the stick, it doesnt need much to do a nice manouvre. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And yeah, if the problems stays even when you tried different settings and such, its time for a better stick. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LuckyBoy1
01-26-2005, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Woof603:
Welcome, and the bad news is that you need at least a good stick, and then to really have fun add pedals and a throttle. Check out CHProducts...their stuff is first class. This is a whole new world of flight simulation. Enjoy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's the politically correct way to say this resonse is nonsense! Yes, I own CH products, but they are far from needed to do as you ask. Read Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users. There is a link in the Guide to Eastern Skies User Guide that will teach you how to fly. I'm having you see Luckyboy's Guide first because it will answer many questions people new to the game have.

Dagaith
01-26-2005, 08:22 AM
Thank you for replies. And that Luckyboy's Guide was really helpful. But as I can't control how much I pull the stick with my keyboard it is essential to buy a joystick? Oh well, I think I'll have to spend my savings on this one. :/

Woof603
01-26-2005, 08:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Woof603:
Welcome, and the bad news is that you need at least a good stick, and then to really have fun add pedals and a throttle. Check out CHProducts...their stuff is first class. This is a whole new world of flight simulation. Enjoy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's the politically correct way to say this resonse is nonsense! Yes, I own CH products, but they are far from needed to do as you ask. Read Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users. There is a link in the Guide to Eastern Skies User Guide that will teach you how to fly. I'm having you see Luckyboy's Guide first because it will answer many questions people new to the game have. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you having a bad morning, Lucky Boy? I was merely offering suggestions to a better enjoyment of the game.

tora-2
01-26-2005, 08:27 AM
I think you pretty much have to have a joystick of some sort and preferably a decent one to play.
Having said that, they aren't always that expensive. The Saitek X-45 is not too expensive and can be bought reconditioned I believe.
I used to use a Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner 2, and that worked too even online.

Ideally you'd want to also adjust the joystick settings the game uses, again I think this is covered in the guide.

JG54_Arnie
01-26-2005, 08:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dagaith:
Thank you for replies. And that Luckyboy's Guide was really helpful. But as I can't control how much I pull the stick with my keyboard it is essential to buy a joystick? Oh well, I think I'll have to spend my savings on this one. :/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No joystick? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nero111
01-26-2005, 08:50 AM
Yup, a joystick or Hotas is a MUST for this sim m8.

TacticalYak3
01-26-2005, 08:50 AM
Yes SOMEONE didn't read his post, eh JG54_Arnie? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

OldPepper
01-26-2005, 09:57 AM
I use a Saitek 3D Cyborg and love the thing for simming on the cheap! For 30$US you can't beat that! Sure, it's not an ideal solution, but it has all the features you need for the basics. (Twist for rudder, 6 buttons on the base, throttle, 4 weapons buttons and a hat switch, using the keyboard for everything else.)

Also, a good beginner tip I have profited by immensely is to have your elevator trim hotkeyed. Much of the time you wind up flying your aircraft using the trim keys more so than the joystick when cruising. Elevator trim is essential on take-off and landing as well.

I'd also recommend using "JoytoKey.exe" for manual hat switch views (I set my joy to key with about 70 units of movement on the hat switch for views instead of the mouse, FWIW.)

As an alternative, it would probably be far better to use the mouse for picth and roll than the keyboard. It also helps to have a 'center view' key somewhere to straighten your view out on the quick.

I'm tempted to purchase the Saitek x45 aparatus at some point. The CH stuff is pretty darn expensive.

Hope this helps a little bit.

JG54_Arnie
01-26-2005, 10:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Yes SOMEONE didn't read his post, eh JG54_Arnie? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

griego
01-26-2005, 12:20 PM
buy a saitek x45 it'll give a great sense of immersion. And if your feeling gitty then buy a set of ch pedals.

Bearcat99
01-26-2005, 02:15 PM
Try here (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/x45digjoyand1.html) first for the stick. This sim is unflyable with a keyboard... Oh you can move the plane around.... but fly the sim? Nope... it aint happening. At the link I gave you if they have any you can get a reconditioned X45 for $39 US.. a good stick at full retail $79 US... at $39 it is a steal. Welcome aboard.....

Friendly_flyer
01-26-2005, 02:34 PM
Hallo Dagaith!

As the others have allready told you, you'll need a joystick for this game. If you can nick an old one from your kid brother or borrow one from your neighbour, it will let you get an idea of the complexity of the game. When you get the hang of it, go by yourself a proper stick, a hat switch is useful, and multiple firing buttons likewise.

As for the plane always falling out of the sky: The Me 109 is a fairly difficult plane to master. Using it successfully requires experience and a fair bit of knowledge. I would strongly suggest starting out with a more forgiving machine, like a Hurricane or one of the LaGGs.

