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Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 02:44 AM
I wasnt sure if this was a discussion style poll or a poll poll.

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 02:44 AM
I wasnt sure if this was a discussion style poll or a poll poll.

andy276
08-03-2007, 02:47 AM
I just can't decide. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

dragfindel
08-03-2007, 02:48 AM
mr.47 is an emotionless charactar (spelling)
well alta´r is just really cool with freerunning.
like andy i can't decide.

Bartek_14
08-03-2007, 02:53 AM
I'll go with Hitman. And he's not emotionless, if you played Blood Money you should know that.

I mean- 47 is a pro, he can silently kill anybody and than walk away just like that, from the massacre.

BUT!

Altair kills IN PUBLIC, so de facto he HAS to run away, and everybody knows that it is him who killed, while nobody knows if it was 47 who did the massacre.

I vote for Hitman.

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 02:58 AM
yeah now im confused. Ac is a stealth action game, but assassins are suppose to kill without being noticed. altair isnt very good at that, so i am suspecting a contradiction here somewhere. besides hitman learned to use many weapons, even knives. altair has a wrist blade and a sword. but i guess there isnt much to choose from in the 3rd crusade http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

dragfindel
08-03-2007, 03:01 AM
i played bloodmoney yes,
he gave about his bird.
but he is not scared to kill anybody or poison somebody.
mr 47 can kill somebody with a sniper from a roof and silenty walk away altair doesn't have this equipment.

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 03:07 AM
so altair has to run away after his killings, everyone knows he did it, how can he continue killing in public? with all the wanted signs and people who whitnessed him doing it before recognises and calls for a call to arms against him. i think ac is flawed and the name a contradiction

dragfindel
08-03-2007, 03:16 AM
no maybe people are getting opressed and glad to see that somebody is getting in action. and the witnesses are one thing if you help them they will help you + how whould you do in the 3rd crusade you can't camoflage yourself with the octocamo or make a headshot with your sniper i think that ac is good in trying something new.

chikkenstorm
08-03-2007, 03:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
yeah now im confused. Ac is a stealth action game, but assassins are suppose to kill without being noticed. altair isnt very good at that, so i am suspecting a contradiction here somewhere. besides hitman learned to use many weapons, even knives. altair has a wrist blade and a sword. but i guess there isnt much to choose from in the 3rd crusade http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No, assassins did their job in public to cause fear; they could kill anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Altair is cooler because he doens't just snipe somebody; that's weak. A real assassins would do it the Altair way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dragfindel
08-03-2007, 04:06 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Bartek_14
08-03-2007, 04:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chikkenstorm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
yeah now im confused. Ac is a stealth action game, but assassins are suppose to kill without being noticed. altair isnt very good at that, so i am suspecting a contradiction here somewhere. besides hitman learned to use many weapons, even knives. altair has a wrist blade and a sword. but i guess there isnt much to choose from in the 3rd crusade http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No, assassins did their job in public to cause fear; they could kill anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Altair is cooler because he doens't just snipe somebody; that's weak. A real assassins would do it the Altair way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The real assassin would kill his crazy father, would try to be good (H2: Silent Assassin) and help the priest, and finally- 47 not only can kill with sniper rifle, but with fibre wire[garotte](sp?) too.

dragfindel
08-03-2007, 04:22 AM
i said he Can kill somebody with a sniper since altair doesn't have guns either way.
but who says altair will be evil it depends on how you play the game.

chikkenstorm
08-03-2007, 04:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bartek_14:
I mean- 47 is a pro, he can silently kill anybody and than walk away just like that, from the massacre. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>But Altair just do like " http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif" when he's running on the roofs and killing some guards. It's so easy for him and he makes fun of it.

dragfindel
08-03-2007, 04:38 AM
okay lets say we can't compare them because of they have diffrent styles of killing.

samo3000
08-03-2007, 04:57 AM
hmm..i do like hitman, n i havnt played AC yet. i think the fact in hitman is coll that you can do a whole mission anyway you want, by either killing everyone, or just the targets. yet the same is for AC..but free running is awesome. i have to say..

cant decide :P

moqqy
08-03-2007, 04:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
yeah now im confused. Ac is a stealth action game, but assassins are suppose to kill without being noticed. altair isnt very good at that, so i am suspecting a contradiction here somewhere. besides hitman learned to use many weapons, even knives. altair has a wrist blade and a sword. but i guess there isnt much to choose from in the 3rd crusade http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

nah, assassins arent supposed to kill without being noticed. it's not that altair isn't "very good at that" but he is ordered to do the kills at public

quicksilver_502
08-03-2007, 07:17 AM
there too different. 47 sneaks in and kills people quietly while altair walks u and kills them in front of people. 47 has lots of equipment advantages but would be buggered in a swordfight and can't free-run. thats because he doesn't need to. likewise altair probably would have difficulty with a gun. it's a tie.

the_assassin_07
08-03-2007, 07:18 AM
Altair.

Bartek_14
08-03-2007, 07:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by quicksilver_502:
there too different. 47 sneaks in and kills people quietly while altair walks u and kills them in front of people. 47 has lots of equipment advantages but would be buggered in a swordfight and can't free-run. thats because he doesn't need to. likewise altair probably would have difficulty with a gun. it's a tie. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I completely agree with you. It's impossible to say who is better. It is like a poll: 'What is better- vacuum or a freezer' ' We use them both and it's impossible to say what is better.

the_assassin_07
08-03-2007, 07:27 AM
True..... but I prefer Altair http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

kabura786
08-03-2007, 07:29 AM
as stated before there styles of assassination are completly different so somewhat incomparable. So I think we should instead discuss/vote for which style of assassination we like better hitmans or assassins creed personally I like al-tairs stlye its more like hardcore and its l?ke a conf?rmed kill each time while as with a gun it depends on where you hit them and also the type of gun and ammunition

Altair_92
08-03-2007, 07:29 AM
I voted altair! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

the_assassin_07
08-03-2007, 07:30 AM
Same! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bartek_14
08-03-2007, 07:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kabura786:
as stated before there styles of assassination are completly different so somewhat incomparable. So I think we should instead discuss which style of assassination we like better hitmans or assassins creed personally I like al-tairs stlye its more like hardcore and its l?ke a conf?rmed kill each time while as with a gun it depends on where you hit them and also the type of gun and ammunition </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said- 47 also uses his fibre wire[garotte], knives, katanas(H2: Silent Assassin- it was even a katana duel!), meat cleavers, screwdivers, shovels and a lot more. And they are even 110% kill. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

the_assassin_07
08-03-2007, 07:38 AM
And your point is?......

kabura786
08-03-2007, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bartek_14:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kabura786:
as stated before there styles of assassination are completly different so somewhat incomparable. So I think we should instead discuss which style of assassination we like better hitmans or assassins creed personally I like al-tairs stlye its more like hardcore and its l?ke a conf?rmed kill each time while as with a gun it depends on where you hit them and also the type of gun and ammunition </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said- 47 also uses his fibre wire[garotte], knives, katanas(H2: Silent Assassin- it was even a katana duel!), meat cleavers, screwdivers, shovels and a lot more. And they are even 110% kill. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well now taking that into consideration...hmm...makes ?t a little hard to decide actually I would still go al-ta?r though as he can free run but mr 47 has more variety/flexability with weapons but thats only cause of the t?me gap between the two im sure if al-ta?r had access to some of the stuff mr 47 had he would use them

dragfindel
08-03-2007, 08:06 AM
think of it if we whould mix them together the suplese of weapons using of mr.47 and the freerunning you got a master assassin.

the_assassin_07
08-03-2007, 08:08 AM
Yeah. There's nothing really left to say..... *looks at Z http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif*

dragfindel
08-03-2007, 08:10 AM
well iguess it can be locked i have nothing to say
since nobody can decide.

the_assassin_07
08-03-2007, 08:11 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Same.

Phreaky_McGeek
08-03-2007, 08:17 AM
I'd say Altair... but 47 has guns :\

Altair_92
08-03-2007, 08:20 AM
Oh come on! #47 lives like 300 years in the future and has guns with scopes, let alone guns at all! Hitman = Easy kills.


Altair has to be stealthy, get close to the target, kill them and then run away and climb buildings or he will die. He actually has to try hard to assassinate people!


PS: I've never played Hitman but I know who he is.

the_assassin_07
08-03-2007, 08:47 AM
You've never played Hitman!? You should.

