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Odin_Part_2
04-17-2008, 04:31 AM
Just share with me & others your viewpoints as far as their positive & negative attributes & how they fair in a fight?

Also, are any of them on any of the current sims?

Forgive me, as I have this attraction for some of the most out of this world & obscure type of airplanes.

(1) Aichi B7-A Ryusei "Grace" (Japanese 2 Seat Carrier & Land Based Torpedo Bomber)

(2) Amiot 143 (French 4/6 Seat Night Bomber)

(3) Arado Ar-68 (German Bi-Plane Fighter)

(4) Avia B-534 (Czech Bi-Plane Fighter)

(5) Blackburn Firebrand (British Carrier & Land Based Torpedo Plane & Fighter)

(6) Bloch MB. 200 (French 4 Seat Medium Bomber)

(7) Brewster F2A Buffalo (U.S. Carrier & Land Based Fighter/Bomber)

(8) Caudron C.714 Cyclone (French Interceptor Fighter)

(9) Commonwealth Boomerang (Australian Fighter/Bomber)

10) Consolidated PBY Catalina (U.S. Recon/Bomber Flying Boat)

11) Consolidated TBY Sea Wolf (U.S. 3 Seat Carrier Based Torpedo/Level Bomber)

12) Curtiss Model 77 SBC Helldiver (U.S. 2 Seat Carrier Based Scout Bomber)

13) Curtiss P-36 Mohawk (U.S. Fighter)

14) Dewoitine D.510C.1 (French Open Cockpit Monoplane Fighter)

15) Fairey Battle (British 2/3 Seat Light Day Bomber)

16) Farman F.222.2BN.5 (French 5 Seat Heavy Night Bomber)

17) Farman NC.223.3BN.5 (French 5 Seat Heavy Night Bomber)

18) Fieseler Fi-156 Storch (German 3 Seat Multi-Role Recon Plane)

19) Fieseler Fi-167 (German 2 Seat Torpedo Bomber/Recon Bi-Plane)

20) Fokker G.1 (Dutch 2/3 Seat Heavy Fighter)

21) Grumman F3F w/The Pratt & Whitney R-1535-84 Twin Wasp Junior 14-Cylinder Two-Row Radial Engine (U.S. Carrier & Land Based Bi-Plane Fighter/Bomber)

22) Grumman F3F-2 w/The Wright R-1820-22 Cyclone 9-Cylinder Single-Row Radial Engine (U.S. Carrier & Land Based Bi-Plane Fighter/Bomber)

23) Hawker Fury Mk II (British Open Cockpit Bi-Plane Fighter)

24) Heinkel He-59 (German Open Cockpit Recon/Torpedo Bomber Floatplane Bi-Plane)

25) Heinkel He-70 Blitz (3 Seat Recon Bomber)

26) Heinkel He-100D-1 (German Interceptor Fighter)

27) Heinkel He-112B-1 (German Fighter/Bomber)

28) Heinkel He-162A-2 Salamander (German Jet Interceptor Fighter)

29) Ilyushin Il-2 (Russian 2 Seat Close Support & Anti-Tank Warplane)

30) Junkers Ju-86 (German 4 Seat Medium Bomber)

31) Junkers Ju-87 Stuka (German 2 Seat Dive Bomber)

32) Martin B-10B (U.S. 4 Seat Medium Bomber)

33) Messerschmitt Me-163 Komet (German Jet Point Interceptor)

34) Mitsubishi A5M4 "Claude" (Japanese Carrier & Land Based Open Cockpit Fighter)

35) Nakajima Ki-43-IIb Hayabusa "Oscar" (Japanese Fighter/Bomber)

36) Nakajima Ki-84-1a Hayate "Frank" (Japanese Fighter/Bomber)

37) Northrop A-17 (U.S. 2 Seat Attack Warplane)

38) Northrop P-61A Black Widow (U.S. 2/3 Seat Night Fighter & Intruder)

39) PZL P.23 Karas (Polish 3 Seat Light Recon/Bomber)

40) Petlyakov Pe-2FT (Russian 3 Seat Multi-Role Attack Bomber)

