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fast3kgt
04-04-2008, 10:28 AM
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/ace-edge-stick-for-ace-combat-6-on-xbox-360.jpg

HAWX needs to support this controller! I have the Ace Edge Flight Stick and I wouldn't think of playing Ace Combat or any other flying game without it. This is a make it or break it detail for me. Please Ubisoft, support this controller!

HEAT.GRLSOV
04-04-2008, 11:10 AM
It's almost a copy of Saitek's X-45 HOTAS...
Colourful buttons...sorry for my ignorance, but is this a joystick for Xbox?

alexm105
04-04-2008, 11:13 AM
I hope they support that AND come out with their own flight stick for the people who didn't buy AC6.

Yes, it's for the Xbox 360.

HEAT.GRLSOV
04-04-2008, 11:16 AM
Yes, it's for the Xbox 360.

Thanks for the clarification. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
It sure looks...Xboxy :P

CrazySunDog
04-04-2008, 10:50 PM
I just want to use my Saitek X52 and my TrackIR4!!!

HEAT.GRLSOV
04-05-2008, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by CrazySunDog:
I just want to use my Saitek X52 and my TrackIR4!!!

I'd like TrackIR support in the game as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

xxsteepxx
04-05-2008, 12:46 PM
Agree, UBI should have the Ace Edge Flight Stick as an option of the controller types. They should also contract with Hori to make the Flight Stick to sell with this game like Namco Bandai did for Ace Combat 6.

The flight stick makes the game much more realistic and gives the player better gaming.

Xx_RTEK_xX
04-05-2008, 03:28 PM
I hope they let us use it. Over G is fun, it just sucks having to use the controller.

HALVA_01
04-10-2008, 05:22 AM
I think we have no Problems with our X-52 or Pro (mine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif) on the PC Version

CrazySunDog
04-10-2008, 07:53 AM
Hey, they makes me wonder, if this is a 'Game for Windows' will we be able to play cross-platform? ie- PC vs. Xbox

Steiner
04-10-2008, 10:49 AM
It seems that Ubisoft Bucharest/Romania is also a distributor of Guillemot products, PC and console accessories from Thrustmaster® and hardware from Hercules®. This would put them in direct competition with the flight stick products of Hori and Saitek, ...food for thought.
Maybe they'll produce a flight controller similar to the Thrustmaster Afterburner II HOTAS for this game that will be compatible with both PC and Xbox 360.
Thrustmaster has already released a USB Top Gun Fox 2 Pro like flight stick specifically for the PlayStation 3.


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Xx_RTEK_xX
04-10-2008, 12:51 PM
That would be cool if they came out with a flight stick for the 360 that would be far better than the AC6 one.

Onder16
04-10-2008, 03:17 PM
Doubt it, they would make their own one but not use another games controller/joystick or whatever you want to call it, but it would make it more "realistic", and it is only for the Xbox, that sucks they should make one for the PS3 too, or just make a new one, and the Design a colours of that thing looks nasty!
HAWX looks cooler on colour.

apitman
04-18-2008, 01:28 PM
I would like to add my voice to havint HAWX supporting this stick. I know they are in competition and all that, but it seems to me that it would be all positive for customers and therefore the company to support this stick.

I already have it for my xbox and would not be happy if they figured I would shell out another $150 for a new stick when I already have this one.

Good customer service always translates into sales in the end.

apitman
04-18-2008, 01:32 PM
I also forgot to add I wouldn't care if they also made their own stick as well. Just use the same mapping or whatever they need to do so that HAWX will work with the AC6 stick and whatever they want to produce.

RockBand did this, but Guitar Hero didn't. I can use by Guitar Hero guitar on rock band but not the other way around. Right away I am bias against guitar hero. I don't play it at all because I like to play the games with my kids.

I play Rock Band a ton and am downloading new songs all the time for it. I don't touch guitar hero.

HAWX could be the same way. Maybe they make a better stick, but still make it work with AC6 stick as well. Just seems like good service to me.

If they didn't then they might make _some_ extra sales from those who will buy 2 sticks, but I know I would have a hard time doing that and you know there would be a _ton_ of upset potential customers.

societysfault
04-18-2008, 04:16 PM
yeah, theres really no good reason why they wouldnt make it compatible with the ace edge. They know that the consumer wants it. the only thing is they want more money more money more money. it will be a real slap to the face of consumers if they dont make it compatible.

apitman, you should know that activision submitted the patch to allow the rock band guitar to work on guitar hero months ago, but EA has stopped it from being implemented somehow. thats what the big dispute is about.

personally i think guitar hero is better. better music, and its just more fluid and enjoyable to me. Rock band just seems like they dug up the absolute cheapest songs they possibly could. you could go to any karaoke bar and find all of the songs in rock band there to sing to. the point is those songs have all been *****d out so much they are dirt cheap to license.
not to mention, the faulty equipment that EA shipped out when rock band came out. i dont know about you, but when i bought mine, the guitar broke in two hours, and it took months to replace. that happened to tens of thousands of people. EA is a horrible company with a long record of poor service and support.