Altair_92
08-03-2007, 08:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
You've never played Hitman!? You should. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I played a demo of #4 and it was lame. Couldnt get past bad guys even though they were dumb because they wouldnt react to any of the coins or flipped and half the time when I went out the door they didn't see me.

the_assassin_07
08-03-2007, 09:01 AM
Yeah I played that demo, and the AI were a bit cliched but it's still worth renting or buying.

TheRealSam
08-03-2007, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
Hitman = Easy kills.

PS: I've never played Hitman but I know who he is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...

If u had played it, u would know that the kills in Hitman are not easy.
Befor u strike u have to make a plan. coz without a plan u will run into too many guards and simply die befor u reach ur victim.

I think 47 is "better". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

chikkenstorm
08-03-2007, 09:22 AM
And you think Altair just runs straight to his target? He needs a better plan, since he has to come very close. 47 could snipe his target from hundred meters away...

Altair_92
08-03-2007, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chikkenstorm:
And you think Altair just runs straight to his target? He needs a better plan, since he has to come very close. 47 could snipe his target from hundred meters away... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very true. When you play Altair you have to secretly and quietly get to your target witout calling attention to yourself. Then once you assassinate, you have to run away from the scene with people in your way and surrounded by several guards at once. And sometimes you have to chase your target through the city stumbling from running into people and trying to find out which route is better.

A lot more complicated if you ask me.

Plus Altair has to climb buildings. Can #47 do that? And Altair also has to do the eagle Dive. Can #47 do that?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

dragfindel
08-03-2007, 10:09 AM
well 47 can jump from balcony to balcony with a heavy suit case http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
but freerunning is cooler

TheRealSam
08-03-2007, 10:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chikkenstorm:
And you think Altair just runs straight to his target? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where did i say that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Just explained him whats Hitman like..
btw. u cant use a rifle with a scope in every level..

Stillzero
08-03-2007, 10:15 AM
It's a matter of opinion not a matter of who's better or not.

My vote goes to Altair.

moqqy
08-03-2007, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
Oh come on! #47 lives like 300 years in the future and has guns with scopes, let alone guns at all! Hitman = Easy kills.


Altair has to be stealthy, get close to the target, kill them and then run away and climb buildings or he will die. He actually has to try hard to assassinate people!


PS: I've never played Hitman but I know who he is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

300 years? :P actually, more like 800 years.

and btw.. 47 has to do all these too "Altair has to be stealthy, get close to the target, kill them and then run away or he will die."

Altair_92
08-03-2007, 11:33 AM
But he has guns. lol


Why are you guys getting so serious *cough*stillzero*cough*....

A_Bird_Of_Prey_
08-03-2007, 11:39 AM
Altair hands down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif 47 can kill from hundreds of feet away but Altair does it infront of everyone. It takes a real man, and athlete, to stab someone and get away like that. And cus he does Pakour like me so he totally owns 47.!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chikkenstorm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
yeah now im confused. Ac is a stealth action game, but assassins are suppose to kill without being noticed. altair isnt very good at that, so i am suspecting a contradiction here somewhere. besides hitman learned to use many weapons, even knives. altair has a wrist blade and a sword. but i guess there isnt much to choose from in the 3rd crusade http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No, assassins did their job in public to cause fear; they could kill anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Altair is cooler because he doens't just snipe somebody; that's weak. A real assassins would do it the Altair way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

.. sigh.. there is an old asian proverb that goes something like this, miyamoto musashi said it, in his poem '' the way of walking alone''. never turn your back from the various ways of this world''. sniper rifles have certainly replaced bows and arrows, since they can be silenced, i could guarentee thats what a assassin today would use if he were to take out a political target today, instead of a throwing knife.

GPNM
08-03-2007, 12:23 PM
An Assassin is someone who commits a politically/idealogically motivated murder. It has nothing to do with being stealthy.

Agent 47 is technically NOT an Assassin, since he kills for money.

But, I would say 47 would woop ***.
Altair isn't a superhuman, 47 is as close as you can get without being superman. He was trained from childhood to be efficient in his kills.
Whether it's melee, with weapons, or stealth, 47 would kick Altair's ***.

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 12:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GPNM:
An Assassin is someone who commits a politically/idealogically motivated murder. It has nothing to do with being stealthy.

Agent 47 is technically NOT an Assassin, since he kills for money.

But, I would say 47 would woop ***.
Altair isn't a superhuman, 47 is as close as you can get without being superman. He was trained from childhood to be efficient in his kills.
Whether it's melee, with weapons, or stealth, 47 would kick Altair's ***. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

bartek 14, thats a weak comparison, a vacuum and a freezer have nothing in common, 47 and altair do. i would say 47 is an assasin, he assasinates who the agency wants him to do, but he also gets paid doing it, how many assasins would do their work for free? unless they are on their own.., besides 47 is a clone, altair isnt, i think. so u can genetically engineer 47 to be stronger than the average human

GPNM
08-03-2007, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GPNM:
An Assassin is someone who commits a politically/idealogically motivated murder. It has nothing to do with being stealthy.

Agent 47 is technically NOT an Assassin, since he kills for money.

But, I would say 47 would woop ***.
Altair isn't a superhuman, 47 is as close as you can get without being superman. He was trained from childhood to be efficient in his kills.
Whether it's melee, with weapons, or stealth, 47 would kick Altair's ***. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

bartek 14, thats a weak comparison, a vacuum and a freezer have nothing in common, 47 and altair do. i would say 47 is an assasin, he assasinates who the agency wants him to do, but he also gets paid doing it, how many assasins would do their work for free? unless they are on their own.., besides 47 is a clone, altair isnt, i think. so u can genetically engineer 47 to be stronger than the average human </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You missed my point.
47 is not an Assassin because he isn't politically motivated.
He kills whomever he's ordered to for the money and nothing more.

SmokehtheFirst
08-03-2007, 12:37 PM
This topic is stupid. You're on a board about Assassin's Creed, and not everyone here has played Hitman.

GPNM
08-03-2007, 12:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SmokehtheFirst:
This topic is stupid. You're on a board about Assassin's Creed, and not everyone here has played Hitman. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's a related genre...and a related game.
It's a valid topic.

moqqy
08-03-2007, 01:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
But he has guns. lol


Why are you guys getting so serious *cough*stillzero*cough*.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


So what if he has guns?:P And remember, you can choose if you want to kill with a close combat weapon in Hitman too.. And in Blood money you're almost always forced to go as close to the victim as possible.

Altair_92
08-03-2007, 02:16 PM
What I'm trying to say is. Altair's assassinating is harder than 47's because back then they didn't have such technology. It's just unfare to compare him to 47.

moqqy
08-03-2007, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
What I'm trying to say is. Altair's assassinating is harder than 47's because back then they didn't have such technology. It's just unfare to compare him to 47. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that doesnt make sense. the opposition has same technology as 47.. therefore it wasn't easier. the assassinations 47 do are much harder than those that altair does

the_assassin_07
08-03-2007, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Agent 47 is technically NOT an Assassin, since he kills for money. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He's a hitman...

Altair_92
08-03-2007, 03:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
What I'm trying to say is. Altair's assassinating is harder than 47's because back then they didn't have such technology. It's just unfare to compare him to 47. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that doesnt make sense. the opposition has same technology as 47.. therefore it wasn't easier. the assassinations 47 do are much harder than those that altair does </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently I'm not getting anywhere with you.

But guards in AC are trained while in most games like Hitman, they are like crappy terroists that are untrained or hardly trained.


End of story. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

the_assassin_07
08-03-2007, 03:57 PM
No @ moqqy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
NOW end of.

ThePheonix1030
08-03-2007, 04:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
I wasnt sure if this was a discussion style poll or a poll poll. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You should of asked who would win in a battle and give a description of the environment and what weopons they can use, like I did in my Snake vs. Altair (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/2501091665) thread...

EDIT: I thought I gave a list of what weapons they can use in that thread. I guess I didn't http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Altair_92
08-03-2007, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
No @ moqqy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
NOW end of. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 06:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by A_Bird_Of_Prey_:
Altair hands down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif 47 can kill from hundreds of feet away but Altair does it infront of everyone. It takes a real man, and athlete, to stab someone and get away like that. And cus he does Pakour like me so he totally owns 47.!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

..no

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 06:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
What I'm trying to say is. Altair's assassinating is harder than 47's because back then they didn't have such technology. It's just unfare to compare him to 47. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that doesnt make sense. the opposition has same technology as 47.. therefore it wasn't easier. the assassinations 47 do are much harder than those that altair does </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently I'm not getting anywhere with you.