41) Polikarpov I-153 (Russian Open Cockpit Bi-Plane Fighter/Bomber)

42) Rogozarski IK-3 (Yugoslavian Fighter)

43) Saab J21 (Swedish Interceptor Fighter)

44) Seversky P-35 (U.S. Fighter)

45) Short Sunderland GR.Mk V (British 10 Seat Recon Flying Boat w/13 Machine Guns - The Flying Porcupine)

46) Sukhoi Su-2 (Russian 2 Seat Light Recon/Attack Bomber)

47) Vickers Vincent (British 3 Seat General Purpose Warplane)

48) Vickers Wellesley (British 2/3 Seat General Purpose Bomber)

49) Vultee A-35B Vengeance (U.S. 2 Seat Dive Bomber & Attack Warplane)

50) Westland Whirlwind Mk IA (British Long Range Fighter/Bomber)

Metatron_123
04-17-2008, 05:14 AM
He-100 = Should have been put into service.

It would have slaughtered Spitfires.

He-162 = Cool plane, ran out of time.

No457_Stretch
04-17-2008, 06:20 AM
7) Brewster F2A Buffalo (U.S. Carrier & Land Based Fighter/Bomber) A tough little fighter that was completely outclassed by Japanese fighters of the day. A coffin to bury brave pilots in. Some sold to Finland where they performed very well from 1940 to the end of the war.

9) Commonwealth Boomerang (Australian Fighter/Bomber) Mostly forgotten, except by Australians, the CA-12/13 was born out a need for fighters and was designed, prototyped and flown in a matter of 5mths. Underpowered by standards of 1942 it was very manoeuverable and strong and could hold it's own in a fight. Used later for target marking and ground support.

15) Fairey Battle (British 2/3 Seat Light Day Bomber) Another coffin to bury brave flight crew in. Obsolete by the start of the war it was butchered by German fighters and flak in hopeless attacks to try and stem the advance of the Wermacht into France in 1940. Basic proof that the single engined light attack bomber concept was badly flawed.

18) Fieseler Fi-156 Storch (German 3 Seat Multi-Role Recon Plane) A brilliant light utility aircraft with excellent STOL capabilities. Ernst Udet hovered the prototype Storch motionless by flying into a light breeze.

38) Northrop P-61A Black Widow (U.S. 2/3 Seat Night Fighter & Intruder) The first US airctaft designed from the beginning as a nightfighter. Fast and with good maneouverability for such a large plane it saw success in both the Pacific and Europe. The father of a school mate of mine worked on a P61 base in Queensland during the war. One night in '44 4x P61 when out on patrol and 3 returned, one crew claimed to have shot down a Japanese twin engined bomber. Oops.

Cheers,

Stretch

Xiolablu3
04-17-2008, 06:28 AM
A lot of those planes are in the current IL2 sim.

SeaFireLIV
04-17-2008, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by Odin_Part_2:
Just share with me & others your viewpoints as far as their positive & negative attributes & how they fair in a fight?

Also, are any of them on any of the current sims?

Forgive me, as I have this attraction for some of the most out of this world & obscure type of airplanes.

(1) Aichi B7-A Ryusei "Grace" (Japanese 2 Seat Carrier & Land Based Torpedo Bomber)

(2) Amiot 143 (French 4/6 Seat Night Bomber)

(3) Arado Ar-68 (German Bi-Plane Fighter)

(4) Avia B-534 (Czech Bi-Plane Fighter)

(5) Blackburn Firebrand (British Carrier & Land Based Torpedo Plane & Fighter)

(6) Bloch MB. 200 (French 4 Seat Medium Bomber)

(7) Brewster F2A Buffalo (U.S. Carrier & Land Based Fighter/Bomber)

(8) Caudron C.714 Cyclone (French Interceptor Fighter)

(9) Commonwealth Boomerang (Australian Fighter/Bomber)

10) Consolidated PBY Catalina (U.S. Recon/Bomber Flying Boat)

11) Consolidated TBY Sea Wolf (U.S. 3 Seat Carrier Based Torpedo/Level Bomber)

