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CzechTexan
05-22-2009, 12:24 PM
Just wondering if there's anyone out there who has more information about the so-called SB-24 snoopers equipped with radar in the 10th Air Force in India. I know the 308th BG/14th AF used them and there is a lot of info about them in the book Chennault's Forgotten Warriors. SB-24s were also in the Central and Southwest Pacific as well.

These B-24s with radar performed excellently on raids vs. bridges and shipping and often flew night missions. I have found bits and pieces of info on the net but haven't found the treasure chest of info that I'm searching for.

CzechTexan
05-22-2009, 12:24 PM
Just wondering if there's anyone out there who has more information about the so-called SB-24 snoopers equipped with radar in the 10th Air Force in India. I know the 308th BG/14th AF used them and there is a lot of info about them in the book Chennault's Forgotten Warriors. SB-24s were also in the Central and Southwest Pacific as well.

These B-24s with radar performed excellently on raids vs. bridges and shipping and often flew night missions. I have found bits and pieces of info on the net but haven't found the treasure chest of info that I'm searching for.

jensenpark
05-22-2009, 01:40 PM
Send a PM to Waldo Pepper...

he'll know.

He's kinda'...obsessed...with the subject. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

CzechTexan
05-22-2009, 02:23 PM
Thanks Jensenpark. Unfortunately I can't seem to find his name in the directory to send a PM. Could you direct him to this thread?

Waldo.Pepper
05-22-2009, 05:27 PM
Kelly is a lovely fella and all that, with few faults. He is a little prone to exaggeration however.

I MAY know the information you seek, but if it is unit history or where was SB-24 'Morotai Queen' on Feb 14 1944 - then that kind of thing leaves me a little cold. I am more interested in the technical stuff.

If you want to send me a PM my handle is Waldo.Pepper or waldo.pepper (at) hotmail.com works fine too. (Kelly missed the period - which is why you could not find me.)

Or ask away here, I shall do my best.

CzechTexan
05-22-2009, 06:05 PM
I was just curious if there was more information out there somewhere and it looks like you're the right source to go to. Appreciate the help.
Not really looking for a complete unit history or every mission story but just general stuff like...

what squadrons in the U.S. 10th Air Force used these radar equipped B-24s?

when did they start using it?

where were these planes based at?

and the types of missions and where? I believe they did bridge busting and anti-shipping missions.

I never really thought about the other air forces using this type plane, until today when I was re-reading the book mentioned above. And I got the idea to build some missions using my MODS BurmaLower map. I really would just like some ideas for missions to build with the FMB.

Christopher Shores book "Air War for Burma" has good details about the air war there but I only glanced over it today and didn't see anything about the "snoopers". Maybe you can add some things to help me.

Waldo.Pepper
05-23-2009, 12:25 AM
Hopefully (and I am sure you will) find the answers (quickly) to the following questions of yours ...

what squadrons in the U.S. 10th Air Force used these radar equipped B-24s?
when did they start using it?
where were these planes based at?
and the types of missions and where? I believe they did bridge busting and anti-shipping missions.

... in the following pdf I have uploaded for you.

http://rapidshare.com/files/23...y_1941-1945.pdf.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/236211473/Combat_Chronology_1941-1945.pdf.html)

The document is a word search able PDF. So I would search for SB-24 in it to find out what you are looking for.

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In a nutshell, the missions of SB-24's were nocturnal anti-shipping strikes. They were restricted in the types of targets that they could go after by the resolution of the radar in use at the time. Open Ocean was best suited, but they did try attacking coastal targets with some success. Targets located on rivers were also attacked, but the radars were useless for this and they needed to attack visually.

If all you are looking for is ideas for mission creation then this should do it for you. If you want further details let me know. I have an excellent article detailing the technical difficulties of working up the second unit to conduct LAB attacks flying from China. It is this article (BTW)

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xpl...91&authDecision=-203 (http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fi el3%2F62%2F5680%2F00216891.pdf%3Farnumber%3D216891&authDecision=-203)

It is quite detailed. Much more so than I think you need.

The initial unit operating this kind of aircraft/mission was Colonel Wright's Project. Here are some details of that flight.

THE 868th 'SNOOPERS'

In the early days on Guadalcanal in August 1943, a unique squadron within Thirteenth Air Force was the predecessor of the 868th BS (Heavy), which operated autonomously - it was often co-located with the 5th BG, but was not subordinate to the group and which used Liberators equipped with airborne radar for low-level attacks at night and pathfinder operations. The 868th 'Snoopers' covered vast distances from the south-west Pacific to the doorstep of Japan, operating from Munda (1 January 1944), Los Negros (20 January 1944), Noemfoor (29 August 1944), Morotai (22 March 1945), Leyte (3 July 1945) and Okinawa (29 July 1945).

The 'Snoopers' began as a cadre of skilled personnel from the 394th BS/5th BG (with a few from the 307th BG). Their radar equipment and techniques came from the confusingly-named 'Colonel Wright's Project' located at Langley Field, Virginia, and their radar-equipped Liberators were usually known as SB-24s. They were equipped with SRC-717-B search and navigation radar, AN/APQ-5 LABS bombing radar, SCR-729 IFF (identification, friend or foe) and an AN/ARN-1 radio altimeter. The antenna for the SC-717-B was placed in the bomber's ball turret location.

Initially operating as the 394th BS/5th BG, the 'Snoopers' flew from Guadalcanal and attacked Japanese shipping between Rabaul and the Solomons. They arrived on Munda at the end of 1943, and by the time the unit acquired the 868th BS designation, it had already been credited with the sinking of 34,000 tons of enemy shipping.

Also this is a good read -

http://warandgame.wordpress.co...craft-and-squadrons/ (http://warandgame.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/snooper-aircraft-and-squadrons/)

Let me know if this is what you were looking for.

CzechTexan
05-24-2009, 01:25 PM
Thank you Waldo.Pepper!