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harold x
06-10-2004, 04:28 AM
Does anyone have advice on how a P40M can outcombat a FW190-A3/109F.I am about to give up.


harold x
06-10-2004, 04:28 AM
Does anyone have advice on how a P40M can outcombat a FW190-A3/109F.I am about to give up.


06-10-2004, 05:43 AM
It's difficult to fight against a 190 a4 or a 109F as they have many advantages over a P-40. 1 trick that does work well against human opponents is to get the 190\109 into a turnfight. Against a 190 it's easy to outturn as it's not a turnfighter and you'll soon be on it's tail if it hasn't already stalled. Against a 109F it's a bit trickier as it's the best 109 in a turnfight. You have to be careful as the P-40 will stall in a turn if you're not watching what you're doing and pushing it too hard. OK, you've started a turnfight against a 109. At 300 KPH on your speedbar engage your combat flaps and continue the turn. At about 260-250 KPH engage your take-off flaps and continue turning, you'll find that you're able to keep turning down to about 220-210 KPH. The 109 pilot will find it extremely difficult to control his aircraft at this speed and will either disengage from the turn or risk stalling and a possible crash. If he disengages, then raise your flaps slowly and go chase him.
Obviously the above won't work against an experienced 109\190 drivers who knows better than to get into a turnfight anyway. But the technique above does work, I used it on Tuesday against a Squadron buddy of mine, he ended up stalling and crashing his 109F into the sea.

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06-11-2004, 08:15 AM
I would say that a P-40E flown at low altitude will easily handle an early to mid period FW-190, so long as you goad your opponent into a turn fight. I would not use a P-40M as I don't find them able to turn as well as the "E" and they seem to stall earlier.

If he obliges, simply drop combat flaps at opportune moments and you'll eventually get on his 6. Once there, squirt him a few .50's to bang him up a bit. As his performance deteriorates, you'll close on him and finish the job.

This tactic also works with most later 109's.

I don't find much use for the "M" version. I guess it's faster than the "E", but if I want speed, I'll use a P-38 or Mustang.

06-11-2004, 09:40 AM
Forget the P-40M. It's heavier and more sluggish. Use the P-40E if you can. Dive onto your opponents, spray them with your guns, and then come back around and finish them off. If you get them on the first pass, it's preferable, but not probable, as you're aiming at multiple targets at once. Give as much damage as you can to every plane in formation on that first pass, because after that if they're not hit, they can chase you. It's tough to get out of an engagement in a P-40. You can't run away in many cases. It's either win or die.

06-11-2004, 09:43 AM
My advice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif Give up!, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated, or shot down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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