But guards in AC are trained while in most games like Hitman, they are like crappy terroists that are untrained or hardly trained.

47 needs to infiltrate, wear disguises, conjour up credits to get into restricted areas, so he is not limited to the shadows, altair is, but he can do all kinds of acrobatic movements which compensate for the lack or weaponry he uses.

End of story. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

moqqy
08-03-2007, 07:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
What I'm trying to say is. Altair's assassinating is harder than 47's because back then they didn't have such technology. It's just unfare to compare him to 47. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that doesnt make sense. the opposition has same technology as 47.. therefore it wasn't easier. the assassinations 47 do are much harder than those that altair does </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently I'm not getting anywhere with you.

But guards in AC are trained while in most games like Hitman, they are like crappy terroists that are untrained or hardly trained.


End of story. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Er.. NO. The guards in Hitman : Blood money ( the newest game ) are almost all highly trained. The Secret Service, Agents, etc. The guards in Hitman are probably much better trained than the guards in AC.

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 07:19 PM
in order to get a silent assassin rating in hitman BM u have to have 100% stealth. the only people u kill are your targets, u have to escape with your suite, and no bodies, can be found, your cover cant be blown once, so its very hard, the restricted areas u have to get through while the guards just stand there and stare you down already shows they are well trained.

Altair_92
08-03-2007, 07:20 PM
Okay. I really don't care anymore. It's a dang game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 07:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
Okay. I really don't care anymore. It's a dang game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i hope u dont stir in negativity with all of your posts ma'am, im sure its not good for your reflection

Ok let's see if I can seal the deal; 47 uses, (with skill), fiber wire, kitchen knife, anasthetic, syringe, cane sword, katana sword, rifles, pistols, duel pistols (without the usual decrease in accuracy shooting one handed usually brings) --- whereas Altair uses a sword, throwing knives ( i think) and his wrist blade.. now everyone place a decision on the poll. The poll was created soley out of curiosity of what a variety of people thought.

moqqy
08-03-2007, 07:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
Okay. I really don't care anymore. It's a dang game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i hope u dont stir in negativity with all of your posts ma'am, im sure its not good for your reflection

Ok let's see if I can seal the deal; 47 uses, (with skill), fiber wire, kitchen knife, anasthetic, syringe, cane sword, katana sword, rifles, pistols, duel pistols (without the usual decrease in accuracy shooting one handed usually brings) --- whereas Altair uses a sword, throwing knives ( i think) and his wrist blade.. now everyone place a decision on the poll. The poll was created soley out of curiosity of what a variety of people thought. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ah, well altair_92 backs off when she gots proven wrong:P with the usual excuses

and altair uses two swords, at least.. we don't know all his weapons yet.. and 47 uses more weapons than that.. ordinary tools, nail guns, etc

altairiscool
08-03-2007, 08:04 PM
altair is awesome. i dont care who 47 is he cant climb like altair or possibly at all and he uses guns. now i no 47s opponents have guns to but when everyone has a sword its a lot harder being outnumbered then with guns.

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
Okay. I really don't care anymore. It's a dang game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i hope u dont stir in negativity with all of your posts ma'am, im sure its not good for your reflection

Ok let's see if I can seal the deal; 47 uses, (with skill), fiber wire, kitchen knife, anasthetic, syringe, cane sword, katana sword, rifles, pistols, duel pistols (without the usual decrease in accuracy shooting one handed usually brings) --- whereas Altair uses a sword, throwing knives ( i think) and his wrist blade.. now everyone place a decision on the poll. The poll was created soley out of curiosity of what a variety of people thought. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ah, well altair_92 backs off when she gots proven wrong:P with the usual excuses

and altair uses two swords, at least.. we don't know all his weapons yet.. and 47 uses more weapons than that.. ordinary tools, nail guns, etc </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha he uses hedge cutters, its funny, he comes up behind someone then stabs it right down the middle of the victums back neck

Death-By-Wire
08-03-2007, 08:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by altairiscool:
altair is awesome. i dont care who 47 is he cant climb like altair or possibly at all and he uses guns. now i no 47s opponents have guns to but when everyone has a sword its a lot harder being outnumbered then with guns. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol dude youre not thinking this through, so u are saying ud rather be surrounded by guys with guns than with swords? last time i checked u can run away from swords. not so sure about guns. hitman is something that could happen now or maybe is somewhere in the world, u never know. but i dont know of any holy crusade going on right now. and no iraq doesnt count as a crusade

altairiscool
08-03-2007, 09:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by altairiscool:
altair is awesome. i dont care who 47 is he cant climb like altair or possibly at all and he uses guns. now i no 47s opponents have guns to but when everyone has a sword its a lot harder being outnumbered then with guns. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol dude youre not thinking this through, so u are saying ud rather be surrounded by guys with guns than with swords? last time i checked u can run away from swords. not so sure about guns. hitman is something that could happen now or maybe is somewhere in the world, u never know. but i dont know of any holy crusade going on right now. and no iraq doesnt count as a crusade </div></BLOCKQUOTE>wtf are you talking about what is happening right now i could care less abut that and last time i checked its easier to kill people when guys are using guns if your way better then them. im saying i would rather be a master gunman surrounded by people with guns then a master swordsman surrounded by people with swords. when your outnumbered with swords it takes a lot longer to kill someone and while your pulling your sword out of some guys heart when with a gun it aint like that.

chewie1890
08-03-2007, 09:12 PM
I think that no matter how good you are with guns, you will get killed if you're surrounded by other people who have guns. Because the thing about guns is, it doesn't really take much skill to aim at a guy and shoot. I'd rather be fighting an experienced swordsman than fighting an amateur gunman, better chance of survival against the swordsman.

moqqy
08-03-2007, 09:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by altairiscool:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by altairiscool:
altair is awesome. i dont care who 47 is he cant climb like altair or possibly at all and he uses guns. now i no 47s opponents have guns to but when everyone has a sword its a lot harder being outnumbered then with guns. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol dude youre not thinking this through, so u are saying ud rather be surrounded by guys with guns than with swords? last time i checked u can run away from swords. not so sure about guns. hitman is something that could happen now or maybe is somewhere in the world, u never know. but i dont know of any holy crusade going on right now. and no iraq doesnt count as a crusade </div></BLOCKQUOTE>wtf are you talking about what is happening right now i could care less abut that and last time i checked its easier to kill people when guys are using guns if your way better then them. im saying i would rather be a master gunman surrounded by people with guns then a master swordsman surrounded by people with swords. when your outnumbered with swords it takes a lot longer to kill someone and while your pulling your sword out of some guys heart when with a gun it aint like that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol, exactly the opposite actually. if you're surrounded by guys with guns you got NO chance of survival.

altairiscool
08-03-2007, 09:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by altairiscool:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by altairiscool:
altair is awesome. i dont care who 47 is he cant climb like altair or possibly at all and he uses guns. now i no 47s opponents have guns to but when everyone has a sword its a lot harder being outnumbered then with guns. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol dude youre not thinking this through, so u are saying ud rather be surrounded by guys with guns than with swords? last time i checked u can run away from swords. not so sure about guns. hitman is something that could happen now or maybe is somewhere in the world, u never know. but i dont know of any holy crusade going on right now. and no iraq doesnt count as a crusade </div></BLOCKQUOTE>wtf are you talking about what is happening right now i could care less abut that and last time i checked its easier to kill people when guys are using guns if your way better then them. im saying i would rather be a master gunman surrounded by people with guns then a master swordsman surrounded by people with swords. when your outnumbered with swords it takes a lot longer to kill someone and while your pulling your sword out of some guys heart when with a gun it aint like that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol, exactly the opposite actually. if you're surrounded by guys with guns you got NO chance of survival. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>watever my opinion is that i would rather be surrounded by amatuer gunmen then swordsman. it also depends on the gun if it was a machine gun then i guess i would rather be surrounded be swordsman but thats about it... other then a rpg or other rocket but that aint really a gun.