Dagaith
01-26-2005, 09:13 PM
Ok, you convinced me. Going to buy a joystick then. It is probably worth it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

civildog
01-26-2005, 10:26 PM
A good stick from Saitek is the Cyborg EVO...it costs less than a new X-45 or 52 if you are on a budget. It has 6 fire switches, two shift buttons, 4 other buttons, and a throttle control. It's also a twisty-stick so you can have rudder control without expensive pedals. All these are programmable through either the software it comes with, or through IL2's setup.

Here's a link so you can see it:
www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/cyborg_evo.htm (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/cyborg_evo.htm)

Mine was 35.00 US dollars. So far it's the best I've ever owned since my much-mourned Thrustmaster died. So, if you don't have a lot of money, want basic throttle and pedal controls in a joystick that's also programmable...I couldn't recommend this one enough.

Later on you can add a full-blown HOTAS setup, but this is a good way to get started.

AlGroover
01-27-2005, 03:25 AM
Just about any joystick on the market will work just fine. There are plenty of threads in this forum about sticks. Another good option is a 2nd hand MS Sidewinder. Very solid stick but not made anymore. Apart from that I would say avoid Logitech like........well, the plague looks a pretty good option compared to one of those.

LuckyBoy1
01-27-2005, 05:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Woof603:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Woof603:
Welcome, and the bad news is that you need at least a good stick, and then to really have fun add pedals and a throttle. Check out CHProducts...their stuff is first class. This is a whole new world of flight simulation. Enjoy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's the politically correct way to say this resonse is nonsense! Yes, I own CH products, but they are far from needed to do as you ask. Read Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users. There is a link in the Guide to Eastern Skies User Guide that will teach you how to fly. I'm having you see Luckyboy's Guide first because it will answer many questions people new to the game have. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you having a bad morning, Lucky Boy? I was merely offering suggestions to a better enjoyment of the game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My apologies here! I missed the part where he said he was flying by keyboard! Yes, a joystick is absolutely needed, but yes, while CH will be cheaper in the long run, it is far from necessary.

My apologies again Woof!

Woof603
01-27-2005, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:

My apologies here! I missed the part where he said he was flying by keyboard! Yes, a joystick is absolutely needed, but yes, while CH will be cheaper in the long run, it is far from necessary.

My apologies again Woof! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Many thanks for your gracious apology, LuckyBoy1.

MGBurrows
01-27-2005, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dagaith:
Thank you for replies. And that Luckyboy's Guide was really helpful. But as I can't control how much I pull the stick with my keyboard it is essential to buy a joystick? Oh well, I think I'll have to spend my savings on this one. :/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ye gods! You're flying with your keyboard, no wonder. The keyboard never worked for me. I actually tried flying with it in Jane's WWII Fighters after my Cyborg failed while I was unable to purchase a replacement. I completely gave-up because I decided there was no way to really control the aircraft that way due to lack of fine control.

The Saitek X45 and X52 are both excellent and reliable controllers and are not ludicrously expensive.
I used to use an X45, but I have now replaced it with the newer X52. The X45 still works fine after a couple of years worth of heavy usage. I also use CH Pro rudder pedals, but they are not necessary; the X45 and X52 both have features you can use for rudder if you can't afford the CH pedals right away.

JerryFodder
03-16-2005, 07:00 AM
You don't have to even splash out on X45 or x52. I used the Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold and it handles all that you need except a slider for trimming - this you can live with on keyboard anyway, especially as the odd aircraft like the 109 had no trim in flight anyway.

Saitek Cyborg Evo Joystick is 30 on Amazon, it's all you need, don't bother playing without such an item http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tigertalon
03-16-2005, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dagaith:
Hi, I'm new to Il-2 and while I have played flight sims before, this one seems to be the most difficult.
It's not that I'm always shot down or can't land but I am having a lot of trouble flying the aircraft.)
Yes, it may seem silly, but I'm stalling and spinning all the time even if I don't do any complex aerobatics. Even the regular turning (rolling on one side and then using elevator to do the turn) makes the plane stall. And that is at airspeed of 280-400, my usual speed at combat (Bf 109 and 100% throttle).
I play with realistic settings, which is probably the problem here, but I wish to get used to realistic settings as it's quite hard to retrain with other settings later.
Also, I'm using keyboard to fly, no joystick here.
Thanks for any help. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Dagaith, wellcome to the community.

Well, other guys said it all about the sticks, I will give you advice which planes to fly without stick. For sure you can try bombers, Tb3, B25, He111, A-20, and you can control turrets with mouse. Time for some gunnery practice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

If you really want to, then try also Il2, D3A, or any plane with BIG wings - should be possible to fly without stalling, but gain enough speed.

And, yes, buy a stick for this sim. Like driving a car without tires on wheels.