12) Curtiss Model 77 SBC Helldiver (U.S. 2 Seat Carrier Based Scout Bomber)

13) Curtiss P-36 Mohawk (U.S. Fighter)

14) Dewoitine D.510C.1 (French Open Cockpit Monoplane Fighter)

15) Fairey Battle (British 2/3 Seat Light Day Bomber)

16) Farman F.222.2BN.5 (French 5 Seat Heavy Night Bomber)

17) Farman NC.223.3BN.5 (French 5 Seat Heavy Night Bomber)

18) Fieseler Fi-156 Storch (German 3 Seat Multi-Role Recon Plane)

19) Fieseler Fi-167 (German 2 Seat Torpedo Bomber/Recon Bi-Plane)

20) Fokker G.1 (Dutch 2/3 Seat Heavy Fighter)

21) Grumman F3F w/The Pratt & Whitney R-1535-84 Twin Wasp Junior 14-Cylinder Two-Row Radial Engine (U.S. Carrier & Land Based Bi-Plane Fighter/Bomber)

22) Grumman F3F-2 w/The Wright R-1820-22 Cyclone 9-Cylinder Single-Row Radial Engine (U.S. Carrier & Land Based Bi-Plane Fighter/Bomber)

23) Hawker Fury Mk II (British Open Cockpit Bi-Plane Fighter)

24) Heinkel He-59 (German Open Cockpit Recon/Torpedo Bomber Floatplane Bi-Plane)

25) Heinkel He-70 Blitz (3 Seat Recon Bomber)

26) Heinkel He-100D-1 (German Interceptor Fighter)

27) Heinkel He-112B-1 (German Fighter/Bomber)

28) Heinkel He-162A-2 Salamander (German Jet Interceptor Fighter)

29) Ilyushin Il-2 (Russian 2 Seat Close Support & Anti-Tank Warplane)

30) Junkers Ju-86 (German 4 Seat Medium Bomber)

31) Junkers Ju-87 Stuka (German 2 Seat Dive Bomber)

32) Martin B-10B (U.S. 4 Seat Medium Bomber)

33) Messerschmitt Me-163 Komet (German Jet Point Interceptor)

34) Mitsubishi A5M4 "Claude" (Japanese Carrier & Land Based Open Cockpit Fighter)

35) Nakajima Ki-43-IIb Hayabusa "Oscar" (Japanese Fighter/Bomber)

36) Nakajima Ki-84-1a Hayate "Frank" (Japanese Fighter/Bomber)

37) Northrop A-17 (U.S. 2 Seat Attack Warplane)

38) Northrop P-61A Black Widow (U.S. 2/3 Seat Night Fighter & Intruder)

39) PZL P.23 Karas (Polish 3 Seat Light Recon/Bomber)

40) Petlyakov Pe-2FT (Russian 3 Seat Multi-Role Attack Bomber)

41) Polikarpov I-153 (Russian Open Cockpit Bi-Plane Fighter/Bomber)

42) Rogozarski IK-3 (Yugoslavian Fighter)

43) Saab J21 (Swedish Interceptor Fighter)

44) Seversky P-35 (U.S. Fighter)

45) Short Sunderland GR.Mk V (British 10 Seat Recon Flying Boat w/13 Machine Guns - The Flying Porcupine)

46) Sukhoi Su-2 (Russian 2 Seat Light Recon/Attack Bomber)

47) Vickers Vincent (British 3 Seat General Purpose Warplane)

48) Vickers Wellesley (British 2/3 Seat General Purpose Bomber)

49) Vultee A-35B Vengeance (U.S. 2 Seat Dive Bomber & Attack Warplane)

50) Westland Whirlwind Mk IA (British Long Range Fighter/Bomber)

I think you must be having a joke. You really expect us to go through every one of these aircraft and tell you their pros and cons? Methinks you ask too much.

Why not just test the ones that are in the sim or do some of your own research?

Odin_Part_2
04-17-2008, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:

I think you must be having a joke. You really expect us to go through every one of these aircraft and tell you their pros and cons? Methinks you ask too much.

Why not just test the ones that are in the sim or do some of your own research?