Atheist2012
08-03-2007, 10:06 PM
I know for a fact that Altair has more physical skill than 47--there's no denying it. But because 47 is in a modern era, he's in a time where fighting ability is disregarded(mostly) and where killing someone is just a trigger-pull away. Altair appeals to me more because he can fight in close quarters and because of the "rogueness" of his work. On top of that, he needs to take considerable more risks to do his job--eliminating someone in front of dozens of people and then attempting to escape the authorities--as opposed to 47 who can simply lodge a bullet in someone's head in a secluded area and calmly walk away. My choice is Altair. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

moqqy
08-03-2007, 10:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atheist2012:
I know for a fact that Altair has more physical skill than 47--there's no denying it. But because 47 is in a modern era, he's in a time where fighting ability is disregarded(mostly) and where killing someone is just a trigger-pull away. Altair appeals to me more because he can fight in close quarters and because of the "rogueness" of his work. On top of that, he needs to take considerable more risks to do his job--eliminating someone in front of dozens of people and then attempting to escape the authorities--as opposed to 47 who can simply lodge a bullet in someone's head in a secluded area and calmly walk away. My choice is Altair. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you know that Altair has more physical skill?

altairiscool, okey let's think about this..
you're surrounded by 6 amateur gunmen with pistols.. you have a pistol too? you shoot at one, the other 5 immediately shoot you. game over.
you run at one..... you die before youre anywhere near the gunner.

now, youre surrounded by 6 swordmen. you run at one, kill him and run away. could work.

Atheist2012
08-03-2007, 10:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atheist2012:
I know for a fact that Altair has more physical skill than 47--there's no denying it. But because 47 is in a modern era, he's in a time where fighting ability is disregarded(mostly) and where killing someone is just a trigger-pull away. Altair appeals to me more because he can fight in close quarters and because of the "rogueness" of his work. On top of that, he needs to take considerable more risks to do his job--eliminating someone in front of dozens of people and then attempting to escape the authorities--as opposed to 47 who can simply lodge a bullet in someone's head in a secluded area and calmly walk away. My choice is Altair. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you know that Altair has more physical skill?

altairiscool, okey let's think about this..
you're surrounded by 6 amateur gunmen with pistols.. you have a pistol too? you shoot at one, the other 5 immediately shoot you. game over.
you run at one..... you die before youre anywhere near the gunner.

now, youre surrounded by 6 swordmen. you run at one, kill him and run away. could work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
47 doesn't fight much with his hands, other than head-butting some guys. By the way, Altair doesn't run away after killing one person. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

From what we've seen of 47, he has little CQC skills when compared to Altair.

SmokehtheFirst
08-03-2007, 10:28 PM
I'm aware this is a valid topic, but the outcome is most probably going to Altair (and currently is) because we're on an Assassin's Creed forum, where not nearly as many people play Hitman as want to play Assassin's Creed.

cooldude6681
08-03-2007, 10:32 PM
The only thing Alta&iuml;r has up on Agent 47 is the freerunning, everything else is pretty much equal. Alta&iuml;r FTW

moqqy
08-03-2007, 11:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atheist2012:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atheist2012:
I know for a fact that Altair has more physical skill than 47--there's no denying it. But because 47 is in a modern era, he's in a time where fighting ability is disregarded(mostly) and where killing someone is just a trigger-pull away. Altair appeals to me more because he can fight in close quarters and because of the "rogueness" of his work. On top of that, he needs to take considerable more risks to do his job--eliminating someone in front of dozens of people and then attempting to escape the authorities--as opposed to 47 who can simply lodge a bullet in someone's head in a secluded area and calmly walk away. My choice is Altair. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you know that Altair has more physical skill?

altairiscool, okey let's think about this..
you're surrounded by 6 amateur gunmen with pistols.. you have a pistol too? you shoot at one, the other 5 immediately shoot you. game over.
you run at one..... you die before youre anywhere near the gunner.

now, youre surrounded by 6 swordmen. you run at one, kill him and run away. could work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
47 doesn't fight much with his hands, other than head-butting some guys. By the way, Altair doesn't run away after killing one person. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

From what we've seen of 47, he has little CQC skills when compared to Altair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's because of animation. But 47 can disarm an armed man and then knock him out for infinite time with one punch! And 47 probably has far better CQC skills than Altair

kppgno80
08-04-2007, 12:41 AM
Hey and remember, 47 doesnt ALWAYS have to use a gun, when i played blood money, i tried making all my assassinations look like accidents http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif replacing replica WW1 gun with original, poising drinks, sabotoging BBQ pits, making chandeleers fall on guys, you know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I vote 47, he has skill in every area almost, and dont forget hes a clone from 5 diffrent crime lords, so hes like a "super human"

What is Altair and 47 went in a hand to hand fight, who would win?

the_assassin_07
08-04-2007, 01:32 AM
Hand to hand? Altair of course. I've never seen 47 in a hand to hand fight and Altair is more trained in that area, so Altair.

moqqy
08-04-2007, 02:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
Hand to hand? Altair of course. I've never seen 47 in a hand to hand fight and Altair is more trained in that area, so Altair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Definately not. 47 has been trained for over 30 years.. his only purpose was to TRAIN for all that time. 47 is a superclone who has super human strength and stamina, etc.

So 47 hands down

the_assassin_07
08-04-2007, 02:08 AM
But 47 is trained with hi-tech weaponry and fiber wire and things like that. Have you ever seen him in a hand to hand fight?

moqqy
08-04-2007, 02:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
But 47 is trained with hi-tech weaponry and fiber wire and things like that. Have you ever seen him in a hand to hand fight? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

47 is also trained in H2H combat. And yes I have seen him in a hand to hand fight.

the_assassin_07
08-04-2007, 02:28 AM
When?

chikkenstorm
08-04-2007, 03:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
47 is a superclone who has super human strength and stamina, etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Why didn't they give him invincibility? That would be even easier.
Another reason why Altair is better; he is 'just' a human (super trained, but he is) and 47 is a stupid clone with abilities to make his work easy; he's fake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Death-By-Wire
08-04-2007, 03:57 AM
hmmm, moqqy have i ever seen him in h2h.. well you do control him in a video game series, and u do have the option to do h2h so yes i have.. sorry if this comes out to be mean, but your guys's reasoning is that of a 3rd grader. hand to hand combat is not as proficient as it once was, on the streets yes, because there are many laws against using a gun in public in most states. but there are plenty of places where H2H would be dangerous, the middle east for example, last time i checked those guys are AK crazy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

samo3000
08-04-2007, 04:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
But 47 is trained with hi-tech weaponry and fiber wire and things like that. Have you ever seen him in a hand to hand fight? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yea with no weapon equiped, you grab their head, headbutt, then to solid fists to the face, kills em pretty much

the_assassin_07
08-04-2007, 04:21 AM
I remember the headbutt but not the punches.

moqqy
08-04-2007, 09:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
When? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too many times in Blood Money..


"but your guys's reasoning is that of a 3rd grader. hand to hand combat is not as proficient as it once was, on the streets yes, because there are many laws against using a gun in public in most states. but there are plenty of places where H2H would be dangerous, the middle east for example, last time i checked those guys are AK crazy "

...? that's not true. also so what if the guys in middle east are "ak crazy"

the_assassin_07
08-04-2007, 10:09 AM
Hey can I just say something about this discussion: Everyone is entitled to their own opinion . Just wanted to say...