DGTP430
04-18-2008, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by apitman:
I also forgot to add I wouldn't care if they also made their own stick as well. Just use the same mapping or whatever they need to do so that HAWX will work with the AC6 stick and whatever they want to produce.

RockBand did this, but Guitar Hero didn't. I can use by Guitar Hero guitar on rock band but not the other way around. Right away I am bias against guitar hero. I don't play it at all because I like to play the games with my kids.

I play Rock Band a ton and am downloading new songs all the time for it. I don't touch guitar hero.

HAWX could be the same way. Maybe they make a better stick, but still make it work with AC6 stick as well. Just seems like good service to me.

If they didn't then they might make _some_ extra sales from those who will buy 2 sticks, but I know I would have a hard time doing that and you know there would be a _ton_ of upset potential customers.

I think Ubi would accept making their control stick compatible, but what about the control configuration? What if A was launch rocket in HAWX, but machinegun in AC?

apitman
04-19-2008, 10:16 AM
>>>>>>>>
I think Ubi would accept making their control stick compatible, but what about the control configuration? What if A was launch rocket in HAWX, but machinegun in AC?
<<<<<<<

That is exactly what I am talking about. Since they are still making the game (and possibly the controller) they should be able to do that mapping now so that they match the AC6 controller.

The other thing to keep in mind is that each device plugged into the xBox can be identified for what it is. This is the same as on a PC.

If they organize the game correctly they just make a mapping layer in between the devices and the actual game. Then they detect what controller is plugged in and the mapping layer takes care of the rest.

If you can't tell I am a software engineer and have done this kind of thing for many years.

DGTP430
04-20-2008, 05:38 AM
What if Ubi doesn't like to copy the controls of AC for competitive reasons?

apitman
04-21-2008, 10:13 AM
If I understand your comment, I think you are saying that they might not want to copy AC so that others can't use the AC joystick on purpose so that they can sell their own, right? My comment is based on that being what you meant so if I am wrong then this comment probably isn't right.

This is my whole point. If you look at the number of products over the years that have gone the proprietary route they tend to be less popular in the end.

The number of sales that you get with the whole proprietary bundle and the extra money that you make on the custom joystick is far out weight by the number of additional copies of the game that you sale if you make a compatible game.

Using some fake and exagerated numbers to make my point it might look something like this:

If the HAWK bundle with a new joystick cost $75 to make and sold for $150 and the game itself cost $5 for the DVD and case etc, but sales for $60.

So if they went proprietary and sold 100 bundles, but lost another 50 sales because the AC owners didn't want to buy the game. Lets also say that of the 100 sales, 25 of them also owned AC, but were willing to buy another joystick because they wanted the game anyway. If that was the case then they would have sales of $15,000 at a cost of $7,500. That is a profit of $7,500.

Now lets say instead they did make it compatible with the AC joystick. Using the same customers above that would be 75 bundles sales and 75 game only sales.

This turns into $11250 bundle sales at a cost of $5625 and $4500 game only sales at a cost of $375. This is a profit of $10875.

As you can see you make more money when you sale only the game. It is also MUCH easier to spend $60 than $150.

My number above are all fake, but I think they concept of selling more game only makes sense.

Then there is the perception. This has a value all its own and I think it is bigger than most people think. Generally speaking when you make something proprietary and piss of people because it doesn't work it is a bad thing in the end.

pussErox
05-31-2008, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by fast3kgt:
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/ace-edge-stick-for-ace-combat-6-on-xbox-360.jpg

HAWX needs to support this controller! I have the Ace Edge Flight Stick and I wouldn't think of playing Ace Combat or any other flying game without it. This is a make it or break it detail for me. Please Ubisoft, support this controller!
+1

RawKryptonite
05-31-2008, 08:55 AM
They did say the game will support that controller, and there's word that they may offer their own as well.

apitman
05-31-2008, 09:49 AM
When you say they said they would support the AC6 joystick, where did you get that information? I can't find anything in the offical news. I would love to see that they really.