But I can't play the game & test the sims myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif As my computer is not good or big enough to handle the downloading of the game itself.

As for doing my own research goes, I have my opinions & now I seek others.

You don't have to hit each one if you don't want too, just hit on the ones that "Speak" to you the most.

cawimmer430
04-17-2008, 10:14 AM
33) Messerschmitt Me-163 Komet (German Jet Point Interceptor)


Fun to fly - when everything worked. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

na85
04-17-2008, 11:00 AM
The storch is a fabulous aircraft.

DKoor
04-17-2008, 06:03 PM
He-162A-2 Salamander (German Jet Interceptor Fighter) That one pwns all above.

TinyTim
04-18-2008, 06:24 AM
B7A ryusei ("Grace") - the best (carrier based - at least) dive/torpedo bomber of WW2 IMO. As fast as fighters, range as bombers, 2 20mm type 99-m2 cannons firing forward. Impressive machine. What a fortune IJN had no more carriers from which they could strike USN with these planes in 45. Hellcats woulda have a lot of trouble intercepting them IMO - they were already having problems catching older recconaissance C6N Saiuns. Internal bomb bay on B7A ment that plane had much less speed penalty when bomb laden - but then again, if necessary, Bearcats would probably come to scene to help save the day.

[img]http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/japan/aichi_ryusei-s.gif

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/japan/aichi_b7a.jpg

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/aichib7.jpg

http://shrani.si/f/47/ut/1Jdfzhkg/airb7a4.jpg

Kocur_
04-18-2008, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by TinyTim:
B7A ryusei ("Grace") - the best (carrier based - at least) dive/torpedo bomber of WW2 IMO. As fast as fighters(...)

The point is: as what fighters? Perhaps as most of Japanese (highest figure I see for B7A top speed is 570 km/h, probably at some 5-6 km), but surely not as US fighters which it could meet in combat.

TinyTim
04-18-2008, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by Kocur_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TinyTim:
B7A ryusei ("Grace") - the best (carrier based - at least) dive/torpedo bomber of WW2 IMO. As fast as fighters(...)

The point is: as what fighters? Perhaps as most of Japanese (highest figure I see for B7A top speed is 570 km/h, probably at some 5-6 km), but surely not as US fighters which it could meet in combat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure, but 570 kph top speed is closer to fighter speed figure than bomber one. An incoming bomber formation with speed of 570kph at 6km alt would pose a formidable target to intercept for any WW2 fighter type (IMHO), especially carrier based due to late warning.

Maybe hard to compare, but didn't Russians estimate that in order to be able to succsessfuly intercept German hit and run 190 JABOs, their interceptors should have about 100kph higher top speed?

Jaws2002
04-18-2008, 12:56 PM
You are throwing in a list of 50 ww2 aircraft and don't list the IAR-80/81!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


That's heresy!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gifhttp://svsl1.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/furious.gif http://svsl1.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/furious.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Let's hope you missed it by mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Odin_Part_2
04-18-2008, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
You are throwing in a list of 50 ww2 aircraft and don't list the IAR-80/81!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

That's heresy!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gifhttp://svsl1.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/furious.gif http://svsl1.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/furious.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Let's hope you missed it by mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You Mean This Bad Boy?????

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/Odin1964/iar81.jpg

Sorry Doode, but I don't know anything about it.

Taylortony
04-18-2008, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by No457_Stretch:


18) Fieseler Fi-156 Storch (German 3 Seat Multi-Role Recon Plane) A brilliant light utility aircraft with excellent STOL capabilities. Ernst Udet hovered the prototype Storch motionless by flying into a light breeze.


Cheers,

Stretch

It also won the fly offs against a helicopter.

Austers party trick was to take off into wind then be blown back down the length of the runway and then land back on the runway it had just left.

Aaron_GT
04-20-2008, 04:03 PM
Was it Austers that could also use the wire launch/pickup system for ships? It might not have been Auster, but was in a copy of Aeroplane a while back.

DIRTY-MAC
04-20-2008, 05:09 PM
You Mean This Bad Boy?????