Death-By-Wire
08-04-2007, 10:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atheist2012:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atheist2012:
I know for a fact that Altair has more physical skill than 47--there's no denying it. But because 47 is in a modern era, he's in a time where fighting ability is disregarded(mostly) and where killing someone is just a trigger-pull away. Altair appeals to me more because he can fight in close quarters and because of the "rogueness" of his work. On top of that, he needs to take considerable more risks to do his job--eliminating someone in front of dozens of people and then attempting to escape the authorities--as opposed to 47 who can simply lodge a bullet in someone's head in a secluded area and calmly walk away. My choice is Altair. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you know that Altair has more physical skill?

altairiscool, okey let's think about this..
you're surrounded by 6 amateur gunmen with pistols.. you have a pistol too? you shoot at one, the other 5 immediately shoot you. game over.
you run at one..... you die before youre anywhere near the gunner.

now, youre surrounded by 6 swordmen. you run at one, kill him and run away. could work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
47 doesn't fight much with his hands, other than head-butting some guys. By the way, Altair doesn't run away after killing one person. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

From what we've seen of 47, he has little CQC skills when compared to Altair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

this is hilarious.. how do you know? the hitman series has been out for a long time. 47 doesnt need h2h if he is a peerless marksman with pistols and rifles. AC hasnt been released yet so u only seen one or 2 fight scenes in demos of him, but is that all he knows how to do?

the_assassin_07
08-04-2007, 10:15 AM
This thread is pointless 'cos it's just gonna end up in a big fight.

dragfindel
08-04-2007, 10:17 AM
we can't compare them ffs.
one is enhanched and the other not + equipment is diffrent + diffrent era nuff said.

moqqy
08-04-2007, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atheist2012:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atheist2012:
I know for a fact that Altair has more physical skill than 47--there's no denying it. But because 47 is in a modern era, he's in a time where fighting ability is disregarded(mostly) and where killing someone is just a trigger-pull away. Altair appeals to me more because he can fight in close quarters and because of the "rogueness" of his work. On top of that, he needs to take considerable more risks to do his job--eliminating someone in front of dozens of people and then attempting to escape the authorities--as opposed to 47 who can simply lodge a bullet in someone's head in a secluded area and calmly walk away. My choice is Altair. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you know that Altair has more physical skill?

altairiscool, okey let's think about this..
you're surrounded by 6 amateur gunmen with pistols.. you have a pistol too? you shoot at one, the other 5 immediately shoot you. game over.
you run at one..... you die before youre anywhere near the gunner.

now, youre surrounded by 6 swordmen. you run at one, kill him and run away. could work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
47 doesn't fight much with his hands, other than head-butting some guys. By the way, Altair doesn't run away after killing one person. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

From what we've seen of 47, he has little CQC skills when compared to Altair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

this is hilarious.. how do you know? the hitman series has been out for a long time. 47 doesnt need h2h if he is a peerless marksman with pistols and rifles. AC hasnt been released yet so u only seen one or 2 fight scenes in demos of him, but is that all he knows how to do? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
wellllllll 47 does need H2H skills. you cant take your guns everywhere you know.. and H2H is the most effective way to kill in blood money, imo. the guards never see it coming.. you walk up close, hit them to the face with your elbow, take their gun, drop it, and punch then to the face. then finish it with a bullet to the head.

Altair_92
08-04-2007, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altair_92:
Okay. I really don't care anymore. It's a dang game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i hope u dont stir in negativity with all of your posts ma'am, im sure its not good for your reflection

Ok let's see if I can seal the deal; 47 uses, (with skill), fiber wire, kitchen knife, anasthetic, syringe, cane sword, katana sword, rifles, pistols, duel pistols (without the usual decrease in accuracy shooting one handed usually brings) --- whereas Altair uses a sword, throwing knives ( i think) and his wrist blade.. now everyone place a decision on the poll. The poll was created soley out of curiosity of what a variety of people thought. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ah, well altair_92 backs off when she gots proven wrong:P with the usual excuses

and altair uses two swords, at least.. we don't know all his weapons yet.. and 47 uses more weapons than that.. ordinary tools, nail guns, etc </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it's just a game. Now if they we're real. That would be a cool fight to see. But I truly don't care cause they are video game characters, therefor it's impossible to know.

Oh, and that's coming from someone who posted about spam and then said they did't (moqqy). lol

But who cares. I think that we should add some more people to the poll. Like Snake.


And theres really no way that I can lose because others think the same and plus they aren't real people. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

dragfindel
08-04-2007, 11:23 AM
yaaay snake
snake whould pwn altair with octocamo...
but anyway we can't compare them imo...

Altair_92
08-04-2007, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dragfindel:
yaaay snake
snake whould pwn altair with octocamo...
but anyway we can't compare them imo... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah. They aren't real plus all of the stuff that you tated in your previous post.

a-secret-threat
08-04-2007, 12:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chikkenstorm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Death-By-Wire:
yeah now im confused. Ac is a stealth action game, but assassins are suppose to kill without being noticed. altair isnt very good at that, so i am suspecting a contradiction here somewhere. besides hitman learned to use many weapons, even knives. altair has a wrist blade and a sword. but i guess there isnt much to choose from in the 3rd crusade http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No, assassins did their job in public to cause fear; they could kill anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Altair is cooler because he doens't just snipe somebody; that's weak. A real assassins would do it the Altair way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

a real assassins??? first proper english.. second if their are any assassins or hitmen that live today im pretty sure both would rather use a gun from far away if they could... thats not weak.. u try killing someone and see how weak u have to be to do it... and if u just went up to some important person and killed them (if u could even get through the body gaurds) im sure u couldnt run away then show up later in the same clothes and kill another important person.. we have the internet, telephones and cameras.. their is no way to kill another important person the same way like altair does..

Altair_92
08-04-2007, 12:33 PM
Here we go again.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Phreaky_McGeek
08-04-2007, 12:34 PM
Of all people you should not be criticizing people about using proper English http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

As dragfindel it's impossible to compare fairly. Perhaps when we get a better look at the future portion of the game, then we might have a clearer picture...

the_assassin_07
08-04-2007, 01:44 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

dragfindel
08-04-2007, 02:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phreaky_McGeek:
Of all people you should not be criticizing people about using proper English http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

As dragfindel it's impossible to compare fairly. Perhaps when we get a better look at the future portion of the game, then we might have a clearer picture... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

the_assassin_07
08-04-2007, 02:35 PM
I prefer Altair though, I know it's unfair to compare until you really get to know all about it but I just prefer Altair's style.

Shadowriderj
08-04-2007, 02:37 PM
I picked Altair because I myself like his killing style better than 47's. Altair has a new refreshing style of killing people. 47's style I have seen before in games, but this is only my humble opionion.

the_assassin_07
08-04-2007, 02:39 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif 100%

altairiscool
08-04-2007, 04:36 PM
give altair a gun and show him how to use it and he would **** 47 up the butt.

chikkenstorm
08-04-2007, 04:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by a-secret-threat:
a real assassins??? first proper english.. second if their are any assassins or hitmen that live today im pretty sure both would rather use a gun from far away if they could... thats not weak.. u try killing someone and see how weak u have to be to do it... and if u just went up to some important person and killed them (if u could even get through the body gaurds) im sure u couldnt run away then show up later in the same clothes and kill another important person.. we have the internet, telephones and cameras.. their is no way to kill another important person the same way like altair does.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
Just my fingers going to fast over the keyboard. And, btw, you are the one who needs proper English 'u' instead of 'you' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif Anyway, I don't care, but don't tell me to use proper English if you don't do it yourself.
And I really think you need to be stronger (mental or whatever it's called) to kill someone with a dagger then with a gun. A gun is just pulling a trigger, while with a sword you really need to make these cuts yourself, multiple times sometimes...

Crazymagiceye
08-05-2007, 10:55 AM
Hi, im new here so if i do/say anything stupid please excuse my stupidness ^^

From what i figure i could never really feel part of hitman, a character with no name, who looks like a basic outline of a 25-40 year old man before you add any details never seemed very apealing. But with altair you have history, detail, personaility (can tell alot about him because of the way he sacraficed his finger) and attitude (cause of the words choosen in the E3 demo). Which is why i prefer him personally. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

the_assassin_07
08-05-2007, 11:04 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif And I'm sure you won't say anything stupid. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

dragfindel
08-05-2007, 11:16 AM
i like them both each has a certain coolness factor.

the_assassin_07
08-05-2007, 11:17 AM
Yeah... but I like Altair more.

dragonc1aw
08-06-2007, 11:08 AM
There is no need to decide, for they are the same person...

moqqy
08-06-2007, 12:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dragonc1aw:
There is no need to decide, for they are the same person... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh my god! Altair is bald.. and that would mean 47 is 1000 years old..!:O big revelations

Vagula
08-06-2007, 12:53 PM
Hitman 47 so far. I mean he is a genetically enchanced superhuman, he has trained all his life to kill and is nearly emotionless killing machine that has mastered every weapon and way to kill.

Wouldn't it be cool if Agent 47 was the descendant of Altair(or clone) that's genetic memory is being looked at? Of course he isn't, but still.

knife_X
08-06-2007, 12:57 PM
47 no doubt who else can do 3 murders in a Mar DI Gras and get away unseen!

the_assassin_07
08-06-2007, 01:38 PM
Well who can assassinate some-one in public and escape from loads of guards?

moqqy
08-06-2007, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
Well who can assassinate some-one in public and escape from loads of guards? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me guess.. 47!

the_assassin_07
08-06-2007, 01:49 PM
No keep guessing you can do it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

moqqy
08-06-2007, 02:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
No keep guessing you can do it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No! it was right answer! 47 does that

the_assassin_07
08-06-2007, 02:32 PM
No seirously 47 focuses more on stealth.

