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darkhorizon11
02-03-2005, 03:05 PM
One of my fraternity brothers and close friends is in the undergrad F-16 training program. While were both pilots I'm more of WW2 junkie, he however keeps up on the most modern goodies to come out in the world of modern air warfare. He sent me this link:


www.fighterops.com (http://www.fighterops.com)

It uses the tried and true X-Plane engine (the only PC program FAA approved for training). The graphics are the best I've ever seen, and from what they say they're looking to follow the realism lines of Falcon 4.0 which will be a gift and a curse for production team XSI. Hopefully they put in arcade settings so they can sell more copies and get some attention to the game. One possible negative that will turn off many in this forum is that it will be available for open modification. Although like Microsoft and CFS it seems XSI plans to review many best modifications and incorporate them into the game.

Either way, even if your not into games of the sort its worth a look...

Lav69
02-03-2005, 03:20 PM
If I'm not mistaken the group making that are modders from Falcon 4.0. When Atari dumped liscensing for further Falcon development, these guys went their own way - spawn Fighter Ops.

adlabs6
02-03-2005, 03:26 PM
I've been watching this one for a while. I welcome the open source addons.

MEGILE
02-03-2005, 03:59 PM
Looking forward to Fighter Ops, and LOMAC 1.1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

flockzap
02-03-2005, 04:16 PM
Are those screens used in game? Cause if they are I better call my hardware store shortly... ****....Any news about the release date?

Flockzap

badaboom.1
02-03-2005, 04:33 PM
WOW......I have longed to do some groundpounding with a STRIKEEAGLE since my JANES F-15 days!!Looks good thanks for the headsup!!

darkhorizon11
02-03-2005, 04:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flockzap:
Are those screens used in game? Cause if they are I better call my hardware store shortly... ****....Any news about the release date?

Flockzap <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The site just recently came on. I actually recieved the link about two weeks ago and then the site was just a title page with no other links that said coming soon...

Which screens are you refering too? The ones of San Fran and Las Vegas naturally are since their listed under screen shots. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the other backround pictures on the FAQ section and the F-15 in the tactical references are in game screens since they're definitely computer generated. I only played a demo for X-plane once on the same guys computer mentioned above. It was quite the game and it had some pretty amazing details in it, even by today's standards.

Graphics however, still aren't my main focus. I'm looking for the complexity that F4.0 had. I loved that game, I got it when I was about 15 and it truly blew me away. Probably the game that really pushed me to being a pilot in real life. I love to eat up all that techie junk, I'm doing it in reality right now learning to the Piper Arrow inside and out (which pales in comparsions to todays manned missiles).

But like I said, you won't see this one anytime soon. My ballpark guess will be Spring/Summer 2006.

heywooood
02-03-2005, 09:49 PM
thanks for the link, dh...I will keep an eye on this one too

robban75
02-03-2005, 11:37 PM
Yet another sim featuring teen fighters. Good graphics can't make up for a boring content. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

But that's my opinion of course. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Raptor_20thFG
02-04-2005, 02:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
One of my fraternity brothers and close friends is in the undergrad F-16 training program. While were both pilots I'm more of WW2 junkie, he however keeps up on the most modern goodies to come out in the world of modern air warfare. He sent me this link:



http://www.fighterops.com

It uses the tried and true X-Plane engine (the only PC program FAA approved for training). The graphics are the best I've ever seen, and from what they say they're looking to follow the realism lines of Falcon 4.0 which will be a gift and a curse for production team XSI. Hopefully they put in arcade settings so they can sell more copies and get some attention to the game. One possible negative that will turn off many in this forum is that it will be available for open modification. Although like Microsoft and CFS it seems XSI plans to review many best modifications and incorporate them into the game.

Either way, even if your not into games of the sort its worth a look... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just hope it gets off the Ground G2I already jumped ship

Raptor_20thFG
02-04-2005, 02:40 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by robban75:
Yet another sim featuring teen fighters. Good graphics can't make up for a boring content. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

But that's my opinion of course. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif[/QUOTE

I disagree with you for one reason the sheer complexities of learning the subsystems on a modern fighter Entice me its not easy I am just now learning how to fly Falcon 4 I hope the project gets offf the ground. Ohh and I am not trying to defend or sway your opinion just stating mine as well als you have to love the idea of dodging a sam 200 feet off the ground going Mach 1 + makes my blood pump.

Raptor_20thFG
02-04-2005, 02:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flockzap:
Are those screens used in game? Cause if they are I better call my hardware store shortly... ****....Any news about the release date?

Flockzap <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The site just recently came on. I actually recieved the link about two weeks ago and then the site was just a title page with no other links that said coming soon...