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/Odin1964/iar81.jpg

Sorry Doode, but I don't know anything about it.[/QUOTE]


Its probably my favourite ride, The IAR 81C
Is probably the best hi angle deflection shooter in the game, just love the guns on it, and you have lots of ammo, It also turns very well, I think its better than the Bf109E, It is as fast, has better firepower and ammo load, and turns better

jarink
04-20-2008, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Odin_Part_2:
Also, are any of them on any of the current sims?

Not in the IL2 series:
(1) Aichi B7-A Ryusei "Grace" (Japanese 2 Seat Carrier & Land Based Torpedo Bomber)

(2) Amiot 143 (French 4/6 Seat Night Bomber)

(3) Arado Ar-68 (German Bi-Plane Fighter)

(4) Avia B-534 (Czech Bi-Plane Fighter)

(5) Blackburn Firebrand (British Carrier & Land Based Torpedo Plane & Fighter)

(6) Bloch MB. 200 (French 4 Seat Medium Bomber)

(8) Caudron C.714 Cyclone (French Interceptor Fighter)

(9) Commonwealth Boomerang (Australian Fighter/Bomber)

11) Consolidated TBY Sea Wolf (U.S. 3 Seat Carrier Based Torpedo/Level Bomber)

13) Curtiss P-36 Mohawk (U.S. Fighter)

14) Dewoitine D.510C.1 (French Open Cockpit Monoplane Fighter)

15) Fairey Battle (British 2/3 Seat Light Day Bomber)

16) Farman F.222.2BN.5 (French 5 Seat Heavy Night Bomber)

17) Farman NC.223.3BN.5 (French 5 Seat Heavy Night Bomber)

19) Fieseler Fi-167 (German 2 Seat Torpedo Bomber/Recon Bi-Plane)

20) Fokker G.1 (Dutch 2/3 Seat Heavy Fighter)

21) Grumman F3F w/The Pratt & Whitney R-1535-84 Twin Wasp Junior 14-Cylinder Two-Row Radial Engine (U.S. Carrier & Land Based Bi-Plane Fighter/Bomber)

22) Grumman F3F-2 w/The Wright R-1820-22 Cyclone 9-Cylinder Single-Row Radial Engine (U.S. Carrier & Land Based Bi-Plane Fighter/Bomber)

23) Hawker Fury Mk II (British Open Cockpit Bi-Plane Fighter)

24) Heinkel He-59 (German Open Cockpit Recon/Torpedo Bomber Floatplane Bi-Plane)

25) Heinkel He-70 Blitz (3 Seat Recon Bomber)

26) Heinkel He-100D-1 (German Interceptor Fighter)

27) Heinkel He-112B-1 (German Fighter/Bomber)

30) Junkers Ju-86 (German 4 Seat Medium Bomber)

32) Martin B-10B (U.S. 4 Seat Medium Bomber)

37) Northrop A-17 (U.S. 2 Seat Attack Warplane)

38) Northrop P-61A Black Widow (U.S. 2/3 Seat Night Fighter & Intruder)

39) PZL P.23 Karas (Polish 3 Seat Light Recon/Bomber)

42) Rogozarski IK-3 (Yugoslavian Fighter)

43) Saab J21 (Swedish Interceptor Fighter)

44) Seversky P-35 (U.S. Fighter)

45) Short Sunderland GR.Mk V (British 10 Seat Recon Flying Boat w/13 Machine Guns - The Flying Porcupine)

47) Vickers Vincent (British 3 Seat General Purpose Warplane)

48) Vickers Wellesley (British 2/3 Seat General Purpose Bomber)

49) Vultee A-35B Vengeance (U.S. 2 Seat Dive Bomber & Attack Warplane)

50) Westland Whirlwind Mk IA (British Long Range Fighter/Bomber)

36 of the 50 therefore are either:
a) Insignificant
b) Unpopular
c) Unmarketable
d) Too good (would create an imbalance of play)
e) Owned by Northrop-Grumman

Aaron_GT
04-21-2008, 05:37 PM
By what criteria are we to compare them? If on creature comforts then it has to be the Sunderland - 6 bunks, a kitchen with stove and a proper flush toilet!