Phreaky_McGeek
08-06-2007, 03:12 PM
Not really... in all honesty I've found the stealth factor in Hitman to be a gimmick and never used it.

moqqy
08-06-2007, 03:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
No seirously 47 focuses more on stealth. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When you play the game, YOU choose what he focuses on.

tailstriker
08-06-2007, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phreaky_McGeek:
Not really... in all honesty I've found the stealth factor in Hitman to be a gimmick and never used it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

um, playing the game prostyle (100% stealth) makes the game a totally different one.

47 &gt; altiar.

Zeusdude2020
08-06-2007, 04:22 PM
Agent 47: Kick *** Clone.

Altair: Some guy hooked up to some machine in a hospital. (supposedly).

Agent 47: Makes everything look like an accident and he was never there.

Altair: Runs in the open and kills the guy in broad day light.

Agent 47: Arsenal of Guns, Syringes, and Fiber Wire.

Altair: Daggers, Sword, Crossbow.

Agent 47: A clone with emotions, something that is rare.

Altair: Some guy in a comatose while getting his memory disected.

Agent 47: Has a 47th chromosome. hince the name.

Altair: Genetic Memory.

Agent 47: Barcode on the back of his head that reads his Date of birth and clone wave.

Altair: Bird like influence.

Agent 47: Killed off his creator and all other clones.

Altair: Has 9 fingers.

Agent 47: "super" strength, stamina, and smarts.

Altair: Jumps from roof to roof, and can't take many hits.

Agent 47: Hide in closets and steals disguises.

Altair: Hide in hay.

Agent 47: Considered a Myth.

Altair: Everyone knows, but doesn't know where.



I'd go with Agent 47 for now.

moqqy
08-06-2007, 04:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeusdude2020:
Agent 47: Kick *** Clone.

Altair: Some guy hooked up to some machine in a hospital. (supposedly).

Agent 47: Makes everything look like an accident and he was never there.

Altair: Runs in the open and kills the guy in broad day light.

Agent 47: Arsenal of Guns, Syringes, and Fiber Wire.

Altair: Daggers, Sword, Crossbow.

Agent 47: A clone with emotions, something that is rare.

Altair: Some guy in a comatose while getting his memory disected.

Agent 47: Has a 47th chromosome. hince the name.

Altair: Genetic Memory.

Agent 47: Barcode on the back of his head that reads his Date of birth and clone wave.

Altair: Bird like influence.

Agent 47: Killed off his creator and all other clones.

Altair: Has 9 fingers.

Agent 47: "super" strength, stamina, and smarts.

Altair: Jumps from roof to roof, and can't take many hits.

Agent 47: Hide in closets and steals disguises.

Altair: Hide in hay.

Agent 47: Considered a Myth.

Altair: Everyone knows, but doesn't know where.



I'd go with Agent 47 for now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

altair isnt hooked up to a machine..

Zeusdude2020
08-06-2007, 04:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeusdude2020:
Agent 47: Kick *** Clone.

Altair: Some guy hooked up to some machine in a hospital. (supposedly).

Agent 47: Makes everything look like an accident and he was never there.

Altair: Runs in the open and kills the guy in broad day light.

Agent 47: Arsenal of Guns, Syringes, and Fiber Wire.

Altair: Daggers, Sword, Crossbow.

Agent 47: A clone with emotions, something that is rare.

Altair: Some guy in a comatose while getting his memory disected.

Agent 47: Has a 47th chromosome. hince the name.

Altair: Genetic Memory.

Agent 47: Barcode on the back of his head that reads his Date of birth and clone wave.

Altair: Bird like influence.

Agent 47: Killed off his creator and all other clones.

Altair: Has 9 fingers.

Agent 47: "super" strength, stamina, and smarts.

Altair: Jumps from roof to roof, and can't take many hits.

Agent 47: Hide in closets and steals disguises.

Altair: Hide in hay.

Agent 47: Considered a Myth.

Altair: Everyone knows, but doesn't know where.



I'd go with Agent 47 for now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

altair isnt hooked up to a machine.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


that's why i put supposedly since in the trailer it shows him in a hospital bed, so he has to be hooked up to some sort of machine for the people who are looking through his genes for the memory can see what that memory is.

moqqy
08-06-2007, 04:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeusdude2020:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeusdude2020:
Agent 47: Kick *** Clone.

Altair: Some guy hooked up to some machine in a hospital. (supposedly).

Agent 47: Makes everything look like an accident and he was never there.

Altair: Runs in the open and kills the guy in broad day light.

Agent 47: Arsenal of Guns, Syringes, and Fiber Wire.

Altair: Daggers, Sword, Crossbow.

Agent 47: A clone with emotions, something that is rare.

Altair: Some guy in a comatose while getting his memory disected.

Agent 47: Has a 47th chromosome. hince the name.

Altair: Genetic Memory.

Agent 47: Barcode on the back of his head that reads his Date of birth and clone wave.

Altair: Bird like influence.

Agent 47: Killed off his creator and all other clones.

Altair: Has 9 fingers.

Agent 47: "super" strength, stamina, and smarts.

Altair: Jumps from roof to roof, and can't take many hits.

Agent 47: Hide in closets and steals disguises.

Altair: Hide in hay.

Agent 47: Considered a Myth.

Altair: Everyone knows, but doesn't know where.



I'd go with Agent 47 for now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

altair isnt hooked up to a machine.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


that's why i put supposedly since in the trailer it shows him in a hospital bed, so he has to be hooked up to some sort of machine for the people who are looking through his genes for the memory can see what that memory is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

they are looking through genes of altairs blood relative

webswinger93
08-06-2007, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeusdude2020:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeusdude2020:
Agent 47: Kick *** Clone.

Altair: Some guy hooked up to some machine in a hospital. (supposedly).

Agent 47: Makes everything look like an accident and he was never there.

Altair: Runs in the open and kills the guy in broad day light.

Agent 47: Arsenal of Guns, Syringes, and Fiber Wire.

Altair: Daggers, Sword, Crossbow.

Agent 47: A clone with emotions, something that is rare.

Altair: Some guy in a comatose while getting his memory disected.

Agent 47: Has a 47th chromosome. hince the name.

Altair: Genetic Memory.

Agent 47: Barcode on the back of his head that reads his Date of birth and clone wave.

Altair: Bird like influence.

Agent 47: Killed off his creator and all other clones.

Altair: Has 9 fingers.

Agent 47: "super" strength, stamina, and smarts.

Altair: Jumps from roof to roof, and can't take many hits.

Agent 47: Hide in closets and steals disguises.

Altair: Hide in hay.

Agent 47: Considered a Myth.

Altair: Everyone knows, but doesn't know where.



I'd go with Agent 47 for now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

altair isnt hooked up to a machine.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


that's why i put supposedly since in the trailer it shows him in a hospital bed, so he has to be hooked up to some sort of machine for the people who are looking through his genes for the memory can see what that memory is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

they are looking through genes of altairs blood relative </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And to be picky altair doesn't have a crossbow...

Prol33tariat
08-06-2007, 05:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dragfindel:
mr.47 is an emotionless charactar (spelling)
well alta´r is just really cool with freerunning.
like andy i can't decide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

actualy 47 is protected by divinity, and has had conversations with representatives of the pope in the games cannon, which he confesses alot of his regrets, this happens in silent assassin.

he shows a lot of emotion than, he re works his mission compendium to only target the scum of the upper "untouchable" class, and it is part of his personal requirement of working for the ICA, that all his hits are approved by him before he accepts it.

you can see it obviously after the religious thing the games missions change from killing for money, to killing dirty rich perverts for money, or extortionists, or white slavers, or so on and so forth.


47 is a hitman however,and he kills for one simple reason, MONEY, no matter how perv'd you are he wont do it for free.... and by definition that is different that killing for a purpose, or political reasons, which is by definition assassination....47's actions in some of his missions can be considered assassinations, while the majority of his hits are simply that, contracted murders, which by definition is not assassination.


so based on principle and what i know in real life to be contributed to the actions of the Hshashhsin, i would say altair is a better true assassin. 47 is a hitman.