Which screens are you refering too? The ones of San Fran and Las Vegas naturally are since their listed under screen shots. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the other backround pictures on the FAQ section and the F-15 in the tactical references are in game screens since they're definitely computer generated. I only played a demo for X-plane once on the same guys computer mentioned above. It was quite the game and it had some pretty amazing details in it, even by today's standards.

Graphics however, still aren't my main focus. I'm looking for the complexity that F4.0 had. I loved that game, I got it when I was about 15 and it truly blew me away. Probably the game that really pushed me to being a pilot in real life. I love to eat up all that techie junk, I'm doing it in reality right now learning to the Piper Arrow inside and out (which pales in comparsions to todays manned missiles).

But like I said, you won't see this one anytime soon. My ballpark guess will be Spring/Summer 2006. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you should dust it off and take a look at some of the patches Free Falcon 3 espically I think you will like it again

Salfordian
02-04-2005, 03:16 AM
Didn't know that G2i had dropped the project, I remember when the whole g2i/fighter ops thing was announced following the demise of F4OIR. Well, good luck to em, have been waiting for a jet sim as good as Falcon 4 to come along for a while now, especially as F4 FF3 always crashes on my machine.

LEXX_Luthor
02-04-2005, 03:31 AM
robban:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yet another sim featuring teen fighters. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Teen Fighters

Interesting...

simhq:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But real-world marketing pressures were brought to bear, and it was not to be. The Russian aircraft released with Lock On were near-total repeats of the Flanker 2.51 stalwarts. Norman left Ubisoft, and so did Wagner after the project. But all was not lost. Wags let us know that Igor Tishin had not forgotten the legions of Flankerheads that kept the dream alive. And we found out that they€d been trying to bring the real N-001 and N-019 radar into Lock On all along, in fact, the detailed design work had been done years beforehand and time had just run out! Time and money forced them to release the product before they were quite ready; large retailers were canceling and reducing orders for the game. Patches would be coming, perhaps something could be done. Even when Ubisoft turned its corporate back on the product, Eagle stayed resolutely in the game. There would be a follow-up product to Lock On. And Russians would see an add-on to existing Lock On. One that would introduce a new aircraft: the Tank Killer. The Su-25T. The Russian A-10, with that aircraft€s deadly optically-guided weapons system. With a new flight model that Eagle had been desperately working on as the original Lock On project drew to a close. Various fixes for the in-game aircraft.

And the radar Flankerheads have been dreaming of.

We howled for a Western release. But it€s going to be payware, we found. You can€t get all this work for free. We don€t care, cried World Simming. And Eagle heard the cries, and they€re planning to make a Western release of this feature-laden update available by download from Eagle itself. So new and full of Russian aviation goodness that it has its own name, Lock On: Flaming Cliffs is in final testing and tweaking as we speak. It adds features, aircraft, and enhancements. If you€re a Lock On flier, you want it.

~ http://www.simhq.com/_air3/air_087a.html
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Part 2, new Radar for Russian fighters~> http://www.simhq.com/_air3/air_089a.html

MEGILE
02-04-2005, 06:41 AM
The new russian avionics in LOMAC V 1.1 are going to surpass the level of detail ever before seen in a flight sim, as well as the new SU-25T flight model.
Arguably, and probably, the best flight model ever for a $30 piece of software.

Waiting eagerly for the KA-50 addon too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


AND incase you haven't seen it.. a small group of programmers are creating a Falklands era flight sim. Knowing you hate "the vogue" Lexx, you might be interested in this one.

McDonnel Douglas A-4 Skyhawk (Argentine A-4B, A-4C and carrier-based A-4Q)
AMD Mirage IIIEA (and israeli-built Mirage export model IAI Nesher/Dagger)
FMA IA-58 Pucará
BAe Sea Harrier FRS.1
BAe Harrier Gr.3
AMD Super Etendard

http://www.thunder-works.com/news.htm

Raptor_20thFG
02-04-2005, 03:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Megile:
The new russian avionics in LOMAC V 1.1 are going to surpass the level of detail ever before seen in a flight sim, as well as the new SU-25T flight model.
Arguably, and probably, the best flight model ever for a $30 piece of software.

Waiting eagerly for the KA-50 addon too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


AND incase you haven't seen it.. a small group of programmers are creating a Falklands era flight sim. Knowing you hate "the vogue" Lexx, you might be interested in this one.

McDonnel Douglas A-4 Skyhawk (Argentine A-4B, A-4C and carrier-based A-4Q)
AMD Mirage IIIEA (and israeli-built Mirage export model IAI Nesher/Dagger)
FMA IA-58 Pucará
BAe Sea Harrier FRS.1
BAe Harrier Gr.3
AMD Super Etendard

http://www.thunder-works.com/news.htm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Until they make the F-16 Flyable I wont touch it Just my Personal Prefrence devoted viper driver

Badsight.
02-04-2005, 03:26 PM
oh man , your loss dude . . . .