Odin_Part_2
04-21-2008, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by jarink:

36 of the 50 therefore are either:
a) Insignificant
b) Unpopular
c) Unmarketable
d) Too good (would create an imbalance of play)
e) Owned by Northrop-Grumman

So which ones of the 36 that are not in the sims, would be considered too good for there to be an imbalance of play?

ImpStarDuece
04-21-2008, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Metatron_123:
He-100 = Should have been put into service.

It would have slaughtered Spitfires.


Given that its estimated that it would of cost about 2 1/2 times what a Bf 109 did, and took more than twice the man hours to assemble, there would been far fewer He-100s than 109s. Would the Luftwaffe be as menacing with 500 single engine fighters, instead of 1,000?

This is also not withstanding the fact that it couldn't of entered mass production until mid 1939, probably later, and that Bf 109 and 110 production were consuming all DB601 engines.

V4, the He-100 production prototype, wasn't completed until mid 1938, but it suffered a series of early accidents, and didn't get back into the air until October, after which it suffered a gear failure (while on the ground nonetheless) and was grounded until Mar 1939. The armed prototype didn't fly until May 1939.

Then there was the problems with the evaporative and retractable cooling systems, the inevitable weight creep from military equipment, the poorly designed landing gear, ect, ect, that needed to be resolved to turn it into a useful fighter.

Hkuusela
04-22-2008, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by No457_Stretch:
7) Brewster F2A Buffalo (U.S. Carrier & Land Based Fighter/Bomber) A tough little fighter that was completely outclassed by Japanese fighters of the day. A coffin to bury brave pilots in. Some sold to Finland where they performed very well from 1940 to the end of the war.
A little correction: The Brewster performed very well in the beginning of the war, the 24th Fighter Squadron scoring some 460 kills with the type. But by -43 the Brewster was completely outclassed by Western and Russian fighters. It was so slow that the Finnish pilots cursed you "couldn't even run away". After the FAF received the 109's in -43 and -44, the Brewster no longer performed as a first string fighter.

Kurfurst__
04-23-2008, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Metatron_123:
He-100 = Should have been put into service.

It would have slaughtered Spitfires.


Given that its estimated that it would of cost about 2 1/2 times what a Bf 109 did, and took more than twice the man hours to assemble, there would been far fewer He-100s than 109s. Would the Luftwaffe be as menacing with 500 single engine fighters, instead of 1,000?

This is also not withstanding the fact that it couldn't of entered mass production until mid 1939, probably later, and that Bf 109 and 110 production were consuming all DB601 engines.

V4, the He-100 production prototype, wasn't completed until mid 1938, but it suffered a series of early accidents, and didn't get back into the air until October, after which it suffered a gear failure (while on the ground nonetheless) and was grounded until Mar 1939. The armed prototype didn't fly until May 1939.

Then there was the problems with the evaporative and retractable cooling systems, the inevitable weight creep from military equipment, the poorly designed landing gear, ect, ect, that needed to be resolved to turn it into a useful fighter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

... add to that the armed 109E prototype was flying by spring 1938 and was in production by the thethe fall of `38, in service by early 1939, and had the same performance as the He 100..

Herr Professor Heinkel simply missed that train.

Don_X
04-23-2008, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by Odin_Part_2:


But I can't play the game & test the sims myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif As my computer is not good or big enough to handle the downloading of the game itself.



Why Download when you can order the DVD ????

Is Your PC spec good enough to run it?

Odin_Part_2
04-23-2008, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Don_X:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Odin_Part_2:


But I can't play the game & test the sims myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif As my computer is not good or big enough to handle the downloading of the game itself.



Why Download when you can order the DVD ????

Is Your PC spec good enough to run it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, and that has been discussed already.

Mr. H.H. Quazi sent me the IL-2 1946 version in the mail & when it got here I discovered it was too much for my puter to handle.

THANKS Quazi.

It's a Conspiratorial Plot I tell ya. They are all afraid of My Abilities because of My Godly Name.