Altair_92
08-06-2007, 06:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Prol33tariat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dragfindel:
mr.47 is an emotionless charactar (spelling)
well alta´r is just really cool with freerunning.
like andy i can't decide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

actualy 47 is protected by divinity, and has had conversations with representatives of the pope in the games cannon, which he confesses alot of his regrets, this happens in silent assassin.

he shows a lot of emotion than, he re works his mission compendium to only target the scum of the upper "untouchable" class, and it is part of his personal requirement of working for the ICA, that all his hits are approved by him before he accepts it.

you can see it obviously after the religious thing the games missions change from killing for money, to killing dirty rich perverts for money, or extortionists, or white slavers, or so on and so forth.


47 is a hitman however,and he kills for one simple reason, MONEY, no matter how perv'd you are he wont do it for free.... and by definition that is different that killing for a purpose, or political reasons, which is by definition assassination....47's actions in some of his missions can be considered assassinations, while the majority of his hits are simply that, contracted murders, which by definition is not assassination.


so based on principle and what i know in real life to be contributed to the actions of the Hshashhsin, i would say altair is a better true assassin. 47 is a hitman. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And also, the name of the game is Hitman, not assassin. lol

Prol33tariat
08-06-2007, 06:19 PM
thats a funny sig?
!?LOL!!

Altair_92
08-06-2007, 06:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Prol33tariat:
thats a funny sig?
!?LOL!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

??? Sarcastic? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I have a sig rotator.

Prol33tariat
08-06-2007, 11:35 PM
no seriously, i talked so much **** when MGS1...


ME:"wow, after 20 some years of perfecting the stealth infiltration genre as well as assassination, one of the most elemtal gameplay mechanics is hiding under a ****ing box?"



WTF.

MrMoo333
08-06-2007, 11:49 PM
Definatly 47! I MEAN, COME ON! HES AWSOME! a totall badass! so's altair but not in the same way, tatally 47... jus look at my sig! hehe i love hitman

knife_X
08-07-2007, 03:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phreaky_McGeek:
Not really... in all honesty I've found the stealth factor in Hitman to be a gimmick and never used it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


aaah then you must really try that ones. It`s awsome to get Silent Assasin rating on Bloodmoney and get a huuuge bonus for beeing unseen it feel so rewarding. But myself I have found that I allmost never bring with me anything but the Silverballer with the best silencer and scope that ****ty laser isnt usefull! And off course the wire. Complete the Oprah house mission without any guns witch imo is awsome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif use your brain a little instead of running and shoot everything.

So to answear you statement, no, stealth in Hitman is not a gimmick!

ThePheonix1030
08-07-2007, 03:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Prol33tariat:
no seriously, i talked so much **** when MGS1...


ME:"wow, after 20 some years of perfecting the stealth infiltration genre as well as assassination, one of the most elemtal gameplay mechanics is hiding under a ****ing box?"



WTF. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hm, and what would you reconsider being 'the most elemental gameplay mechanics'?

MrMoo333
08-07-2007, 10:45 PM
When someone earlier was talking about how 47 was a bit affectionate to his bird, he kiils it in the end of blood money because it was making noise...

moqqy
08-08-2007, 02:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMoo333:
When someone earlier was talking about how 47 was a bit affectionate to his bird, he kiils it in the end of blood money because it was making noise... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

but his apartment was surrounded by hundreds of SWAT guys. he killed it to hear better. ( when he killed it he didn't know that it was surrounded, but he heard someone enter, and he was in like some basement... he knew he had been found. )

MrMoo333
08-08-2007, 02:49 AM
true, but its wierd, because at first, it looks like he is going to save the bird (takes his cage with him) then he kills it, for good reason but still!

Zeusdude2020
08-08-2007, 01:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMoo333:
When someone earlier was talking about how 47 was a bit affectionate to his bird, he kills it in the end of blood money because it was making noise... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yes but it was going to die anyway for

WARNING WARNING BLOOD MONEY SPOILER! WARNING!

He leaves his Hideout and doesn't return, so seeing as no one is there to take care of the bird it was going to die anyway.

END OF SPOILER! END END END! SPOILER END!


And he befriended an escape Lab Rabbit while he was being Trained by Ort-Meyer.

Death-By-Wire
08-08-2007, 10:11 PM
diana seadted 47 to make him look dead to that cia guy in a wheel chair, then she did 3 things without the crippled cia agent's knowledge

1. took out bottle of clear liquid
2. put a cap on it with a consealed clear stick lip stick
3. turned the wheel chair around then kissed 47 on the lips and gave him his silver ballers then left. ( she obviously didnt want to be there when...) he woke up and killed everyone in the morgue. hinting a possible hitman sequal. with the technology hitman has, he is obviously better, a silenced W2000 custom rifle with nightvision attachment.. it doesnt get any better than that, u can kill someone far off at night with such a gun.

A_Bird_Of_Prey_
08-08-2007, 10:18 PM
Altair is an assassin and 47 is a hitman, as the title would hint. so they are 2 completely different things so this discussion makes nno sence at all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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Death-By-Wire
08-09-2007, 12:04 PM
tell me birdy.. what do u know about altair besides the demos and introductory storyline from Ac's official site?

the_assassin_07
08-09-2007, 12:23 PM
It's his choice.... I prefer Altair's style anyway........

ScytheOfGrim
08-09-2007, 12:29 PM
i mean, COME ON!!!

altair is a born terrorist! 47 doesnt stand (or sit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif) a chance!

besides, he has a switchblade too...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

and im loving your sig assassin!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

the_assassin_07
08-09-2007, 12:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">mean, COME ON!!!

altair is a born terrorist! 47 doesnt stand (or sit ) a chance!

besides, he has a switchblade too...

and im loving your sig assassin!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks! LOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Yeah Altair is WAY better than 47!

moqqy
08-09-2007, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by A_Bird_Of_Prey_:
Altair is an assassin and 47 is a hitman, as the title would hint. so they are 2 completely different things so this discussion makes nno sence at all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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Errr nah they aren't two completely different things... both do almost the exactly same thing

MrMoo333
08-09-2007, 01:55 PM
One is hired and the other is freelance, but for the good of the country

the_assassin_07
08-09-2007, 02:00 PM
Yeah. And MrMoo I'm stealing your sig okay?... too late http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

webswinger93
08-09-2007, 02:03 PM
there's no doubt that Altair is the best one when he kills he uses style I don't say that agent 47 doesn't but Altair let's everyone see him and still gets away quite easy... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

the_assassin_07
08-09-2007, 02:04 PM
Yeah http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
EDIT: Bye everyone I'm going to watch Big Brother http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif cya!

moqqy
08-09-2007, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMoo333:
One is hired and the other is freelance, but for the good of the country </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and that makes them completely different how?
altair works for an organization..
47 works for an organization..

both kill people

Mazena86
08-09-2007, 02:57 PM
I was just thinking about how people think Altair is so much cooler because he does his assassinations in public to make his point and then run away from the guards...

Yeah, it's cool and all. But there's a reason 47 won't do it. It's guns and the fact that you would soon be known everywhere even if you had a disguise on you. I mean it's a whole different world. There were no AK-47s aimed at Altair when he was running and they didn't have internet to spread the wanted pics of him.

Anyway. I choose Agent 47. He's just so calm and cool. Altair is cool too with his switchbade and parkour, but he doesn't have the style and elegance &lt;3

Zeusdude2020
08-09-2007, 08:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMoo333:
One is hired and the other is freelance, but for the good of the country </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong wrong wrong Wroonnngggo.

Assassin's are "hired" too by their "agency". Just like 47. Altair is hired from the Assassin's HQ to do what they tell him to do. Agent 47 is hired by The Agency to do what they tell him to do.

&lt;altair is a born terrorist!&gt;

That is wrong too. Altair was born as every normal human being is, and was raised like every other man out there. Assassin's during that time were hired by the "HQ" at a certain age and if they watned to take the job they would.

Agent 47 on the other hand. Wasn't born like everyone human being. He was created (with a whole other shipment of 47's) by Dr. Ort-Meyer and he was trained to kill silently and effectively since "birth".

So Agent 47 is the born killer here...not Altair.

AldirTheKnight
08-09-2007, 08:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeusdude2020:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMoo333:
One is hired and the other is freelance, but for the good of the country </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong wrong wrong Wroonnngggo.