JG5_UnKle
02-04-2005, 03:51 PM
ANY flight sim is good news http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-04-2005, 05:28 PM
Right Megile...simhq has a forum for that Falklands Air War sim...

~> http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=109

Hoping to see that Flyable MirageIII. Mirage and Super~Entendard are not in vogue at all--at least here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No Teen Fighters these.

Mashie_Nibblick
02-04-2005, 06:12 PM
I've been watching Jet Thunder for a while, myself. Definitely looking forward to driving the Pucara.

Fighter Ops is a new one to me, tahnks for bringing it up.

On the subject of Teen Fighters, this is the best I could do:

http://homestarrunner.com/tgs1.html

MEGILE
02-04-2005, 06:16 PM
Looking forward to dueling with you in the harrier, Lexx http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BoCfuss
02-04-2005, 06:54 PM
It sounds to me as if they are going to try and make this a little like Microsoft FS series.. Now hold on just a minute, CFS series is pure ****, I agree, but Flight Simulator has always been awesome for what it is. I've always wanted to have high fidelity military aircraft in FS, it will not happen. Hopefully we can get some great addons for this, payware/shareware/whateverware is cool with me. There are a zillion very talented people out there that could make everyones favorite aircraft, and those who really know what they are doing could make some money. Like PMDG, LDS, and Dreamfleat to name a few. I think this could be very awesome. I hope it stays afloat.

wayno7777
02-04-2005, 09:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Salfordian:
Didn't know that G2i had dropped the project, I remember when the whole g2i/fighter ops thing was announced following the demise of F4OIR. Well, good luck to em, have been waiting for a jet sim as good as Falcon 4 to come along for a while now, especially as F4 FF3 always crashes on my machine. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try the F4 SP4 update. Also a FF3 hotfix. See here http://www.simmersworld.com/default.php?page=Patches

darkhorizon11
02-05-2005, 10:51 AM
No doubt, I'm not trying to start a fire for those who like LOMAC. I'm just saying if this game comes out there gonna have some healthy competition. Realismwise this game will probably surpass it simply because of the engine its using. Not to say that LOMAC is going to be obsolete anytime soon though.

Yeah, I have heard of Free Falcon but I've never really played it... Thanks for the tip maybe I should run er up can you shoot me a link?

Swivet
02-05-2005, 11:31 AM
Whoa! If those screenies are from the actual game, then im pretty impressed. As much as i love Lomac, this will def be added to my collection of sims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Thanx for the link DH

LStarosta
02-05-2005, 11:59 AM
LOMAC hasn't met its match...

The thing isn't even done.

Kandiru-Aku
02-05-2005, 12:47 PM
Lets face it guys. Modern jet pilots depend mostly on reaction time to IFRs. The TACAN and rest determine the game. Turning reduces speed fast and no one really dogfights with cannons. Encounters are like flashes lasting fractions of a second.

I'll stick to my BF-109, because, like the rest here we know what makes for a thrilling dogfight.

darkhorizon11
02-05-2005, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kandiru-Aku:
Lets face it guys. Modern jet pilots depend mostly on reaction time to IFRs. The TACAN and rest determine the game. Turning reduces speed fast and no one really dogfights with cannons. Encounters are like flashes lasting fractions of a second.

I'll stick to my BF-109, because, like the rest here we know what makes for a thrilling dogfight. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sort of. I agree that you can shoot someone down without seeing them. However...

Most aerial engagement these days are simply two on two good guy bad guy engagements. If you look at the incident in the early 80's where two Libyan Fitters were splashed it was an isolated incident. Same goes for Kosovo where two F-15s engaged Serbian MiG 29s on there way to bomb Nato installations.
In these engagements it was obvious who the enemy was since well, there were two planes that weren't ours flying at us sorta idea. In a real war though the battle field is a complicated place. In many cases, there are neutral aircraft flying through the combat zone (ex. 1991 US Naval vessels shot down an Iraqi airliner mistaken for an enemy fighter). Although the Identify Friend of Foe concept has evolved since the 1940s, jamming and other countermeasures have made aerial engagement more complicated. In large scale conflict NATO forces would probably require that all aircraft visually identify their targets. Given its only a game but I remember in my Falcon 4.0 days flying buzzing enemy DPRK ground attack aircraft to confirm their identity. The pilot doesnt have magic map of every single aircraft in area with friends as blue and enemies as red. Air to air combat/dogfighting is still very much alive. Why do you think the F/A-22 Raptor and Russian Sukhois have thrust vectoring?

Its not just to impress everyone at the Paris air show every year...