Steiner
05-31-2008, 10:07 AM
Here's an excerpt from an IGN article concerning the use of flightsticks in HAWK.
In case you didn't know the CEO of Ubisoft is a guy by the name of Guillemot, he and his four brothers are also the owners of Thrustmaster (www.guillemot.com), ...so, quess what? <(read last paragraph)


HAWX Hands-On

by Hilary Goldstein

May 26, 2008 -

Coming this September to PC, PS3 and Xbox 360, HAWX offers up intense -- and often deadly -- dogfights and a true challenge for those wishing to prove themselves to be Top Gun material. Using GOI satellite data, Ubisoft is able to ensure the areas you fly over are the real deal. When we took to the skies to battle an onslaught of MIGs in Rio De Janeiro, the entire topography was exact to the real life locale. And yes, even the famed statue of Jesus was standing, arms outstretched, at the mountain top. And no, we did not try and shoot it down. Ubisoft describes the use of GOI data as "flying over Google Earth on crack." We're inclined to agree.

We played our first HAWX mission using a standard controller. For 360 owners, the Ace Combat flight stick will work with HAWX and most standard PC flight sticks should be compatible for those who own a computer. If you don't have a flight stick yet, don't worry. Ubisoft is working to release a proprietary stick for PC, PS3 and Xbox 360 in time for HAWX's launch.

LINK
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/876/876532p1.html

NYANG_105th
05-31-2008, 02:07 PM
Am I the only one who think this game is gonna rock? I mean the graphics are awesome it looks 100x better than Ace Combat 5. I hope it has realism like red and black outs.......

I could care less about having a cockpit and a thirdperson view.... I mean look at the Ace Combats they had both veiws and you didn't have to use them. I think this game is gonna rock. I hope it works awesome with my Saitek X52 pro when i buy it....

Brettzies
05-31-2008, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by NYANG_105th:
Am I the only one who think this game is gonna rock? I mean the graphics are awesome it looks 100x better than Ace Combat 5. I hope it has realism like red and black outs.......
....
While I don't think it will suck, the only thing that doesn't sound cheesy are the graphics and the actual planes. Private Militaries, you play an ex-AirForce pilot gone Merc yet have access to the best planes? It just all sounds so corny to me.

Most likely I will play it, but I'm tired of Ubi's "future wars." First GRAW now this and End War? Bleh. Near future is not so interesting as the present. I think they are afraid of basing their games in reality or real world conflicts, or making them too similar to what's happening now. "Dont' piss anyone off" type of thing.

Anyway, I think a more interesting alternate reality would have been an air war in the present day with an East(Russia, China, N.Korea) vs West(US, Europe, NATO) as if the arms race of 80's sort of kept going unofficially and finally errupted.

Red Storm Rising had the best descriptions of massive air war. I wonder how many of the designers at UBI have actually read Tom Clancy's books.

I can't judge it too harshly because it's not even out yet, but it just sounds so corn ball to me when they try to base it in reality but come up with bogus ****. Air Power is probalby the most expensive assest to maintain. Saddam didn't even want to risk using his Mig29s in the first Gulf War.

Snakez1165
06-01-2008, 02:07 PM
They're going to have to support some type of joy stick. Like they're playing the simulation angle and it wouldn't be a simulation without a joystick!

RawKryptonite
06-01-2008, 03:48 PM
It's far from a sim, but they mentioned in that above mentioned IGN article that the AC6 stick will work. Will be interesting to see what their own stick set will be like.

It's also mentioned in a dev interview video:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/34650.html

Tr1cky49
06-20-2008, 03:13 PM
Heh - interesting that you all think Ubisoft will produce their own stick when they're not a hardware manufacturer. What makes you think the obvious companies like Saitek, Logitech or Thrustmaster aren't going to do something?

Steiner
09-19-2008, 09:25 AM
Ubisoft and Thrustmaster are owned by the same family...

http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=149

jasonwalker1983
09-19-2008, 11:55 PM
Well, if the XBOX AC6 controller is gonna work, then those of us who have AC5 bundles from PS2's should work, too I would think. They're basically identical to the XBOX set up (USB 2.0), and I've played AC5 & ACZero on my PS3, and used that flight stick no problem.

mrsmith45
03-02-2009, 10:42 AM
hi guys which is the best flight stick to use for this game as i have seen a few like the thrustmaster or the saitek aviator any thoughts would be heplfull this is for ps3

zorgen123
02-05-2011, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by fast3kgt:
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/ace-edge-stick-for-ace-combat-6-on-xbox-360.jpg

HAWX needs to support this controller! I have the Ace Edge Flight Stick and I wouldn't think of playing Ace Combat or any other flying game without it. This is a make it or break it detail for me. Please Ubisoft, support this controller!

Hey, I have that flight controller. Its in perfect condition but I am missing the little connector that converts the circular connector from the ACE-EDGE to the XBOX360. Do you or does anyone know where I can find that little cable adapter? I was looking at the picture you supplied and I see it's just a little short adapter. Any help would be very much appreciated!

Garm16
02-05-2011, 05:49 PM
FYI...
it's the same as those old mouse that used the same circular connector

you can find the adaptor easily