Assassin's are "hired" too by their "agency". Just like 47. Altair is hired from the Assassin's HQ to do what they tell him to do. Agent 47 is hired by The Agency to do what they tell him to do.

&lt;altair is a born terrorist!&gt;

That is wrong too. Altair was born as every normal human being is, and was raised like every other man out there. Assassin's during that time were hired by the "HQ" at a certain age and if they watned to take the job they would.

Agent 47 on the other hand. Wasn't born like everyone human being. He was created (with a whole other shipment of 47's) by Dr. Ort-Meyer and he was trained to kill silently and effectively since "birth".

So Agent 47 is the born killer here...not Altair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wtf? the hashashin weren't "hired", they were told lies and **** to make them serve a master

Zeusdude2020
08-09-2007, 08:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AldirTheKnight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeusdude2020:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMoo333:
One is hired and the other is freelance, but for the good of the country </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong wrong wrong Wroonnngggo.

Assassin's are "hired" too by their "agency". Just like 47. Altair is hired from the Assassin's HQ to do what they tell him to do. Agent 47 is hired by The Agency to do what they tell him to do.

&lt;altair is a born terrorist!&gt;

That is wrong too. Altair was born as every normal human being is, and was raised like every other man out there. Assassin's during that time were hired by the "HQ" at a certain age and if they watned to take the job they would.

Agent 47 on the other hand. Wasn't born like everyone human being. He was created (with a whole other shipment of 47's) by Dr. Ort-Meyer and he was trained to kill silently and effectively since "birth".

So Agent 47 is the born killer here...not Altair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wtf? the hashashin weren't "hired", they were told lies and **** to make them serve a master </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Altair isn't killing people just because he wants to. He's doing it for the life of mankind. A born killer does it for his own pleasure and no one elses. If there is someone else's in it, he would want nothing to do with it.

AldirTheKnight
08-09-2007, 08:55 PM
i'm talking about the hashashin in general not altair, he's different, it says so in the story thing, he has to kill those 9 people cos he failed his master

Death-By-Wire
08-10-2007, 02:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by webswinger93:
there's no doubt that Altair is the best one when he kills he uses style I don't say that agent 47 doesn't but Altair let's everyone see him and still gets away quite easy... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
''It's his choice.... I prefer Altair's style anyway........'' heh.. sort of contradictory with your new avatar and picture of the flask and such


hah, webswinger thats a childish reason,executing with style and looking cool while doing it was something people were concerned with as children, altair's so called ''free lance get away'' is only possible because he is a monkey and his enemies have heavy armour while swinging around swords on the ground.. u cant really do that now..

chikkenstorm
08-10-2007, 02:55 AM
Who said we could compare these two good? You can't, and I (and Webswinger and more) like Altairs way better. But you can't really compare them...

And Altair is also better because he has cooler moves http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

moqqy
08-10-2007, 04:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AldirTheKnight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeusdude2020:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMoo333:
One is hired and the other is freelance, but for the good of the country </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong wrong wrong Wroonnngggo.

Assassin's are "hired" too by their "agency". Just like 47. Altair is hired from the Assassin's HQ to do what they tell him to do. Agent 47 is hired by The Agency to do what they tell him to do.

&lt;altair is a born terrorist!&gt;

That is wrong too. Altair was born as every normal human being is, and was raised like every other man out there. Assassin's during that time were hired by the "HQ" at a certain age and if they watned to take the job they would.

Agent 47 on the other hand. Wasn't born like everyone human being. He was created (with a whole other shipment of 47's) by Dr. Ort-Meyer and he was trained to kill silently and effectively since "birth".

So Agent 47 is the born killer here...not Altair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wtf? the hashashin weren't "hired", they were told lies and **** to make them serve a master </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no... they weren't told lies. nizari ismaili became fida'i if they wanted.

Death-By-Wire
08-10-2007, 07:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chikkenstorm:
Who said we could compare these two good? You can't, and I (and Webswinger and more) like Altairs way better. But you can't really compare them...

And Altair is also better because he has cooler moves http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

^ there you go with the visual fashion thing again, well what ever suites you. but know this '' there is a bullet for everyone, and a time and a place'' - 47 lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

K_Falcon
08-10-2007, 11:06 PM
You really cant compare them since they are in different times Agent47 has guns at his disposal while Altair doesn't so you cant really tell who's the best. Also AC is still not out so you cant tell how Altair will be.

MrMoo333
08-11-2007, 12:26 AM
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the_assassin_07
08-11-2007, 01:20 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif And he's a newbie aswell! lol

Death-By-Wire
08-14-2007, 10:29 AM
i wish i had 47 chromosomes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Prol33tariat
08-14-2007, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ThePheonix1030:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Prol33tariat:
no seriously, i talked so much **** when MGS1...


ME:"wow, after 20 some years of perfecting the stealth infiltration genre as well as assassination, one of the most elemtal gameplay mechanics is hiding under a ****ing box?"



WTF. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hm, and what would you reconsider being 'the most elemental gameplay mechanics'? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

look i did'nt work on the game, they should of hired me.....frankly its not my trouble to worry about what i would have reconsidered to be a more solid and stapled stealth element.

the fact that you hide under a ****ing box.....thats like "o...Gee scoob like we are TOTALLY in a haunted house, and we are on drugs, would you eat a sandwich you found in a haunted house? anyways, whats that i hear a phantom, ok...lets hide in that box and when they turn their backs you can see our cute little feet's running underneath like Wile E. Coyote.... O NO THAT SUIT OF ARMOR IS CHASING US, QUICK FIND VELMA..."



how clear do you have to be, i mean it was like "hideo we need a hiding mechanic."
HIDEO: " yeah well i need some sushi a stella and a joint so make it a box and ship it gold there is an earth full of idiots who will buy it and worship me.....cough *us* so lets go to lunch."


i mean come on....so dumb...a BOX?!?


how dumb are the genome "super soldiers" there like IQ level of high school jocks.

"hey Rock-o did that uhhh box just uhhh move?"

"prolly just a side effect of anabolic steriods, remeber how paranoid you got when your knees dissapeared?"

"Oh yeah, NICE BOX *pats box who is smoking what smells like marlboro reds*"


HELLO, they call this guy the best game director of the 20th century. im glad the 20th century is over.

ThePheonix1030
08-14-2007, 10:26 PM
Um, what? I don't understand a word you wrote. Maybe it's the grammar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

the_assassin_07
08-15-2007, 03:58 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Yeah, and what's wrong with hiding under a box? Sure you can see their feet, that's why the guards get alerted when you move and they can see you. And if you still don't that's realistic then I don't know what I can do to convince you. Anyway back on T: I prefer Altair's style of fighting because he's more agile than 47.

dragfindel
08-15-2007, 04:02 AM
mgs is also focused on humour.

the_assassin_07
08-15-2007, 04:07 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Yeah it's also focused on humour. Like the question and exclamation marks above the guards heads and the magazines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. And they have jokes when they're talking and stuff, it cracks me up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

dragfindel
08-15-2007, 04:11 AM
and it's just an icon of mgs, cardboxing!

the_assassin_07
08-15-2007, 04:20 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Yeah it's been in every-one of the games, but now they're using barrels in MGS4. They look WAY, WAY better than the cardboard boxes! Because they can deflect bullets whereas cardboard boxes can't (DUH!). And you can do a roll in them and knock out or kill the guards. But you vomit and get sick afterwards http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

dragfindel
08-15-2007, 04:25 AM
and to recover you slip trogh the pages of a magazine. -&gt; but why whould you use a oil barrel if you can use octocamo?
any way let's stay on topic.

the_assassin_07
08-15-2007, 04:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and to recover you slip trogh the pages of a magazine. -&gt; but why whould you use a oil barrel if you can use octocamo? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The magazines.... lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. And as for the question: Because you can.... well you can go anywhere with it and roll.... I dunno.... it's cool though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

K_Falcon
08-16-2007, 08:35 PM
Why are you saying High School Jocks are dumb Im not dumb as a matter of fact I almost have all AP classes and last year the smartest guy in Senior Class in my High School was a Football Player.

AldirTheKnight
08-17-2007, 06:30 AM
in my class all the men played footie (soccie??)


but in angola they're pussies


but in uruguay they're HxC


that's why we won and hosted the first World Cup in history