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Jaws2002
04-23-2008, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Odin_Part_2:

It's a Conspiratorial Plot I tell ya. They are all afraid of My Abilities because of My Godly Name.

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LEBillfish
04-23-2008, 12:13 PM
You missed the best one, the Kawasaki Ki-61-I....Clearly you're reading the wrong book. Close this book and never open it again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Xiolablu3
04-23-2008, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Metatron_123:
He-100 = Should have been put into service.

It would have slaughtered Spitfires.


Given that its estimated that it would of cost about 2 1/2 times what a Bf 109 did, and took more than twice the man hours to assemble, there would been far fewer He-100s than 109s. Would the Luftwaffe be as menacing with 500 single engine fighters, instead of 1,000?

This is also not withstanding the fact that it couldn't of entered mass production until mid 1939, probably later, and that Bf 109 and 110 production were consuming all DB601 engines.

V4, the He-100 production prototype, wasn't completed until mid 1938, but it suffered a series of early accidents, and didn't get back into the air until October, after which it suffered a gear failure (while on the ground nonetheless) and was grounded until Mar 1939. The armed prototype didn't fly until May 1939.

Then there was the problems with the evaporative and retractable cooling systems, the inevitable weight creep from military equipment, the poorly designed landing gear, ect, ect, that needed to be resolved to turn it into a useful fighter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

... add to that the armed 109E prototype was flying by spring 1938 and was in production by the thethe fall of `38, in service by early 1939, and had the same performance as the He 100..

Herr Professor Heinkel simply missed that train. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, its based a little on feeling' and a little on actual reading, but I cant help but think that there is a bit of exaggeration in the 'He100 was uber' argument.

The Bf109 was the best fighter in the world in 1939, so the Bf109 was 'uber' in itself.

From its introduction into service until 1941, the Bf109 was either THE best or joint best with the Spitfire and the Zero at that time. I cannot believe that the He100 could have been significantly better.

Its larger wing would maybe have meant more manouverability, like the Spitfire or Zero, but with this comes a reduction in top speed and dive rate. The Bf109's small low-drag wing was actually a benefit in many situations, such as dive, and top speed.

The He100 may have been an excellent fighter, but the Bf109 was ALREADY an outstanding fighter and was always among the top three in the world up until mid 1942, often THE very best.

Odin_Part_2
04-23-2008, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
You missed the best one, the Kawasaki Ki-61-I....Clearly you're reading the wrong book. Close this book and never open it again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

K2

Ah yes The Hien (or) "Tony". Nope, didn't miss it, I just iddn't look upon it as an ODD plane to have in a simulator. i have however always liked it, as it does resemble a cross matching between an Me-109/Spitfire/Hurricane/P-40 & P-51 all rolled into together.

Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien "Tony"

Japanese Single Seat Fighter

One 1,175 Horsepower (876 kW "Kilowatt?") Kawasaki Ha-40 (Army Type 2) 12 Cylinder Inverted-Vee Engine

Maximum Speed of 592 Kilometers Per Hour (or) 368 Miles Per Hour

Climbing Speed Up To 5,000 Meters (or) 16,405' Feet in 5 Minutes & 11 seconds

Service Ceiling of 11,600 Meters (or) 37,730' Feet

Range of 1,100 Kilometers (or) 684 Miles

Empty Weight of 2,210 Kilograms (or) 4,872 Pounds

Normal Take-Off Weight of 2,950 Kilograms (or) 6,504 Pounds

Maximum Take-Off Weight of 3,250 Kilograms (or) 7,165 Pounds

Wing Span of 12.00 Meters (or) 39' Feet, 4-1/4" Inches

Fuselage Length of 8.75 Meters (or) 28' Feet, 8-1/2" Inches

Plane Height of 3.70 Meters (or) 12' Feet, 1-3/4" Inches

Armed w/2-12.7mm (.50 Caliber) Fixed Forward Firing Machine Guns in The Upper Part of The Fuselage & 2-12.7mm (.50 Caliber) Fixed Forward Firing Machine Guns in The Leading Edges of The Wings.

Wait a minute. Is that right? It only had 4 Japanese 50's total?????